C********4 发帖数: 308 | 1 @新药研发观察
史上最苦B 的生物学家:Douglas Prasher 号称最先发现绿色荧光蛋白(GFP),但是不
但没有得到诺贝尔奖,反而经历多次换实验室和下岗,最终离开科学领域,成了汽车司
机。最新进展:在61岁又回实验室做实验了。 http://t.cn/zYl8TMG 这是作为好消息来报导的,请勿做为反面宣传材料。
不知道钱永健给他什么title? 61岁的老博后??
What Ever Happened to Douglas Prasher?
The first researcher to clone the gene for green fluorescent protein, but
who was passed over for the 2008 Nobel Prize in Chemistry, is back in
academic science.
By Bob Grant | February 26, 2013
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e*******o 发帖数: 4654 | 4 说Douglas C. Prasher 达到了诺奖水平,没有人会质疑吧。
Chalfie said of Prasher's contribution:
"(Douglas Prasher's) work was critical and essential for the work we did in
our lab. They could've easily given the prize to Douglas and the other two
and left me out."[13]
然并卵,找个工作都难。要是别的行业,各大公司争着养你。参考,某个领域的图灵奖。
根源就是生物领域Douglas C. Prasher 这个水平的一堆一堆,廉价,干活又快又好,
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e****e 发帖数: 2740 | 5 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: qianluludna (luluqian), 信区: Biology
标 题: Prasher还真的去开出租了啊
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Feb 27 14:25:04 2013, 美东)
这哥们真是倒霉透顶了:
Prasher reported that he was unable to find a job in science, his life
savings had run out and that he was working as a courtesy shuttle bus driver
for Bill Penney Toyota in Huntsville, Alabama at $8.50 an hour. In the NPR
broadcast, one of his former colleagues called Prasher's current situation a
"staggering waste of talent." Prasher has stated his w... 阅读全帖 |
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q*********a 发帖数: 300 | 6 这哥们真是倒霉透顶了:
Prasher reported that he was unable to find a job in science, his life
savings had run out and that he was working as a courtesy shuttle bus driver
for Bill Penney Toyota in Huntsville, Alabama at $8.50 an hour. In the NPR
broadcast, one of his former colleagues called Prasher's current situation a
"staggering waste of talent." Prasher has stated his wish to resume a
career in science, but not particularly with jellyfish.[5] He has publicly
expressed his pleasure at learning of the a... 阅读全帖 |
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i******e 发帖数: 1811 | 7 Career
Prasher received his Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the Ohio State University in
1979. From 1979 to 1983, he worked in genetics and biochemistry research at
the University of Georgia, where he identified aequorin.[1] He then joined
the Biology Department of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods
Hole, Massachusetts where he studied bioluminescence. In 1988, he received a
three-year, $200,000 grant from the American Cancer Society to try to clone
the gene for green fluorescent protein |
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F****r 发帖数: 345 | 8 Thanks OP for posting this article!
I remember hearing the story from NPR about two years ago in my car. Dr.
Prasher is probably the world's most underpaid shuttle bus driver. It's like
you bought a megamillions lottery ticket, gave it to some unknown folks,
and they won. Just feel pity for his unfortunate academic adventure. He
himself probably got over the missed-out success and fame long time ago, but
it is still sad to see a great scientific mind mistreated by life.
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z*h 发帖数: 773 | 9 He is unlucky in his career pathway but is lucky in initiating an important
discovery. The Nobel Prize now is like a lottery award. So many talented
persons are working on every possible direction. Lucky one will get the
honor. Some top scientists without Nobel Prize have made more contribution
than Nobel Prize Winners.
If Prasher realized how important his discovery will be, he would have
received his honor that he deserved. But he did not have such luck or vision
at that time. |
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w********h 发帖数: 12367 | 10 Geez...another Akron native!
Prasher was born into a working-class family in Akron, Ohio, where his
father and maternal grandfather worked at the Goodyear tire factory. He too
worked at the factory for a summer during college; the experience was enough
for him to realize that he was not cut out for a blue-collar job. He ended
up earning a Ph.D. in biochemistry from Ohio State University, guided by
nothing more than a general interest in the life sciences. “I didn’t know
what else to study,” he t... 阅读全帖 |
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r*s 发帖数: 2555 | 11 On the morning of October 8, 2008, as he was fixing breakfast, Prasher heard
news of the Nobel on the kitchen radio. His first reaction was to call the
local radio station to tell them to correct the newscaster’s pronunciation
of “Tsien.” Then he put on his Penney uniform, went in to work, and took
his regular place behind the wheel of the courtesy shuttle. |
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 12 Douglas Prasher
Biological research scientist looking for new opportunites.
Staff Research Associate
University of California, San Diego
2012 – June 2015 (3 years)La Jolla, CA
Roger Tsien没继续让他待在他的Lab了? |
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a****y 发帖数: 1035 | 13 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: yuuli (听,...听), 信区: Biology
标 题: Prasher没有得诺贝尔奖的原因
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 9 18:25:02 2008), 转信
大概因为他现在是汽车推销员。太惨了。
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=95545761
The Nobel Prize in chemistry was awarded this week to three scientists worki
ng in the United States with a jellyfish protein that glows in the dark. But
the scientist who found the gene for that protein, and gave it to the event
ual Nobel winners, is no longer working in the field. He now d |
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m*********D 发帖数: 1727 | 14 RIP.
钱先生这一走,我最担心的是那个Prasher的饭碗了:
(Zt from WiKi)
Career[edit]
Prasher received his Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the Ohio State University in
1979. From 1979 to 1983, he worked in genetics and biochemistry research at
the University of Georgia, where he identified the gene sequence for
aequorin [1] .[4] He then joined the Biology Department of the Woods Hole
Oceanographic Institution, Woods Hole, Massachusetts where he studied
bioluminescence. In 1988, he received a two-year, $200,000 grant from the... 阅读全帖 |
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c********n 发帖数: 225 | 15 谈谈和蛋白打交道的日子 (三)
第三篇 选择的勇气 - Leaving Science?
看了Leon Avery的宣言“Leaving Science”,真为他感到轻松。虽然不同意他的做法
,但还是佩服他的勇气。如果对一件事情已经失去了兴趣,并总在自我怀疑而又觉得
forever trapped了的时候,再怎么做都会让自己很纠结而痛苦。对于自己和周围的人
都不是件好事,那还不如快刀斩乱麻的放下。感觉他不是“leaving science”, 而是
放弃一种他不喜欢的life style。祝福他吧。
勇气大多数时候,不在于冒多大的风险去做一件什么惊天动地的大事,而是长期的坚持
做一些小事,或是学会适时的放下。生物或者任何一个其他行当, 对勇气的需求在本
质上其实很相似的。我们做实验的时候,如果发现结果和自己的初始设想大相径庭,不
也是需要勇气去放弃自己最初的理论而总结出新的方向的吗? 特别是如果这个理论是
出于自己的老板或者业界大师的时候。坚持或放弃,无论如何选择都需要勇气。
最近和实验室的科研人员打交道比较多,感受到了生物领域找工作人群在这一个时代浪
潮里的struggles。一个人... 阅读全帖 |
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c********n 发帖数: 225 | 16 谈谈和蛋白打交道的日子 (三)
第三篇 选择的勇气 - Leaving Science?
看了Leon Avery的宣言“Leaving Science”,真为他感到轻松。虽然不同意他的做法
,但还是佩服他的勇气。如果对一件事情已经失去了兴趣,并总在自我怀疑而又觉得
forever trapped了的时候,再怎么做都会让自己很纠结而痛苦。对于自己和周围的人
都不是件好事,那还不如快刀斩乱麻的放下。感觉他不是“leaving science”, 而是
放弃一种他不喜欢的life style。祝福他吧。
勇气大多数时候,不在于冒多大的风险去做一件什么惊天动地的大事,而是长期的坚持
做一些小事,或是学会适时的放下。生物或者任何一个其他行当, 对勇气的需求在本
质上其实很相似的。我们做实验的时候,如果发现结果和自己的初始设想大相径庭,不
也是需要勇气去放弃自己最初的理论而总结出新的方向的吗? 特别是如果这个理论是
出于自己的老板或者业界大师的时候。坚持或放弃,无论如何选择都需要勇气。
最近和实验室的科研人员打交道比较多,感受到了生物领域找工作人群在这一个时代浪
潮里的struggles。一个人... 阅读全帖 |
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O*****t 发帖数: 533 | 17 This is a old but very interesting story.
The side of the story I heard is that the GFP cloned by Prasher did not emit
fluorescence as it should have. Martin Chalfie did a PCR cloning based on
his construct and fixed that problem. I think it is fair that Prasher still
gets quite a bit money for selling the patent. However, he is not creative
at all when luck strikes, not simply personality problem. He is blind about
the big picture.
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m*********D 发帖数: 1727 | 18 这是google来的:
Douglas C. Prasher (born August 1951) is an American molecular biologist. He
is known for his work to clone and sequence the genes for the photoprotein
aequorin [1] and green fluorescent protein (GFP) [2] and for his proposal to
use GFP as a tracer molecule.[3] He communicated his pioneering work to
Martin Chalfie and Roger Y. Tsien, but by 1991 was himself unable to obtain
further research funding, and left academia. Eventually, he had to abandon
science. Chalfie and Tsien were awar... 阅读全帖 |
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 19 面对现实吧。Doug Prasher 已经给大家敲醒了警钟,还是两次。第二次是钱永健得诺
奖后感激他,请他去实验室从新开始。因为这个,他的老婆跟他离婚了。结果没几年,
钱永健不行了,他又到处投简历。
他做司机那些年,专业都荒废了,跟不上最新进展。钱永健招他,也不指望他能出什么
结果。就当个吉祥物。
相比之下,张Tom就幸运很多,烦肉饼多年,还能做出重大成果。关键是数学或者任何
非实验学科,只要有脑子就行。生物,没钱你啥也干不了。
而能不能拿到钱,参见Doug Prasher 还有CRISPR的早期工作,压根拿不到NIH的钱。很
多教授明确说了,拿钱要靠关系。Review你grant的人有很多水平很烂。
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j********u 发帖数: 235 | 22 当下除了我们这些准住院医坐卧不安等IV外,还有一群人也在心神不定地等着什么。等
什么呢?凌晨来自斯德哥尔摩的电话!本年度的诺贝尔奖马上就要揭晓了。我硕士的师
爷(导师的导师)是今年拉斯卡奖基础医学奖获奖者之一,住院他能再接再厉,获得诺
贝尔奖。重温一下饶毅2002年的预测,很佩服他的见地。以下为引文。
编者按:本文写于2002年10月诺贝尔奖公布前一天,到2004年10月止,每年都有所列
项目获奖,如第2项的Bob Horvitz和第13项的Sydney Brenner已于2002年获医学或生理
学奖、第5项的Roderick MacKinnon获2003年的化学奖、第16项的核磁共振成象部分获
2003年医学或生理学奖、第12项的Aaron Ciechanover 和 Avram Hershko获2004年的化
学奖。不过,作者强调,他不是预计得奖,而是列出他认为值得得奖的研究工作。
二十一项值得获诺贝尔生理或医学奖的工作及科学家
饶毅
又到十月,是诺贝尔奖宣布获奖人的季节。2002年诺贝尔生理或医学奖将在明天(
10月7日)宣布。虽然评选委员会以外的人不能预计谁当年会得奖,一般来说... 阅读全帖 |
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 23 【 以下文字转载自 Biology 讨论区 】
发信人: Tianzi (Sun Scracher), 信区: Biology
标 题: 原创性的科研不适合中国人
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Oct 8 08:29:28 2015, 美东)
看看各位做出诺
奖级别工作的中国科学家,一公是富士康模式,张峰又何尝不是,他的最初一篇CRISPR
的文章也不是原创性的。记得张峰还有一篇文章把guide RNA每个碱基都做了突变,这
种工作量浩大的工作也就中国人愿意做。就是得了炸药奖的钱永健老先生,也就是在
Prasher的工作上再前进了一步,筛突变体GFP,不是原创。我在其他蛋白上做过这类事
情,如果蛋白极端重要,我的工作是不是也应该是诺奖级别的?还有某位女科学家抢别
人原创性想法的传闻。倒是谢灿的工作,才是原创性的。还有军方的超高音速乘波体是
原创。不过中国的原创真的很少很少。不是说只有原创性的才重要,也不是说靠人多加
苦逼不能出好成果。但看看中国几千年的发展和中国科学几十年的发展,甚至海外华人
科学家的发展
,靠人多加苦逼是基本模式。到今天,已经21世纪了,很多国人抱着传统... 阅读全帖 |
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v**********m 发帖数: 5516 | 24 呵呵,退身步。
四五十岁的生物千老发来贺电,政府资助一缩减,拖家带口而且由于多年低薪无积蓄,
转行都没机会。你知道Douglas C. Prasher吗?我觉得应该把他的故事写在任何基础研
究的招生简章里。
什么都是生意,基础研究对卖家而言是最差的生意,永远是买方市场,政府政府作为唯
一的买家,掌控所有卖家的命。由于没有客观的大众市场评价,课题的意义只在大佬的
一番说辞里,说你的课题无意义,翻身都没机会,直接被赶出行。 |
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 25 看看这哥们的经历,现在还有职位的千老们该知足了
他在80年代世界上第一个克隆出绿色荧光蛋白这一生物界神器的基因。并且开展工作证
明这个神器可以在很多不同的细胞里工作。
然而他没有拿到科研经费继续深入研究,并且没有拿到恬妞。关于神器的工作,他交给
了他的同事继续。而他于是只好到研究所和NASA做临时工。左后NASA的项目也取消了,
他完全失业。在用完积蓄以后,去当机场接机大巴的司机。
十来年过去了,他当年的工作帮别人拿了炸药奖。
2011年出现了转机,炸药奖得主之一的钱永健邀请他到自己实验室当research
associate, 于是他又重回学术圈工作,很嗨森!
哪料命运再次不济,钱永健2016年骑单车摔死了,于是Douglas再次失业到现在。
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 27 我他么的要是他,当年发照耀奖的时候,老子到媒体上去闹一番。不为了钱和名,就他
么的为了对得起自己当年对科学的热情
:尼玛,命运弄人 |
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发帖数: 1 | 29 这个,拿不到tenure,自动退出科学界,大部分原因恐怕应在是自己的吧。 |
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 30 我看了一下他的文章,在八九十年代就发science 啦,别的文章也不少。作为一个学者
,应该是不错的教授了。甜妞这种事情,很多时候是运气和你的工作和系里面要的合不
合拍,而不是你自己有多牛
:这个,拿不到tenure,自动退出科学界,大部分原因恐怕应在是自己的吧。 |
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 31 关键是这哥们接受采访的时候,还挺淡定。我们这些看客愤愤不平,他自己其实云淡风
轻,安贫乐道
:火坑专业加上运气背 可惜了 |
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k****z 发帖数: 1863 | 32 现代科研=灌水+编故事+造假+拉关系
做好这些,搞到钱,雇几个能出活的苦力搞些东西就行
这人除了干活,估计一样不行 |
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g******t 发帖数: 11249 | 33 团队最重要
负责要钱的+负责灌水的+负责拉关系的
一个PI赶不过来 |
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 34 这种流水线生产科研真没意思。科研如果变成谋生的手段,还真的不如转行去做码农 |
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x****6 发帖数: 4339 | 35 看这个,感觉这哥们比张更惨.张好歹最后credits全得.而这哥们被人家抢了
更像一个发现GFp那哥们Douglas Prasher
the
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T****i 发帖数: 15191 | 36 生物的不行。连天牛没过的都有去开杂货店的。Doug Prasher,跟炸药奖擦肩而过,没
拿到天牛,东西给别人了,别人拿炸药奖也没他的份儿,只能去做专职司机。 |
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n********g 发帖数: 6504 | 37 人际关系、基金和命运对学者的无情嘲弄
From: Bhattacharjee 科研圈 2017-11-07
图片来源:Bryan Bacon/The Huntsville Times
撰文 Yudhijit Bhattacharjee
翻译 李杨
审校 张梦茜
编辑 魏潇
得知他曾经的同事赢得了科学界最伟大的荣誉时,这位荧光蛋白基因的发现者正驾驶着
一辆小客车。他在阿拉巴马州亨茨维尔市的一家本田汽车销售店铺做客户的免费接送服
务,以此为生。
诺贝尔颁奖典礼上的旁观者
2008 年 12 月,道格拉斯·普拉舍(Douglas Prasher)跟汽车店请了一周的假,去参
加在斯德哥尔摩举办的诺贝尔颁奖典礼。这是他和妻子吉娜多年来第一次度假。颁奖礼
当天,他穿上了一套租来的、所有男性参会者都要穿的燕尾服,还有一双从亨茨维尔商
店借的皮鞋。
在诺贝尔晚宴上,普拉舍坐在悬挂于七层楼高的天花板上那闪闪发光的枝形吊灯下,尝
到了第一口他 30 年来梦寐以求的餐后甜酒。当服务员把酒倒进杯子里时,他问是否可
以把瓶子放在桌上,却被服务员拒绝了。她告诉他这剩下的酒是工作人员打算晚点偷偷
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M*P 发帖数: 6456 | 39 一个sad story。GFP的发现者没能tenure的,即使发现了GFP这么重要的东西也拿不到
钱。
Prasher a Nobel Prize |
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M****o 发帖数: 4860 | 40 Douglas Prasher
Biological research scientist looking for new opportunites.
Staff Research Associate
University of California, San Diego
2012 – June 2015 (3 years)La Jolla, CA
Roger Tsien没继续让他待在他的Lab了? |
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b*********1 发帖数: 1054 | 42 这件事钱非常地道,是个真正的学者,不知道钱去世,prasher能不能把这个实验室继
续下去,再做出什么巨大贡献,也是科学史上的佳话啊! |
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s******y 发帖数: 28562 | 43
没有任何可能。
潘的遭遇类似那个最先克隆水母发光蛋白的那个人(Douglas Prasher),都是因为没
有得到足够的资源,导致他们都没能直接参与这个工具的发展过程,最后credit 都没
有落到他们头上。
不过Roger Tsien 比较有良心的一点是他在不同的场合都宣扬Douglas的贡献。甚至在
Douglas潦倒的去开出租车的时候把他请到自己的实验室里工作。
但是Karl Deisseroth估计都讨厌死潘了。因为潘在2005年早期把他的成果在
一个学术会议上给了一个short talk, 美国专利局因为这个原因在过去10年一直
反复的驳回Deisseroth的专利申请,直到最近才解决了这个问题。 |
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o****y 发帖数: 790 | 44 Whenever I feel down, this should serve as a reminder.
Career
Prasher received his Ph.D. in Biochemistry from the Ohio State University in
1979. From 1979 to 1983, he worked in genetics and biochemistry research at
the University of Georgia, where he identified aequorin.[1] He then joined
the Biology Department of the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, Woods
Hole, Massachusetts where he studied bioluminescence. In 1988, he received a
three-year, $200,000 grant from the American Cancer Society |
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X***l 发帖数: 456 | 45 一提司机,我脑里面立刻蹦出一个名字Douglas Prasher |
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a***e 发帖数: 1010 | 48 想想 Douglas Prasher, 还有什么不满意的? |
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K**4 发帖数: 1015 | 49 看了Douglas Prasher 的简历
文章还是很不错的 |
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c********r 发帖数: 1125 | 50
我看了这篇原文了。。。没想到beutler也四处诋毁打压janeway得工作。。。。
提到得mezhetiev在seminar上得反击太太太犀利了。。。
唉唉。。。只能说beutler和hoffman都是“人精”,很会推销自己的工作得人。。。从
某种意义上也解释为什么炸药奖给了他们。
让我想起GFP那年的炸药奖。最先发现萤光发光,最先克隆gfp得都没有得奖,下村修得
奖算是评委会有眼光,但是doug prasher(克隆gfp得人)极其悲惨。。。最后没有工作。
marty chalfie在得奖2年前就在全世界开始宣传他得贡献,包括原始e-mail,稿件,
notebook扫描。。。他很有心机。
结果全世界都认为marty得贡献值得得诺贝尔奖,事实上他只是做出了第一个转基因gfp
线虫。。。而炸药奖一直标榜自己“重视原创idea,而不是应用。。。”
如果这也可以得奖的话,那么很多颁奖都应该重新改写:第一个做出transgenic mouse
得人没有得...第一个做出nuclear transfer得没有得。。。
包括很多物理奖得颁发,做出实验验证理论假设得都没有得,比如吴健雄。。。。 |
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