g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 1 我也是这样想的，所以先试了老麦的站位，结果不会发球了。于是又试Safin
的左脚往右跨步法，结果一发球，那一步其实就没跨出去，还试了cilic的抬
左脚跟的办法，结果发现左脚还是会下意识的迈一步把站位调回老样子了。
唉，总之就是站位不受我自己控制。 |
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J****0
发帖数: 2400 | 2 稳定总决赛反正没戏，但奖金挣得比safin还多，连个1000的title都没有就太说不过
去了，所以稳定肯定是要保巴黎放总决赛的。 |
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w********u
发帖数: 1865 | 3 其实上不上步都无所谓，几大发球牛人桑神，费费，大罗都不上步，我最爱的是safin
还是左腿往前上一小步，各种上步我都发过一段时间，现在就固定下来不上步，这样动
作简洁，但是两腿之间距离保持小一点，如果太大，对腰腹力量要求太高，动作有时不
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 4 无所谓，对于我主要是先强调一下timing，等我timing能固定了我说不定也不上部了
总之根据大家的讨论貌似这也是个流派问题，有的人就是上步觉得顺，有的人就是不上
部觉得顺
自己慢慢体会吧
老拿桑神菲菲说事也没代表性，人是人精啊，呵呵
safin |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 5 你也太不敬业了，好歹选个在同一边发球的图做比较，视角也应该尽量一致，
最后都是发内角或外角，不然这些引入的差别就有可能非常大。
另外我不是那么看重trophy pose，我还是觉得关键是timing，击球点
时刻的发力之类的。建议你找角度尽量相同的pro的sequence做对比。
而且不同pro的动作差别很大，有的跟你的姿势更相近一些，有的差别
就比较大，你得想好到底学谁的。
这是我以前做的跟Safin的对比，用的是asus推荐的那个软件：
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tv6o9D2yY38 |
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w*******n
发帖数: 479 | 6 有道理。同样的绝对速度一样，那估计safin比federer要更肌肉些才能加上更多的旋转。 |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 7 另外我很少听见说阿加西或Federer的球重，有说犀利的，有说快的，
很少听见用重来形容这俩的。
说球重的好像Safin比较多，或者Tsonga，Rodick的发球之类的。
别人还有谁？ |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 9 Pure Drive Roddick, of course used by Roddick.
L7, used by Ivanisevic, Safin, Philippoussis etc. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 10 不过偶感觉还是有道理的。你看看都是谁用：
Roddick, Safin, Ivanisevic, 菲利普西斯。。。 |
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d****z
发帖数: 9761 | 12 Jerzy Janowicz: ′Novak Djokovic and Roger Federer? The first one false, the
other is full of himself′
http://www.tennisworldusa.org/?section=pre&id=8330
After rising to prominence at last year's Masters 1000 even in Paris, Jerzy
Janowicz has been rather outspoken about many elements on Tour. He recently
continued that trend, saying to a newspaper: ”I hate pretending. I’m
always my self, I imitate no one, I don’t play. Emotions guide me. When I’
m angry I show it. I don’t have idols. I used to li... 阅读全帖 |
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s*******1
发帖数: 11216 | 13 Yes, lina is great. Also don't forget safin's sister. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 14 也就Safin和伊万尼塞维奇吧。主要是也没多少人用，lol. |
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c***t
发帖数: 1216 | 15 Baghdatis is kind of only known because of his racquet smashing.
Take the racquets smashing part away, I don't think he is at the same level
with safin or ivanisevic.
but yes, nobody beats baghdatis in the racquets smashing category |
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k**f
发帖数: 1137 | 16 The grass is for cow. So said Safin.
吃的是草，挤的是奶。 鲁迅这样评价奶牛 |
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w*******n
发帖数: 479 | 17 所以说网球是力量和速度为主，当力量速度达到一定程度后，技巧和战术才能显现出来
。这也是为什么tennis hall of fame必须要两个以上的 大满贯才能进，得到一个还是
有偶然性的。当然老张是例外，不过好歹人连续好几年排名第二，再加上华人群体的特
殊性，也进了。不得不说老张的情坑绝对是no 1的，哪象safin, 纯粹靠天赋，太牛x.
当年放出话来，你们丫都搞不定劳费，我来，还真是把如日中天的劳费拉下马，再拿一
个澳网。 |
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m******n
发帖数: 15691 | 18 蛋不是这么扯的, 名人堂从没有2个GS这个要求, 去年的Manuel Orantes 就只有1个GS
所以说网球是力量和速度为主，当力量速度达到一定程度后，技巧和战术才能显现出来
。这也是为什么tennis hall of fame必须要两个以上的 大满贯才能进，得到一个还是
有偶然性的。当然老张是例外，不过好歹人连续好几年排名第二，再加上华人群体的特
殊性，也进了。不得不说老张的情坑绝对是no 1的，哪象safin, 纯粹靠天赋，太牛x.
当年放出话来，你们丫都搞不定劳费，我来，还真是把如日中天的劳费拉下马，再拿一
个澳网。 |
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a****7
发帖数: 295 | 19 Of course Luck is most important factor to have such a long run.
Look Djokovic's grand slam history, 2009 FO 3rd round loss was unexpected
given he was in at least QF for past 3 years. 2008 Wimbledon 2nd loss to
Safin was bad luck. Otherwise, he is already pretty close to Federer's
record.
We should wish better luck to him rest of his professional life.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 20 四哥受了n年气终于受不了了，6月初自费到店里买了把APD，就立刻差点进温网4强。
Dunlop n年来毁人不倦阿。Safin, Davydenko, Verdasco, Berdych... |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 21 I've watched Safin vs Joker highlights on youtube. |
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w*****g
发帖数: 615 | 23 IMO, the forward momentum, which didn't show much in this video, ended to
soon and almost too casually. Looked at your right foot at the end of serve
. It is almost like a walk in the park.
One thing I could not hear very well is the sound from the video. Is it very
SHORT and crisp? If it is not, you can snap a bit more.
Here is a lazy Safin serve. His right foot always cross the left in the end.
He wasn't trying very hard on this video. It is good enough to illustrate
the point.
http://www.you... 阅读全帖 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 24 still not 100% clear. I do see forward momentum on my serve as well as safin
's, indicated by the right foot step, anymore momentum in, will force the
left foot off the ground, which is not what i want to demonstrate... Can you
send me a link of Michael Chan's second serve?
Thanks!
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w*****g
发帖数: 615 | 25 It's going to be hard to find serve that doesn't "lift" at all. Some are big
follow through into the court. Some takes a small step in side and back out
to the baseline. Michael is the second.
If you don't "lift" or "move" your left foot at all, there is no forward
momentum because you have to stop or you will go out of balance. Maybe I
just walked a fuzzy line between "small step" and "not to jump, no to
pronation, yes to ytcw". My bad.
Michael's serve warm up at the beginning.
http://www.youtu... 阅读全帖 |
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s****h
发帖数: 3979 | 26 我觉得Barricade 2是系列里面最好的。
国内人懂得很。都知道Safin穿的Barricade 6，Joke穿Barricade 7.
都是指明要啥啥牌子型号. |
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d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 27 What Every Pro Tennis Player Does Better Than Roger Federer
Among players active since 1990, Federer holds the worst record in matches
where the loser wins more points than the winner—but that might just be
further evidence that he's the greatest.
Ryan Rodenberg
Jan 13 2014, 7:39 AM ET AP / Rick Rycroft
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e
As he enters this week’s annual Australian Open for the 16th consecutive
year, Switzerland’s living legend Roger Federer holds a p... 阅读全帖 |
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d******e
发帖数: 2541 | 28 What Every Pro Tennis Player Does Better Than Roger Federer
Among players active since 1990, Federer holds the worst record in matches
where the loser wins more points than the winner—but that might just be
further evidence that he's the greatest.
Ryan Rodenberg
Jan 13 2014, 7:39 AM ET AP / Rick Rycroft
http://www.theatlantic.com/entertainment/archive/2014/01/what-e
As he enters this week’s annual Australian Open for the 16th consecutive
year, Switzerland’s living legend Roger Federer holds a p... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 29 做了，但是一直很背。
花1 million sign Safin, 结果人家始终只用Head L7. Dunlop还被Head告paint job.
Sign Davydenko，成绩一落千丈。登科兄怒了，直接说钱偶不要了，免费换回
Prince O3，立刻起死回生。
Sign Berdych，差不多下场。鸟人被耽误了1-2年后拒绝再用，换回Radical立刻第7了。
Sign 我的四哥，本来用Techifibre好好的，用了Dunlop立刻就萎了。好在4哥痛定思痛
自费买了Babolat，立刻拿了总决赛双打冠军。
只有Robrado和Almagro还算忠心耿耿。 |
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 30 Well on the same token Rogers generation didn't have anyone who stands out
like nole or andy to rafa. Maybe safin but the guy did not play long. |
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j****n
发帖数: 94 | 31 除了连续6年年终第一（其中竟然有没拿GS的），还有GS决赛14胜4负（其中2负是职业
生涯末年输给小8岁以上的Safin和Hewitt）。这个不仅狒狒、德驴、僵尸望尘莫及，西
毒纳豆也赶不上了，现在是13胜6负其中被德驴咬了3场。
Sampras的H2H也很不错，每有谁能对他有明显优势的，主要对头(Agassi, Becker)对他
都是下风。和纳豆的共同点是越是关键时刻发挥越好。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 32 这个似乎不如纳豆优势明显。
符合你定义的只有Hrbaty和Davydenko两人。老桑有5人：
Krajicek, Hewitt, Stich, Safin, Bruguera |
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L*********n
发帖数: 185 | 33
我的没有试验过，不过你发球以后每个底线都会被纪录把，发球的纪录不都被覆盖了吗？
我把底线和发球的REFEREENCE给你把。
底线：
Forehand Spin Rates........Range...................... Average
Rafael Nadal............... 1800-4900 r.p.m. .........3200 r.p.m.
Roger Federer.................... 1400-4500 r.p.m. ........2700 r.p.m.
Andy Roddick..................... 1400-4200 r.p.m. ........2700 r.p.m.
Marat Safin.................... 900-3300 r.p.m. ..........2200 r.p.m.
Lleyton Hewitt................ 1300-3700 r.p.m. ..........2200 r.p.m.
Andre Agassi............ 阅读全帖 |
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w**********5
发帖数: 1741 | 34 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_Bagel_Award
The Golden Bagel Award is an award established in 2004 that honors the
professional male tennis player who has handed out more "bagels" (sets won 6
–0), than any other player on the circuit.[1][2] Roger Federer holds the
all-time record for most bagels in a single season with 18 going into the
Tennis Master's Cup, and a total of 19 in 2006.
Contents
1 About the award
2 Winners
3 Final bagel counts
3.1 2004
3.2 2005
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 35 No, Rios was in Sampras/Agassi era. Agassi was at peak while Sampras was
declining.
Top players after Agassi would be Hewitt, Safin, Fererro, Roddick, all
having at least 1 GS. |
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p*****n
发帖数: 265 | 36 再说年龄：
Nadal 86的
Joker 87的
Murray 87的
Roger 81的
差5～6岁。算H2H真的有意义吗？
Roger打败了同时代的Hewitt, Roddick, Safin, etc. 哪个不是响当当名操一时的好汉。
结果现在还要跟小一代的选手比H2H，公平何在？ |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 37 Ok, gathered some strength to speak again.
I've used the PC600 before. It feels awesome. It's not that demanding,
only about 12.3 oz and 7 pt HL. However it is low powered. Only violent
males like Safin can use it well. He still uses it as of today.
The Prestige Pro mid, though, is heavier. It should be just the right
power if you can manage it. That's why the old Prestige Pro is the
best racket Head ever made. |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 38 Yes, says Safin, philippoussis, Ivansevic etc.
"We don't need to work on games and will still beat you, losers!" |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 39 其他部分同意，但是你理解错了偶这篇的主要论点。
偶这篇不是在说game比stroke重要，而是说每个人怎样的stroke才是最优的，某种
程度上是由身体条件决定的，而不是一味朝着“标准”看齐。
也就是说偶觉得A拉现在这种stroke才是最优的，而不是改成莎娃那种。现在这种
stroke可以最大限度发挥她任意变线并且隐蔽不失误的特长。如果改成long swing，
long follow through，将导致准备、恢复时间都变长，从而更仓促。
同理，Serena不盯球也是由身体条件决定的。她不盯球都已经是No.1暴力女了，还
盯球作甚？省下0.05秒跑动才是正理。
再比如Santoro，一普通WS大叔，你真觉得他如果不用诡异打法能对Safin保持H2H
绝对优势？Yes, Santoro的正常strokes也是pro level, 但是也就一challenger
level.
关键就是这个“标准”本身就没有定论。历史上标准都变了很多次了。
偶等会儿新回一贴说明这个问题。 |
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 40 你的问题是目标定的太高太远，是以得分为标准的，这样就变成最佳动作
是看对手的了。比方Federer反手被Nadal虐。Santaro虐Safin之类的
比方如果我发球，对面是一堵墙。我发的球狂慢，墙弹不回来。所以得分了。
Federer发的很快，结果墙弹回来了。然后你就说我的发球比Federer的好，
因为我能直接轻松得分。或者Federer也改下手发球，结果也直接发球得分。
你就认为我的发球更Federer的发球一样好。这是不是有问题呢？
上。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 41 Tier 1:
Federer Lendl Wilander Safin Kuerten
Tier 2:
Sampras Edberg Agassi Borg Hewitt Djokovic Kafelnikov
Tier 3:
Nastase Courier Nadal Becker
Tier 4:
McEnroe Connors Roddick |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 43 Henin disqualified.
Safin看着不错，tier 1还是2？ |
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h*h
发帖数: 18873 | 44 因为是女子？
safin 第一类吧。
咖啡第二类
guga有第一类的味道啊。 |
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d*********l
发帖数: 333 | 45 roddick 还是算了，难看的打法，最差的反手技术。
Hewitt也是生在好的时代，不然和现役 big 4中后辈的三个中任何一个用彼此最巅峰实
力对决都是下风，这三个都能 match Hewitt的防守，但进攻更强
唯一的 under achiever 是 safin |
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s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 46 休伊特最TOUGH的时候对费德勒可是见一次灭一次。当然也可以说费德勒因此
成长了，特别是戴维斯杯五盘输给休伊特之后。
在红土之外，休伊特和纳达尔的全盛期实力差不多，草地上即便现在的休伊特
和纳达尔也有一拼。休伊特主要是全盛期太短了。
SAFIN的精神力属性完全就不配做职业球员，虽然天赋异禀才华横溢。 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 47 砸拍是一个经久不衰、津津乐道的话题。脍炙人口的有Baghdatis, Gonzalez, Safin
等等。
偶今天要说的不是谁砸的猛，而是史上两起比较特殊的砸拍事件。
2000年11月，英国Brighton的Samsung Open第二轮，Ivanisevic对阵李亨泽。当比赛
进行到第3盘底4局的时候，Ivanisevic砸完第3把拍子，这才想起总共只带了3把拍子,
这下傻眼了。裁判建议他问双打搭档Ljubcic借一把。Ivanisevic看了看老柳的
Slazenger又看了看自己的Head PC600，拒绝了这个建议。这样，裁判就宣布老伊万
由于没有适合的比赛器材而输掉比赛，最终比分5-7, 7-6, 1-3. 这个事件比较轰动，
央视新闻都报道了。
一晃5年过去了。时间定格在2005年11月，法国巴黎Masters. 人物换成了当时排名
第7的Davydenko和第73的Tursunov. 此前他们打过一次，劳模6-2, 6-0轻取。
但是这次情况不同。Davydenko当时有肩伤，果然比赛很不顺利，第一盘UE无数，3-2
后连输4局，最终Tursunov 6-3拿下。此时D... 阅读全帖 |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 48 #1 doesn't need all. Hewitt could use more power. Safin could use more
consistency.
Joker is a good #1, so his bar is higher.
Pusher == consitent player (as a main feature) in my book.
definition |
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b*********r
发帖数: 44 | 49 没错，看2002年终ATP. 不明白为啥会有人对桑神如此不敬。
1 Hewitt, Lleyton AUS
2 Agassi, Andre USA
3 Safin, Marat RUS
4 Ferrero, Juan Carlos ESP
5 Moya, Carlos ESP 2630
6 Federer, Roger SUI
7 Novak, Jiri CZE 2335
8 Henman, Tim GBR
9 Costa, Albert ESP
10 Roddick, Andy USA
11 Haas, Tommy GER
12 Nalbandian, David ARG
13 Sampras, Pete
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30 Robredo, Tommy
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32 Youzhny, Mikhail |
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 50 偶的意思是就让Safin赢那么一次又如何？比如老费的2005，一样一统江湖。 |
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