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T*****n
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【 以下文字转载自 Medicaltech 讨论区 】
发信人: Tonyvan (Tony), 信区: Medicaltech
标 题: Name of accrediting body该怎么填?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 11 15:25:48 2017, 美东)
正在填一个申请technologist的表格。这里要填Name of accrediting body or
official organization that recognizes this program. 这里是填教育部吧,还是要
填学校本身?感觉中国大学的专业没有什么认证的机构,都是要经过教育部审批,是吧
d****2
发帖数: 6250
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这厮有53个connection,基本不可能是假的。这个最搞笑了,
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Technologist, philanthropist
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CEO at Innovation Works
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Founder and CEO, Baidu
Greg Pilarowski
Founder of Law Offices of Greg Pilarowski
Herman Yu
CFO, SINA Corporation (NASDAQ: SINA)
Sammy Cheng
CFO, Vice Chairman, Executive Director at CDC Corporation
Eric Ho
CFO at Giant Interactive Group (NYSE:GA)
Vincent Tao
CEO/PPLive, Executive/Microsoft, Founder/GeoTango, Professor/York
James Lin
Vice Pre
y***1
发帖数: 787
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R&D Product Development Technologist-Skin/Oral category
Related major.
MS/PhD
Please send resume to
a**********[email protected]
Thanks.
l**e
发帖数: 97
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来自主题: Returnee版 - 贴几个 JD 吧 - 节日快乐
3 x Principal Engineer
1 x Principal Architect
工作地点在上海
=======================================
Principal Software Engineer – Presentation Technologies (首席系统软件开发/
架构工程师)
The Principal Software Engineer will be responsible for leading development
of sophisticated presentation technologies. Deep knowledge on browser
execution environment and in-depth understanding of site-speed improvement
best practices are expected. The successful candidate will be a top
performer and versatile professional lea... 阅读全帖
l*******e
发帖数: 14
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刚拿了绿卡,在几个option中犹豫:
A. 上海外企,中型公司,会负责把研发中心搭起来,同时负责公司的技术路线,以及
在中国的技术合作及推广。薪水基本match我现在的薪水,但是没有住房补贴这些,只
给了一些搬家费,每年会根据公司和个人情况发bonus up to 30%,但这个不是一定的,
比如今年就很可能没有;title不错,但这个是对外的,在内部估计也就是Sr. Manager
的level;
B. 西部一省会城市大型外企研发中心,一般的研发经理,薪水大概是我现在的70-75%
左右,也有target bonus20%,但也要看公司和个人情况,但公司HR告诉我过去几年都
有,另外还有每年大概20%的补贴,但这个每年只能拿一部分,三年才能拿完;
C. 一国外start-up,总共才10几个人,中国是重点市场之一,让我去负责中国市场开
拓和客户支持服务,可行的话也许会在中国开一个小office,同时把manufacturing慢
慢搬到中国去;
D. 美国本地一家大公司,在国内有很多业务,招我去国内的合资厂从技术上面负责一
些事情,title也就是一般的technologist,还... 阅读全帖
z*****g
发帖数: 1
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来自主题: Returnee版 - 海归招聘信息
The Reproductive Medicine Center of the Third Affiliated Hospital of
Guangzhou Medical University has an open position in an IVF clinic lab.
The ideal candidate should have a Ph.D. degree in Biology, Cell Biology,
Developmental Biology, Molecular Biology, Biochemistry, Animal Sciences,
Genetics, Medicine or other related fields. He or she should be able to work
on in vitro oocyte and embryo culture, in vitro fertilization, and other
clinic service in an IVF lab, in addition to research on human ... 阅读全帖
g********e
发帖数: 1638
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218 张泽洪
(EE,CVD) 男 1975/12/03 中国科学院苏州纳米技术与纳米仿生研究所
工程与材料科学 2005年12月毕业于[美国]南卡莱罗纳大学 [美国]应用材料公
司硅谷总部 资深关键客户技术师/Senior Key Account Technologist
这个人的简历在此。只有10片左右的paper,其中四个发表在APL,还有几个发表在名声
很差的materials forum(材料类的烂的不能再烂的journal了)
http://sourcedb.sinano.cas.cn/zw/zjrck/201109/t20110926_3354280
姓 名:
张泽洪
性 别:

职 务:

职 称:
研究员
学 历:
博士研究生
通讯地址:
苏州工业园区若水路398号
电 话:

邮政编码:
215123
传 真:

电子邮件:
z*********[email protected]

简历... 阅读全帖
v***t
发帖数: 27100
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来自主题: Returnee版 - 阿里巴巴杭州总部招人
senior technologist
v***t
发帖数: 27100
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来自主题: Returnee版 - 阿里巴巴杭州总部招人
senior technologist
c*********8
发帖数: 314
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来自主题: Reunion版 - 请教翻译
丈母娘是医院检验科的检验师,请问应该怎么翻译比较好一点呢?
medical technologist?
medical technician?
r*g
发帖数: 155
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来自主题: Stock版 - MIPS又可以玩PRE-ER RUN了
金猪,你觉得MIPS会beat吗?
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/07/12/3-technology-c
--------------------------------------------------
Simply put, you'd be investing at the ground floor of a potential rocket
ride that should mirror that of ARM closely. MIPS chips are only now making
their way into Android phones and tablets, contributing to the company's
sales for the first time in the quarter that ended this March. There's no
denying the power of a first-mover advantage, but MIPS is starting from... 阅读全帖
r*g
发帖数: 155
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来自主题: Stock版 - 看现在这涨幅, MIPS肯定beat
Let's wait and see on 7/26
------------------------------------
http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2011/07/12/3-technology-c
-------------------------------------
Simply put, you'd be investing at the ground floor of a potential rocket
ride that should mirror that of ARM closely. MIPS chips are only now making
their way into Android phones and tablets, contributing to the company's
sales for the first time in the quarter that ended this March. There's no
denying the power of a first-mover adv... 阅读全帖
p*******v
发帖数: 130
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谢谢!
w***o
发帖数: 3830
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entry level for Ph.D.
p*******v
发帖数: 130
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请问一般工资多少? CAREER PATH 是R&D 还是 BUSINESS?
k****2
发帖数: 11
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来自主题: Working版 - Anyone a Medical Technologist?
I need some help, thanks.
c*****g
发帖数: 2182
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来自主题: Working版 - 多事之秋,求祝福
老公是medical technologist的工作。11月15日opt过期,8月13号file的h1b,但一直
没信儿,11月底加速处理了一下,现在接到通知要visa screen,据说要3个月时间,这
起见老公咋办?工作是不是还合法,一旦h1b被拒,他就要在15天呢回国,对吧?大家
有遇见类似的情况吗?h1b要求补充材料被拒的可能性有多大?谢谢大家的帮助和解答。
我们还两地,我带着2个孩子。。。真是很担心害怕,万一老公被拒,我就感觉全家都
完了。。。求祝福,求大家祝福老公顺利拿到visa screen顺利拿到工作签证吧!!
谢谢大家,我会发包子感谢大家的。
e***a
发帖数: 1661
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Alberta province needs lots of technologists at petroleum work-sites.
Skilled petroleum workers earn big money.
Apply for a certificate or diploma study (0.5 to 2 years) at
www.nait.ca , www.sait.ca , or other colleges.
consult completely www.cic.gc.ca for your application to
study permit and skilled worker immigration.
h*********l
发帖数: 51
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这活儿会不会有害健康啊。。nn[在 edmca (I am alive) 的大作中提到:]n :
Alberta province needs lots of technologists at petroleum work-sites.n:
Skilled petroleum workers earn big money.n:n:...........n n[发自未名空间
iPhone版]
s****l
发帖数: 109
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来自主题: Immigration版 - 请评估下EB1a可能性
我去年刚博士毕业, 现在西雅图工作, 已交了NIW I-140, 现请大家评估下如果file
EB1a 有多大可能?
1)first author published paper 10, 2 Chinese + 8 English, in top journal of
food microbiology
2)conference abstracts 9, 2 oral + 7 poster
3)prize: one developing scientist competition third place and one second
palce in international association of food protection (IAFP), one 3rd place
of graduate research poster competteion in Institute of Food Technologist (
IFT),
review: only one timw
citation: less than 20
media report: 6 times in ma
s*****e
发帖数: 291
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找到学校的一个technician职位,我有master的学位,这样的话最低工资要求是不是就
高了?那样我可不可以只提交我的本科学位?还有就是technician和technologist哪个
要求更低一些呢?
不胜感谢
s*********n
发帖数: 937
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我也是master,实验室工作2年了,research Technologist。 不知道有没有可能NIW。
有几篇2,3作者的paper,国内有3篇1作的paper。
f*****g
发帖数: 260
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来自主题: Immigration版 - EB1-A PP approved
Updates:
本想等我弄完I-485后再来折腾这些东西的。但这两天收到好多来自申友的、要求给材料的短信,也能体会到大家与我当时一样的心情。所以,就先把letter templates整理下下,并更新在这个贴子后面了。有留下email地址的申友,我已把letter templates发到你的信箱里,请查收。至于还未留email地址,就请不要再给我留email地址了,直接在本贴后面拷就是了。(当然,如果是想给俺包子的话,俺是会张大口袋接的 ---- 俺也想ZAN点儿,等GC到手后,发几个给曾经帮助过我的前辈们,:)
这次能过,可能与我所做的项目比较特殊有关(恕我不能在此提及,因为不想被人肉),当然,运气是最重要的,我想。也有些申友是写信问问题的。我真不是什么办GC的牛人,GC办到现在,其实还是有很多拎不清的地方。不过,如果是我懂得的那些,我一定会尽量答复的。只是请给我点时间,因为我这阵子公事、私事的搅成一团,实在是太忙了;还有,我想先把485交上了。
注:本贴后面,共有8封用来联系教授、编辑、或review verification letters的信或模板,请大家自行COPY。也请大... 阅读全帖
p*******l
发帖数: 2495
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来自主题: Immigration版 - review 的acknowledgement letter
Source:
http://www.mitbbs.com/ym_article1/Immigration/31786505_1.html
Review verification letter from editor #1
{Organization letterhead}
August 22, 2010
US Department of Homeland Security
US Citizenship and Immigration Service
RE: Dr. XXX
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to support Dr. XXX’s petition for permanent resident as an
extraordinary researcher in the field of yyyy. I am writing to confirm that
Dr. XXX has reviewed multiple submissions to the refereed scientific journal
, zzzz.
I woul... 阅读全帖
p*******l
发帖数: 2495
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Source:
http://www.mitbbs.com/ym_article1/Immigration/31786505_1.html
Review verification letter from editor #1
{Organization letterhead}
August 22, 2010
US Department of Homeland Security
US Citizenship and Immigration Service
RE: Dr. XXX
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to support Dr. XXX’s petition for permanent resident as an
extraordinary researcher in the field of yyyy. I am writing to confirm that
Dr. XXX has reviewed multiple submissions to the refereed scientific journal
, zzzz.
I woul... 阅读全帖
p*******l
发帖数: 2495
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Source:http://www.mitbbs.com/ym_article1/Immigration/31786505_1.html
review verification letter from editor #1
{Organization letterhead}
August 22, 2010
US Department of Homeland Security
US Citizenship and Immigration Service
RE: Dr. XXX
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to support Dr. XXX’s petition for permanent resident as an
extraordinary researcher in the field of yyyy. I am writing to confirm that
Dr. XXX has reviewed multiple submissions to the refereed scientific journal
, zzzz.
I would... 阅读全帖
p*******l
发帖数: 2495
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source:http://www.mitbbs.com/ym_article1/Immigration/31786505_1.html
review verification letter from editor #1
{Organization letterhead}
August 22, 2010
US Department of Homeland Security
US Citizenship and Immigration Service
RE: Dr. XXX
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to support Dr. XXX’s petition for permanent resident as an
extraordinary researcher in the field of yyyy. I am writing to confirm that
Dr. XXX has reviewed multiple submissions to the refereed scientific journal
, zzzz.
I would... 阅读全帖
p*******l
发帖数: 2495
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来自主题: Immigration版 - editor的推荐信
http://www.mitbbs.com/ym_article1/Immigration/31786505_1.html
review verification letter from editor #1
{Organization letterhead}
August 22, 2010
US Department of Homeland Security
US Citizenship and Immigration Service
RE: Dr. XXX
Dear Sir or Madam:
This letter is to support Dr. XXX’s petition for permanent resident as an
extraordinary researcher in the field of yyyy. I am writing to confirm that
Dr. XXX has reviewed multiple submissions to the refereed scientific journal
, zzzz.
I would like t... 阅读全帖
t*****8
发帖数: 363
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专业: EE图像处理
假设PP增加REF(假设)
1. 论文数量:我一共21篇,10篇JOURNAL,4篇一做,11篇会议,基本都是一作
这点应该没问题
2. 审稿
我有9个审稿邀请,18个来回(R1,R2,R3),一个最佳审稿人奖。有一个杂志主编写的
推荐信
估计问题不大
3. 原始贡献
这点在PL里面是放在第一点说的,我工作上的贡献说了一半,学术上的说了一半
1)研发了一个图像处理产品,获得了一专业杂志的奖:the plugin of the Month
2)又研发了一个图像处理产品,获得很多业界职业人士positive review。附上了收集
打印的positive review,一共40页。
3)附上了公司自己写的news release,上面说我为产品2)付出了大量的经历,是主要
研发。附上了google搜索的转发这个news release的网站,有300多个(都是用的一样
的新闻通稿)
4)附上了GOOGLE搜索我产品的记录,有300多万条
5)谈到了我的引用。我的引用很弱,一共就33个独立。所以强调了发的文章很新,但
是去年发的最新的11月文章,引用就已经到了8个。
... 阅读全帖
z********8
发帖数: 818
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来自主题: Immigration版 - 硕士申请绿卡途径 求助
本人H1B 国内硕士毕业,目前在一家not profit的企业做senior technologist.
发表文章13篇(SCI 8篇,中文5篇),总引用145 (google)。
第一作者4篇,SCI 2篇(if分别为4和2),中文2篇,总引用25.
我能不能通过NIW申请绿卡,还是必须要公司的支持? 有没有其它途径申请绿卡?
谢谢!
S*******r
发帖数: 11017
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彭博本人还表示要给每个STEM毕业生发绿卡
不过这些都是主流媒体 都是积极信号
J********t
发帖数: 240
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职位没问题,也可以要求有master degree的,但是工资比博后要求高,尤其是要续h1b
的时候,记得去年还是前年,给大幅涨了工资才够着最低标准。
s**l
发帖数: 869
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来自主题: EB23版 - 我们现在还有60天的评论期
我的回复,超了字数,分了两次提交
This proposed rule (USCIS-2015-0008-0001) suppose to retain EB-1/2/3
immigrant workers, however on the contrary the proposed rule adds more
obstacles to the EB-1/2/3 immigrant workers to continue stay in USA. The
proposed rule does NOT make the immigration procedure easier for EB-1/2/3
immigrant workers. With all due respect, I strongly recommend that the
proposed rule is NOT enacted at all, if key components of the rule cannot be
modified to truly benefit the EB-1/2/3 immigrant... 阅读全帖
k***e
发帖数: 47
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单开一贴汇总一些comments,大家参考一下
主要来源:http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/EB23/32494565.html
事关大家利益,举手之劳,请至少去评论一条吧。谢谢!
在这里评论:
http://www.regulations.gov/#!documentDetail;D=USCIS-2015-0008-0
2/29截止评论。
====================================================
先来个中文的中心思想,大家体会一下先
发信人: leaf1234 (leaf1234), 信区: EB23
标 题: Re: USCIS最新规则改变评论已开放(链接更新在一楼)
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Dec 31 15:01:48 2015, 美东)
中文;
J表阻碍人才流动,对雇主,经济,创新不利。
USCIS的Officer要更辛苦了。(希望能激起他们内部反对的呼声)
大家因为485的不确定,不敢买房买车。
两地夫妻,不敢辞职,违背人伦。
==========================... 阅读全帖
G*****r
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来自主题: Australia版 - Google 诚聘 Product Manager - Sydney.
For immediate consideration, please send a text (ASCII) or HTML version of
your resume in English to tomzhang @ google.com
Product Manager - Sydney
Position based in Sydney, Australia.
Do you have a passion for creating great products? Google's product
management team is looking for talented, ambitious, self-directed
technologists to guide our products from conception to launch. If you’re
eager to improve information access for millions of people and have a proven
track record of excellence, we
a***f
发帖数: 32
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请教有相关经验xdjm,
人在美国做生物医学基础研究的博士后, 想移民懊洲. 但好象除Medical technologist
60分外, 职业评分均为50. 这样要120有点困难 (35-40 years old,couple with two
kids,wife is a technician/biologist in the lab, no 雅思 yet)
不知象我们的情况是否有希望移民, 有无申请技巧, 先去懊洲找博士后是否会保证移民
成功.
非常谢谢!
j******n
发帖数: 21641
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博士后有时确实比较难说,如果是澳大利亚本地博士毕业可能好办得多
一般来说可能是先来工作走其他路数比如雇主帮助,但是否能保证就不知道了
我们这里有不少生物博士,也许他们可以提供些建议

technologist
two
u****r
发帖数: 18
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国内工程学学士,硕士
美国工程学硕士博士,
博后快满一年。
想携妻子办澳洲技术移民,可能要个人申请,或者地方政府担保
但也在尽量找工作和雇主担保,但要做坏的打算。。
有几个问题:
1。是否要考雅思?美国的学习经历不能代替英语考试吗?
2。Australia Engineering 的技术移民资格评估
按我的求学背景,我能算哪一种申请人
non-recognised qualification
还是
accredited qualifications
还有我能否算是Engineering Professional,
其他Engineering Technologist 或Engineering Associate
看起来是,2,3年学制的学位.
另外,国内学位证书有学校的英文盖章件是否就可以了
在美国的学位证书复印件怎样认证?要去当地公证机关,还是学校有类似的服务。
3。个人申请,或者地方政府担保,或雇主担保大概要多长时间。
i**c
发帖数: 90
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1 独立技术移民即便是澳洲的学习经历也不能替代雅思
如果你是英国、美国、加拿大、新西兰和爱尔兰公民可以直接获得15分
如果你想获得25分,你必须参加雅思考试
2 有关qualification可以参阅
http://www.engineersaustralia.org.au/shadomx/apps/fms/fmsdownload.cfm?file_uuid=04468945-0387-4232-9F84-BF860CE05416&siteName=ieaust
用国内证书认证EA需提供教育部学位认证 可参阅
http://www.cdgdc.edu.cn/
3 担保不了解

国内工程学学士,硕士
美国工程学硕士博士,
博后快满一年。
想携妻子办澳洲技术移民,可能要个人申请,或者地方政府担保
但也在尽量找工作和雇主担保,但要做坏的打算。。
有几个问题:
1。是否要考雅思?美国的学习经历不能代替英语考试吗?
2。Australia Engineering 的技术移民资格评估
按我的求学背景,我能算哪一种申请人
non-recognised qualification
还是
accredi... 阅读全帖
I*B
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来自主题: HongKong版 - job posting for a friend
a top IB is looking for a technologist in HK. Specifically, they are looking
for people with local equities experience to provide data support for
equity program trading.
If you are interested, send me your resume on bbs. I will see if I can
forward some to my friend.
x******g
发帖数: 33885
41
来自主题: Boston版 - 美国人眼里最好最理想的工作
看看吧,评论一下吧:
Rank Title Midlevel Income
1 software engineer $87,000
2 mathematician $94,000
3 actuary $87,000
4 statistician $73,000
5 computer systems analyst $77,000
6 meteorologist $85,000
7 biologist $74,000
8 historian $63,000
9 audiologist $63,000
10 dental hygenist $67,000
11 sociologist $70,000
12 accountant $60,000
13 paralegal assistant $47,000
13 physicist $106,000
15 financial planner $101,000
16 philosopher $61,000
17 occupational therapist $70,000
18 parole officer $47,000
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g******4
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Suburban-Schools-Radon-Report-Sparks-Concern-279380642.html
"It could be 20 years from now when our children are adults and they come
down with lung cancer or other health effects," Cooper said.
According to the EPA, radon problems in schools are often remedied by
increasing ventilation, however, in some cases that can actually make the
existing problem even worse.
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swatcomm
..... As a member of the American Association of Radon ... 阅读全帖

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【 以下文字转载自 JobMarket 讨论区 】
发信人: JuneEight (), 信区: JobMarket
标 题: 【波士顿】全职技术员/博后-药物研发相关的小鼠实验
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon May 9 14:25:30 2016, 美东)
主要工作是小鼠脑中接种肿瘤细胞及后续的监控、监测。Title可以是技术员,也可以
是博后。
本项目是与药企合作项目,对于申请者之后找工业界的工作会有帮助。
项目启动时间紧迫,所以优先当地的申请者,且只考虑有相关经验的申请者。
工作单位:Brigham and Women's Hospital
工作地点:Longwood medical area。
有意者请直接通过BWH申请,申请链接:
https://partners.taleo.net/careersection/jobdetail.ftl?job=3017
Vy0Utcf5HhI.gmail
详细说明:
Job Description
TECHNICAL RESEARCH ASSISTANT II / 40 HOURS / DAY / BWH - NEUROLO... 阅读全帖
b**********8
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请问各位,有谁知道这两个职位的区别吗? 谢谢了,不知道对工资有什么影响?
十分感谢
g******4
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http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/local/Suburban-Schools-Radon-Report-Sparks-Concern-279380642.html
"It could be 20 years from now when our children are adults and they come
down with lung cancer or other health effects," Cooper said.
According to the EPA, radon problems in schools are often remedied by
increasing ventilation, however, in some cases that can actually make the
existing problem even worse.
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swatcomm
..... As a member of the American Associat... 阅读全帖
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请问亚特兰大的附近的大学或college,有没有MT(medical technologist) 或者 CLS(
clinic lab scientist) 的certificate 培训。谢谢。
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613
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比如这片
6/22号的
Andrea Leung and Varun Shiva Goel were married Saturday at the National
Building Museum in Washington. Pandit Muralidhara Y. V. Bhatta, a Hindu
priest, officiated.
Mrs. Goel, 30, is a program examiner at the White House Office of Management
and Budget in Washington and is working with the Democratic staff of the
House Budget Committee. She graduated from Oberlin College and received a
master’s degree in public administration from George Washington University.
She is a daughter of Hui... 阅读全帖
l*****o
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感谢 TylenTown 和其他泽西网友的支持!老潮这里来的不多,希望facebook上见面。 http://www.facebook.com/#!/yingchao.zhang
俺的自我描述!
a scientist by education; a technologist by profession; a businessman in my
brain; at heart lives a musician
俺毕业于中科大,在美国石溪大学得到高能物理博士,哥大做过博士后,吹牛的话,可
以说是杨振宁、李政道的弟子(其实不是,但的确听过他们的课),嘿嘿。的确没有上
过MIT。
f*****y
发帖数: 102
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【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: fakeguy (假日), 信区: Military
标 题: 白宫发信要求电话谈论梁警官的Petition,有人收到吗?
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed May 20 16:58:23 2015, 美东)
给了个连接 sign
https://www.whitehouse.gov/webform/join-conversation-community-policing
Over the past few months, events in cities like Ferguson and Baltimore have
grabbed the nation's attention, and emphasized the importance of strong,
collaborative relationships between police and the communities they serve.
This has been reinforced by the recommendations from t... 阅读全帖
f*******2
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Are Qualcomm Layoffs a Disaster for San Diego — or an Opportunity?
http://www.xconomy.com/san-diego/2015/07/27/are-qualcomm-layoff
Jeff Belk
After years of strong corporate and financial growth, the pace of change in
the wireless industry has forced a massive global layoff at San Diego-based
Qualcomm (NASDAQ: QCOM. If the wireless giant had only 1,000 employees, a
layoff of 150 folks would not be big news. But with a worldwide payroll of
31,000, and a planned layoff of up to 4,700 people, the im... 阅读全帖
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