c*m 发帖数: 1114 | 1 大多数GPS的traffic功能只作用在high way上,local是没有的。
很多情况下它就是叫你去local兜几个口再回到high way上,如果traffic不是非常严重
的话你兜一下可能还不如慢慢在High way上挪来的哦快。如果你熟悉local的话traffic
功能至少可以告诉你路况,你可以自己选择新route. |
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g***s 发帖数: 3811 | 2 traffic function, Tomtom is much better than Garmin.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/NewJersey/31771945_0.html
"我觉得比较好用的几个功能:
line assistance
traffic提示以及 发现更快的路提示--告诉你新路会快多少,让你选择(garmin这点不
好,traffic根本不显示,直接给你选一条路,也不提示,不知道新版本是否改了)
每次选好目的地直接问你是否需要绕开toll,而不是需要到设置里面去改。
iphone上gps我用了用,不如纯gps好用。" |
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发帖数: 1 | 3 多谢你的回复。instruction上是这么写的,“In general, you do not need to
submit documentation relating to traffic fines and incidents that did not
involve an actual physical arrest if the penalty was only a fine of less
than $500 or points on your driver’s license. However, you must submit such
documentation if the traffic incident resulted in criminal charges or
involved alcohol, drugs, or injury to a person or property." ,律师说这只是
说明do not need to submit documentation,没说我可以隐瞒这样的traffic
violation不交代。我当然不想在犯罪记录的问... 阅读全帖 |
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a***d 发帖数: 1347 | 4 What happened today? Morning Traffic is horrible. How about afternoon
traffic? |
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a*****i 发帖数: 4391 | 5 【 以下文字转载自 NewYork 讨论区 】
【 原文由 ayanami 所发表 】
merrit parkway.
如果你有cablevision,应该在channel 13 or 15有专门的
Connecticut turnpike (i95) traffice report.
收音机上可以听WCBS 88(AM),traffic report on the 8th of every 10 minutes.
(不过如果当天晚上有Yankee的球赛,就煤系了)
或者bloomberg 113.0(AM), traffic report on the 5th of every 10 minutes. |
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a********y 发帖数: 687 | 6 Case updated.
The LA superior court online service is not functioning today. If the online
service is functioning for anyone else, please let me know.
I went through the lengthy telephone automated service, it indicted that if
I pay the bail amount, my tickets will be closed and DMV will be informed.
Does that mean I admit guilty if I pay today? It has been more than two
months and I have not got any mail regarding this ticket.
I actually want to fight in the court. Because the police said he ha... 阅读全帖 |
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b*******e 发帖数: 91 | 7 大家开车千万小心,这可不是闹着玩的。
HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective 01/06/2011
Please be extremely careful in your driving and car registration & insurance
matters. State of California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze
all of us hard to collect money.
Effective immediately, if you do not stop at the red light, be ready to pay
$436 in fines or if you pass a school bus with flashing red signals, you
will be charged $616. The state of California is going for blood, so be
extra carefu... 阅读全帖 |
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e*******y 发帖数: 5613 | 8 比如我看google map的online traffic 我应该怎么区分一条高速的两个方向呢?一般
我都是根据经验猜哪条线是
traffic的方向,哪边是against traffic的方向。。。
人傻问题笨勿怪~ |
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P*****a 发帖数: 629 | 9 Hi, All
I just finished my on-line traffic school, and sent out my court fee. Now
the ticket status is:
Citation Number:
XXXXXXX
Law Enforcement Agency:
California Highway Patrol
Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Court: Long Beach Courthouse
415 West Ocean Blvd., Long Beach, CA 90802
(213) 742-8809
Violation Date: 01/01/2011
Initial Due Date: 03/10/2011
Case Status: Traffic school
Disposition: 04/30/2012
Last Action: Traffic school
Last Action/
New Appearance Date: ... 阅读全帖 |
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r*****t 发帖数: 712 | 10 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: rootkit (rootkit), 信区: Automobile
标 题: LA超速罚单上了网上驾校,Case Status:Traffic school
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 10 18:16:21 2012, 美东)
Case Status: Traffic school
Disposition:
Last Action: Traffic school
Last Action/
New Appearance Date: 10/15/2012 in TIP
这个到底算法院收到了certificate了吗?谢谢! |
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z******i 发帖数: 144 | 11 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: zhangkui (sunflowerhx), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 刚考的加州 traffic school 有2 off coupon 其他州均可以考
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 18 14:36:52 2013, 美东)
昨天刚考的traffic school,
http://www.gototrafficschool.com/default.aspx
所有州都可以考,我本人选的是加州, 进去网站,注册一下就可以了,里面有三个选
项,直接选最便宜的traffic school就可以了,9.5$,接着可以输入coupon
Referral Code"X52-M25-56B" 可以减去2美元
注册完以后就可以开始了,里面有十几个章节,你没必要看,每个章节以后有三道练习
题,这个对错没有关系,错了回去再做就可以了,结束以后,就可以直接做final exam
, 这个最重要的,要有70%的正确率才能pass。大概就25道题目,很简单,不计时间了
,你可以这网上google答案,我把我做... 阅读全帖 |
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z******i 发帖数: 144 | 12 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: zhangkui (sunflowerhx), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 刚考的加州 traffic school 有2 off coupon 其他州均可以考
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Jul 18 14:36:52 2013, 美东)
昨天刚考的traffic school,
http://www.gototrafficschool.com/default.aspx
所有州都可以考,我本人选的是加州, 进去网站,注册一下就可以了,里面有三个选
项,直接选最便宜的traffic school就可以了,9.5$,接着可以输入coupon
Referral Code"X52-M25-56B" 可以减去2美元
注册完以后就可以开始了,里面有十几个章节,你没必要看,每个章节以后有三道练习
题,这个对错没有关系,错了回去再做就可以了,结束以后,就可以直接做final exam
, 这个最重要的,要有70%的正确率才能pass。大概就25道题目,很简单,不计时间了
,你可以这网上google答案,我把我做... 阅读全帖 |
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s****a 发帖数: 6521 | 13 我手里的单子是这么写的:
2. You are eligible for traffic violator school for a confidential
conviction if:
a. You are not presently assigned to or attending a traffic school program
and,
b. You have not attended any traffic school program on a citation issued
within 18 months of the issue date of this citation and,
c. You have a valid driver's license and,
d. You have a commercial driver's license and you were cited on or after
January 1, 2013, in a noncommercial vehicle. This conviction will be made
public... 阅读全帖 |
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V**D 发帖数: 2869 | 14 traffic时间从dowantown 走要避开某些traffic路段,俺一般是走10号最右边道然后从
101杀进downtown,从arcadia st出口一直开到broadway 转3rd St上110就避开downtown
这一段的traffic.
这样可能缩短至少15-20分钟时间。 |
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I*******g 发帖数: 7600 | 15 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: IFloating (Floating Freely), 信区: Military
标 题: 霉地最好的工作是Traffic court 的法官
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 28 19:51:19 2015, 美东)
麻痹的, 今天5点多起床就是为了赶在早一般的traffic court 过招。
排在了前几位,
8电0左右, 法官晃晃悠悠进来了,开始受理各种罚单,
每念一个罚单都高声读出来, 说此罚单很贵,你要不要 fight?不要就减少,还有
traffic school 可以上。
晓之以理,动之以情,快点plead guilty.
麻痹, 他为什么这么煽情让你认罪啊?
难道如果你不认罪, 下次fight可以赢的把握大吗?
这个逼一个早上收了那么多钱, 不费力气, 不需要动脑子,体力。财源滚滚啊。
老子今天认罪罚单从500降到300了。 |
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a*****i 发帖数: 4391 | 16 merrit parkway.
如果你有cablevision,应该在channel 13 or 15有专门的
Connecticut turnpike (i95) traffice report.
收音机上可以听WCBS 88(AM),traffic report on the 8th of every 10 minutes.
(不过如果当天晚上有Yankee的球赛,就煤系了)
或者bloomberg 113.0(AM), traffic report on the 5th of every 10 minutes. |
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p*5 发帖数: 16204 | 17 【 以下文字转载自 Automobile 讨论区 】
发信人: pH5 (依然人来人往), 信区: Automobile
标 题: 问一下纽约traffic ticket上法庭的问题
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Nov 23 15:43:56 2010, 美东)
前段时间给警察抓了一次,说我improper right turn,行进路线详见图1。 说我turn
from middle lane, 而且illegal crossing single white solid line。当时刚下高速
,ramp只接到local drive的middle lane上,换右lane再右转的距离不多,看起来像是
直接从middle lane转。我其实尽早减速而且换到右lane了,但是警察躲在那里专门抓
这个,只要是高速下来右转的,不管怎么转,都被抓。
罚金100多,和cell phone, safe belt violations同档。
想问问对纽约traffice ticket有经验的同学:
1. 这个有没有points? 警察没说是不是就没有?还是所有traffic ticke... 阅读全帖 |
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m*******a 发帖数: 192 | 18 【 以下文字转载自 Living 讨论区 】
发信人: maladonaa (hello), 信区: Living
标 题: 拿到一个 traffic ticket. 要不要fight
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Dec 5 01:37:06 2011, 美东)
真是不走运,拿到一个traffic ticket (violence of signs), 比我实际的 violence
要轻 (illegal right turn on red). 现在的bail是$235, traffic school $290.
要不要fight? 万一lose, 罚款会更重吗? 另外这是本人第一个ticket。请教有经验
的同学。谢谢。 |
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P*****a 发帖数: 629 | 19 Hi, All
I just finished my on-line traffic school, and sent out my court fee. Now
the ticket status is:
Citation Number:
XXXXXXX
Law Enforcement Agency:
California Highway Patrol
Name: XXXXXXXXXXXXXXX
Court: Long Beach Courthouse
415 West Ocean Blvd., Long Beach, CA 90802
(213) 742-8809
Violation Date: 01/01/2011
Initial Due Date: 03/10/2011
Case Status: Traffic school
Disposition: 04/30/2012
Last Action: Traffic school
Last Action/
New Appearance Date: ... 阅读全帖 |
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d**********r 发帖数: 502 | 20 the cop asked me go to traffic school, but the COURTESY NOTICE ask for 261$
for traffic school and 222$ for TO PAY For YOUR TICKET or REQUEST COURT
APPERANCE.
why traffic school option is even more expensive than pay for ticket or
court appearance? |
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B******e 发帖数: 5730 | 21 After you go to traffic school, your case is dismissed. No need to go to
court.
If you go to court, the judge will first ask you to plead either
1. guilty. you get reduced fine (bail) and can go to traffic school
2. not guilty and go through trial
Judge prefers (1)
If you choose (2) and lose your case (very likely), then, usually you will
pay full amount of fine without a chance for traffic school. |
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H****w 发帖数: 1632 | 22 Here is what the traffic school told me two years ago and it works for me.
They told me if I hurry up paid and signed up within 30 days from the last
traffic school, Their computer might not have a record for the first one
and let me sign-up for the second time and it works when I did it.
Good Luck!
traffic |
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b****r 发帖数: 1272 | 23 ticket上写着1.交罚款 $230 2. 上庭 $230 3. AMOUNT DUE FOR TRAFFIC SCHOOL $283
小字写着这个$283是给COURT的,TRAFFIC SCHOOL另收钱。
所以如果上$19.95的gototrafficschool.com之后,这个$283到底还需要交么? 还是$19.95
TRAFFIC SCHOOL考试完了就算DISMISS了?
谢谢! |
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g********d 发帖数: 19244 | 24 要交的
上网上驾校就是比直接交罚款贵
ticket上写着1.交罚款 $230 2. 上庭 $230 3. AMOUNT DUE FOR TRAFFIC SCHOOL $283
小字写着这个$283是给COURT的,TRAFFIC SCHOOL另收钱。
所以如果上$19.95的gototrafficschool.com之后,这个$283到底还需要交么? 还是$
19.95
TRAFFIC SCHOOL考试完了就算DISMISS了?
谢谢! |
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s*****c 发帖数: 550 | 26 Okay, I have been to the Traffic Court in Santa Clara early this year for "
no turn on red" violation.
I first scheduled the court as you did. The judge is the law, you do
remember. On the day of court, it is kind of formal with ~60 people with
traffic ticket claims (as Judge Judy Show). The judge will ask you to cite
what happened that day and he will normally reduce the fine and with option
to go to traffic school to clear all the points. No police will show up that
day and you still need to p... 阅读全帖 |
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a***e 发帖数: 1140 | 27 fremont court 写着两个选择:on court,或bail out+traffic school。我如果选择
court了,如果失败了,还能去traffic school吗?
还有court offer night walk in。警察晚上不去的概率大吗? |
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a*****e 发帖数: 911 | 28 理论上是可以上traffic school。可是PA那个commissioner开庭时就说从现在起就不能
申请上traffic school了。 |
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w***y 发帖数: 6251 | 29 i c
还没有收到寄来的ticket, 所以还不知道有没有option可以 Trial by Written
Declaration/ traffic school. 警察给的ticket就写了一个上厅时间. 如果可以上
traffic school免点就不找律师了.
因为我听人说过, 如果有point保险会涨很多比律师费还贵//汗
就是罚几百块;如果是第一次罪还可以用traffic school抵消point。除非你是point多
到差不多要suspend你的驾照的话,我觉得不值得。 |
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b***z 发帖数: 2723 | 30 CALIFORNIANS
BE VERY CAREFUL OUT THERE!
THE LOS ANGELES TIMES HAS AN ARTICLE ON THE SUBJECT: "FLOORING IT ON CAR
FINES".
PASS IT ON TO YOUR FRIENDS AND ACQUAINTANCES !
Subject: Important Notice: HUGE California Traffic Tickets Fines Effective
01/06/2012
Please be extremely careful in your driving and car registration & insurance
matters. State of California is broke and they are trying hard to squeeze
all of us hard to collect money. Effective immediately, if you do not stop
at the red lig... 阅读全帖 |
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X***i 发帖数: 84 | 31 刚在网上把traffic ticket的罚款交上,忘了一并连traffic school的报名费也交了,
现在输入citation number就无法找到报名那项了。
第一次吃罚单,没啥经验,请问有没有什么办法可以申请上traffic school呢?
谢谢各位了。 |
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X***i 发帖数: 84 | 32 刚在网上把traffic ticket的罚款交上,忘了一并连traffic school的报名费也交了,
现在输入citation number就无法找到报名那项了。
第一次吃罚单,没啥经验,请问有没有什么办法可以申请上traffic school呢?
谢谢各位了。 |
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c*****e 发帖数: 3226 | 33 http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2012/03/riaa-and-isps-t
RIAA and ISPs to police your traffic starting July 12
By Megan Geuss | Published about 4 hours ago
During a panel discussion held for U.S. publishers today, RIAA chairman Cary
Sherman said his association and a number of ISPs—including AT&T,
Cablevision, Comcast, Time Warner Cable, and Verizon—will begin policing
traffic to crack down on piracy starting this summer.
The deal is not new, however—the RIAA and the participating ISPs ca... 阅读全帖 |
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f*******n 发帖数: 12623 | 34 1. 可能会扣你的州的分。不清楚
2. 最大成功率是做Trial by Written Declaration。如果输了可以再上庭争一次。而
且很多警察都不理Trial by Written Declaration;那样你就赢了。
3. 可以。每个traffic school收费都不同;还有时候会给你“折扣”。你到时候从他
说可以上的traffic school每一个都看看,选最便宜的那个。有时候他们的收费是不同
county收不同的。一般可以找到一些20快以下的。有时候甚至还有10快以下的。别忘了
上traffic school也要交多五十几快给法庭的。而且不知道对外州有没有用 |
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a*****0 发帖数: 3319 | 35 Got a ticket for stop rolling at stop sign. $297 fine.
Previously, I always attended a 6-hour traffic school, and got certificate
at the end of the class. I just took a look at the online traffic school,
which will give me flexibility of taking the class. But it requires to take
test in-person at an authorized testing center upon completion of the course
. Is it convenient?
Thank you very much, any recommendation of good traffic school is also
greatly appreciated. |
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g********n 发帖数: 127 | 36 I got one speeding ticket in Nevada last Christmas. I already paid the find
to the court. I called to check how to take traffic school to remove the
points. They told me to contact local DMV. My questions is the ticket has
been issued about 70 days, can I still take traffic school and remove the
points? Can I randomly choose California certified online traffic school?
Any suggestion will be appreciated. |
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r******l 发帖数: 10760 | 37 以前车保险是在MetLife,当时记得他们说如果我上过traffic school,可以降低保费
。最近换到AAA,我们的agent说除非有ticket或者50岁以上,否则上traffic school没
用。大家有用AAA的车保险的么?是不是他们家在加州都不管traffic school? |
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l*****n 发帖数: 577 | 38 Bad luck and got first ticket in life :(. Anyway, after paid the bait (with
traffic school included), when should I take the traffic school? anytime or
I need to wait for court to send an approval notice allowing traffic school
first? |
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l***n 发帖数: 64 | 39 第一张ticket, 理解不是很准, 请专家指教.
illegal U-turn. 想选择上traffic school避免记点.
是不是一定要出庭请求court批准才能选traffic school, 这样的话是不是court fee
和traffic school 都要交. |
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I*******g 发帖数: 7600 | 40 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: IFloating (Floating Freely), 信区: Military
标 题: 霉地最好的工作是Traffic court 的法官
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 28 19:51:19 2015, 美东)
麻痹的, 今天5点多起床就是为了赶在早一般的traffic court 过招。
排在了前几位,
8电0左右, 法官晃晃悠悠进来了,开始受理各种罚单,
每念一个罚单都高声读出来, 说此罚单很贵,你要不要 fight?不要就减少,还有
traffic school 可以上。
晓之以理,动之以情,快点plead guilty.
麻痹, 他为什么这么煽情让你认罪啊?
难道如果你不认罪, 下次fight可以赢的把握大吗?
这个逼一个早上收了那么多钱, 不费力气, 不需要动脑子,体力。财源滚滚啊。
老子今天认罪罚单从500降到300了。 |
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i****e 发帖数: 66 | 41 再找apt,挺喜欢redmond downtown,上班在seattle。可是听别人说进这样traffic 很
大。求大家说说实际怎么样。google map上说20分钟可以到。那加上traffic,30分钟
可能吗?
如果traffic很大,就建议住在哪里?要在桥的东面。 |
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s*******u 发帖数: 1855 | 42 求助: 9-10am, 5-7pm, i-90的traffic如何?比如, 从east gate
到century link,如果没有traffic,也就是15-20分,如果上下班期间,考虑traffic,大约
要多久啊?是不是比bus还要慢?
谢谢! |
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h********n 发帖数: 5148 | 43 谢谢这么详细的指教了. 我是不准备自己去了, 听了这么多建议.罚点钱是小事了,记上
点太麻烦. 请律师这边还算便宜很多. 不过自己还是要上庭. 我想要么就交钱了事了哈
...以后一定小心. 不过常常是碰到TRAFFIC, 客户又在另一边等, 心急呀. 不过牢记了
,安全第一.
搞到25了.我开44--警察叔叔蹲在路口看见的.我就去COURT,就说是FOLLOW TRAFFIC--
NOT GUILTY.法官就说OK啦.罚款少点,但是要加上COURT FEE.最后结果呢,差不多钱.好
处是,没有点.
是罚款信上说,我们不收点的,只要钱.罢了,从了吧.那些吸血鬼.
小时的车程,就说算了,不亲自去了.请了律师.250刀的费用.最后也是没有点.罚款130,
加上什么COURT FEE 250刀.总共花了我5-600.好处是,没有得点.我要是亲自去呢,就能
省那个律师费.不过律师说了,你是AAA会员吗?要是的话,可以申请100还是150刀的LEGAL
FEE补偿.我申请了.AAA寄来支票.好得省了点.
类似的东西,可是没有高速过TOLL的东东).从BOSTON一路开过去(I90),都是限速15... 阅读全帖 |
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y***m 发帖数: 7027 | 44 从 fairfax 到 Bowei, MD
1. 56 mins or 1 hour 50 mins in traffic I-66 E and US-50 E 41.0 mi
2. 59 mins or 1 hour 50 mins in traffic I-495 N 46.9 mi
3. 56 mins or 1 hour 40 mins in traffic US-50 E 41.5 mi
thx! |
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T******J 发帖数: 829 | 45 周末出门就拿张CITATION,心里愤懑。骂累格碧肋,这几天查了些东西,发现加州的
TRAFFIC VIOLATIONS & FEES, 高的离谱。
祝愿大家安全驾驶,新年好运。
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2010 California Traffic violations & fees.
Traffic Tickets Fines for (01/06/2010)
These do not include court costs!
Violation &
Total Fine Due
VC 12814.6 Failure to obey license provisions.
$214
VC 14600(A) Failure to notify DMV of address change within 10 days
$214
Note: The fine may be reduced with valid proof of correction.
VC 16028(A) Failur |
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d***t 发帖数: 44 | 46 记得那部当年获多个大奖的影片《traffic》吗?反毒品组织的命运让人觉得是那样单
薄而无奈,仿佛处于阻滞不前的traffic,进退两难。
事实上,世间凡人,有几个能规避人生的traffic?
从小不喜课本却爱画画,躲着画藏着画,可父母命难违,非考重点非拿前十,这样一直
到拿到博士,科目却是当年填志愿跟爸妈赌气说一辈子也不要学的--计算机。
一路苦笑,我这个CS的博士在软件公司说话毫无底气,抬不起头。
道理都懂,父母为我选择了条他们认为是最不会饿肚子的路,就跟当年很多高中同学的
父母让他们选择学医一样。我无话可说。
可是我的生活从此陷入最痛苦的尴尬:不爱本行,却因学位仿佛定型;工作上毫无灵气
,往上走似乎既没力又没戏;人刚过三十,觉得开条新路似乎有些晚,而继续这样的无
奈心又不甘。。。
选择人生另一半也一样。总记得曾听过的一段精彩脱口秀:“我知道自己永远不会遇到
那个心目中理想的人,因为那个人正和我一样待在家里;我们不去酒吧、剧院和网上聊
天,叫我们如何想遇?”我当时听了大笑,can't stop,一直笑出了眼泪。。。
这样说也许只是我懒;这样说也许会遭“站着说话不腰疼”的斥讽;其实, |
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I*******g 发帖数: 7600 | 47 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: IFloating (Floating Freely), 信区: Military
标 题: 霉地最好的工作是Traffic court 的法官
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Aug 28 19:51:19 2015, 美东)
麻痹的, 今天5点多起床就是为了赶在早一般的traffic court 过招。
排在了前几位,
8电0左右, 法官晃晃悠悠进来了,开始受理各种罚单,
每念一个罚单都高声读出来, 说此罚单很贵,你要不要 fight?不要就减少,还有
traffic school 可以上。
晓之以理,动之以情,快点plead guilty.
麻痹, 他为什么这么煽情让你认罪啊?
难道如果你不认罪, 下次fight可以赢的把握大吗?
这个逼一个早上收了那么多钱, 不费力气, 不需要动脑子,体力。财源滚滚啊。
老子今天认罪罚单从500降到300了。 |
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r****s 发帖数: 179 | 48 I am looking for a good solution for logging and monitoring massive network
traffic.
Does anyone have experience in this area or know good solutions?
Looks like the best way is to replicate the traffic to a dedicated logging
server to avoid
impacting the performance of the traffic receiver. Any better idea?
Thanks |
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r****s 发帖数: 179 | 49 I am looking for a good solution for logging and monitoring massive network
traffic.
Does anyone have experience in this area or know good solutions?
Looks like the best way is to replicate the traffic to a dedicated logging
server to avoid
impacting the performance of the traffic receiver. Any better idea?
Thanks |
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x*********n 发帖数: 28013 | 50 BGP or EBGP is the only protocol works with different AS.
so when you got BGP, you can advertise your internal network to public, most
time, when you are running ospf, it would be much easier for your ISP to
know which network we should advertise out.
on the other side, ISP may have some filter by as-path list or community-
list to filter out by accepting routes from customer.
the traffic goes different way is very normal, simply the ISP PE got
different ways to deal with traffic.
the edge route... 阅读全帖 |
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