c***n
发帖数: 223 | 1 以传销为例。上线经营者的所有工作就是发展下线人员，被发展的下线必须向上线缴纳
报酬，上线的利润全部来自于下线的“纳贡”。而下线人员之所以还乐意缴费入伙，是
因为他们入伙之后也可以发展下线，进而从他们身上抽取好处。一个上线，手里下线越
多，报酬也就越高，因此最终形成金字塔形的上下线结构，财富由下向上集中。当老头
老太太资源用光、无人可以发展的时候，最底层、最新的下线就成了这个零和博弈的牺
牲者。
再来看科研，其实根本就是一个意思。实验室的老板，自己不用下bench，所有的
credit归他（实验室），工资是博后的三四倍。而维持老板神仙般生活的资源，是手下
博后拿着微博酬劳辛苦卖命而生产出来的数据（其实也是垃圾，就像传销里面的梳子、
保健品，或者比特币）。博后们乐意付出这样的牺牲，放低身价给老板当五六年奴工，
就是图将来也可以成为上线老板，发展自己的下线博后，继续压榨他们。于是在整个20
世纪科技大发展的时代，实验室数量爆炸性指数增长。当nih、nsf的投入逐渐封顶之后
，整个科研领域无法承受指数增长的实验室数量，学校招人速度不及下线被发展的速度
，导致大量下线薄厚无法成为上线PI。
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F*Q
发帖数: 3259 | 2 95%的薄后都是那种情况，underpaid, underappreciated,如果不是体制注定，谁愿意？
tm |
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 3 Why $70 Million Wasn't Enough
With Wall Street Rules Changing,
A Goldman Star Felt Underpaid;
Throat Lozenges for 100 Days
By MONICA LANGLEY
August 18, 2007; Page A1
New York
Mark McGoldrick earned about $70 million in pay last year -- nearly $200,000
a day -- placing bets using Goldman Sachs Group Inc.'s money. He was one of
Goldman's highest-paid employees.
Turns out it wasn't enough.
Internally dubbed "Goldfinger" for running one of Goldman's most-profitable
units, Mr. McGoldrick delivered a |
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d*****y
发帖数: 1073 | 4 There should be a definition of fraud triangle from your lecture notes, use
the elements to exam the situation and access the possibilities of its
presence.
"The three key elements in the fraud triangle are opportunity, motivation, and rationalization.
Common rationalizations include making up for being underpaid or replacing a bonus that was deserved but not
received. A thief may convince himself that he is just "borrowing" money from the company and will pay it back
one day. Some embezzlers te |
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l**j
发帖数: 651 | 5 大公司的螺丝钉 再苦也比24/7 underpaid千老强吧
您就别whining了 |
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j*********5
发帖数: 6221 | 6 公司是以盈利为目的的，postdoc是好听的说法，实际就是临时工，你跟公司里其他临
时工比就不算多了
学校博后是典型的underpaid，是非营利的以研究和发文章为目的的，自然钱少 |
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d***y
发帖数: 2567 | 7 re. In transportation 7 years. What's your salary range? really want to make
a comparison, because I feel like underpaid and want to change my job. |
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h***g
发帖数: 337 | 8 市场决定你的价值.假如你觉得underpaid,最好找下家.拿到三五个offer,你就可以找到
自己的位置了.
, |
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d***y
发帖数: 2567 | 9 We are pretty much alike. But I am nevering changing my job. My boss now pay
me almost dobule my initial salary. But I still feel underpaid. I earned
him 10-20X of my salary. I also want to startup a consulting firm in few
years after I get some connections and manager experience.
not
,
area in this region. anybody play golf? we can do this together! |
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Z**X
发帖数: 366 | 10 H1 tends to be underpaid... |
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d*n
发帖数: 137 | 11 来自主题: CivilEngineering版 - 民工的自留地 Strongly support.
As far as I know, a lot of chinese graduate students are terribly underpaid.
感觉，咱在美国的民工，工资待遇都不是很高，不管是MS, 还是PHD,也不管是
job
intern |
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G*O
发帖数: 687 | 12 来自主题: CivilEngineering版 - 民工的自留地 美国人的起薪也不是很高，但是他们升的很快，因为他们能给公司拉项目。这个对
中国人就比较困难了。
underpaid. |
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k****n
发帖数: 3803 | 13 ☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
bluenebula (~bleu nébuleuse~) 于 (Tue Jul 10 22:14:40 2007) 提到:
呵呵，
不如大家商讨自己怎么开公司吧。。。
不如把建筑学的也拉过来，这样就更全面咯。。综合性公司哈。
☆─────────────────────────────────────☆
yudabao (于大宝) 于 (Tue Jul 10 22:53:52 2007) 提到:
re, let's talk about it! i got my PE three years ago; area: transportation
planning/traffic engineering
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heing (RP大爆发！) 于 (Wed Jul 11 00:16:24 2007) 提到:
你是PhD吗？现在做pm了？不妨多聊下你的经历，给小dd小mm指点一下。
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h*******g
发帖数: 3 | 14 政府钱少不一定
我从业界大公司跳本地dot，工资涨了25% 当然我原来为了等驴卡underpaid了。
retirement) |
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a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 15 长篇文章：Why Do Americans Stink at Math?
When Akihiko Takahashi was a junior in college in 1978, he was like most of
the other students at his university in suburban Tokyo. He had a vague sense
of wanting to accomplish something but no clue what that something should b
e. But that spring he met a man who would become his mentor, and this relati
onship set the course of his entire career.
Takeshi Matsuyama was an elementary-school teacher, but like a small number
of instructors in Japan, he taught no... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******y
发帖数: 896 | 16 我把自己这两个多月找analog电路设计的工作的经历写下来，希望对大家有
帮助。
先说说我面试的公司，我在7月初开始修改简历，然后把简历放到网上，期间收
到了这些公司的面试，AMD, NXP, Cirrus Logic, Intel, Intrinsix, Micrel,
Zarlink，3家小公司M/R/S.其中只有一个公司把我拒了，拿到了其他全部公司
的offer。另外拿到了TI和Qualcomm的on-site的面试机会，不过没时间去了，
就婉拒了。另外Atmel完成了电话面试之后说会给我消息，不过我已经没法等
了。还有一个比较奇怪的Analog Device的面试，他们没有工作位置，但是一
个部门的经理对我做的项目感兴趣，给我电话聊了一下。
下面我讲讲面试的一些经历，但愿对你们找工作有帮助和提醒。
==============================================================
NXP
- 这个工作位置是由猎头介绍的。
- 我去面试之前这个猎头发了一个面试的schedule给我，里面列出来了每个面
试官的名字，并且还有他们会问的侧... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******y
发帖数: 896 | 17 我把自己这两个多月找analog电路设计的工作的经历写下来，希望对大家有
帮助。
先说说我面试的公司，我在7月初开始修改简历，然后把简历放到网上，期间收
到了这些公司的面试，AMD, NXP, Cirrus Logic, Intel, Intrinsix, Micrel,
Zarlink，3家小公司M/R/S.其中有一个公司把我拒了，拿到了其他全部公司
的offer。另外拿到了TI和Qualcomm的on-site的面试机会，不过没时间去了，
就婉拒了。另外Atmel完成了电话面试之后说会给我消息，不过我已经没法等
了。还有一个比较奇怪的Analog Device的面试，他们没有工作位置，但是一
个部门的经理对我做的项目感兴趣，给我电话聊了一下。
下面我讲讲面试的一些经历，但愿对你们找工作有帮助和提醒。
==============================================================
NXP
- 这个工作位置是由猎头介绍的。
- 我去面试之前这个猎头发了一个面试的schedule给我，里面列出来了每个面
试官的名字，并且还有他们会问的侧重... 阅读全帖 |
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h*******y
发帖数: 896 | 18 我上个月发了个找工作的帖子之后，
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/EE/31235757.html
想到还有些东西可以补充一下；另外这期间还收到了一些朋友的留言和email，
其中不少是刚刚毕业新生的一些问题，所以我下面就再后面叽叽歪歪一下analog
的学习和找工作经验，以配合我佛的大无畏精神。
我叽歪的这些东西，有很多其实是我当时找工作和学习过程中想了解，但是苦于
找不到的，现在写下来，希望对大家，特别是还在学校里的学生有帮助和提醒。
当然，这些主要适用于非牛校，非牛人的情况。
==============================================
言归正传，一些关于找工作的一些事情
- 关于猎头，我找工作的时候，收到了很多猎头的电话，并且我很多on-site的面
试机会 都是从猎头那里来的。我感觉猎头对我找工作帮助还是挺大的，猎头和
我们应该是互 惠互利的关系。因为他们如果他们成功帮一个公司招到人的话，
会从公司里拿到佣金。并且，你的工资待遇越高，他们拿到的钱也越多。从这个
角度讲，猎头其实是会尽很大努力来帮忙的。
- ... 阅读全帖 |
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j*****g
发帖数: 98 | 19 来自主题: Engineering版 - 年末牢骚. Sounds that you are underpaid. Which field are u working in civil
engineering?
Where do you work? I know some friends, not licenced yet, have the starting
salary higher than 55k in Mid-west area. Currently, there are lots of
opennings in big companies, like my company. If you want to jump, it is the
right time to move. |
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g******s
发帖数: 3647 | 20 来自主题: Engineering版 - 年末牢骚. underpaid, sounds like new grad to me
PERM |
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w***e
发帖数: 232 | 21 来自主题: Engineering版 - 申请建筑板 支持一下.
不过学建筑的还是回国挣钱吧, 在美国建筑师绝对是underpaid. |
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a*****e
发帖数: 2503 | 22 For CA, 60000? Almost the same as 45000 in TX.
Besides, you could not use your american friends' cases. We are normally
underpaid a little because of visa problem.
I know in our company, one Ph.D+ PE (Chinese, just got PE recently) earn 9000 lower salary annually than one B.S+E.I.T (American).
几个，都是国际学生，最低58000，高点 |
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h****s
发帖数: 911 | 23 FYI, at northeast, as APM or PM, if you can't make 75k to 100k, you are
underpaid, and that's the basic salary.
a government engineer III which equals to a level I senior engineer at
consulting company gets around 83k |
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h****s
发帖数: 911 | 24 BTW, there is a simple way to assess your salary. You should make 1/3 to
1/4 on your hourly rate. For instance if your company charge 120/hr to
your client, you should make around 30 to 40/hr. Otherwise you are
definitely underpaid. Don't tell me you don't even know what's your hour
rate.
can
energy to
flag
do |
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t******r
发帖数: 71 | 25 i am applied science major.
i am sick of working in lab and do not want to do research any more.
but i am not certain on giving up my science/engineering background complete
ly, and i feel technical writing is ok for me.
i thought of becoming an educator, too, yet as you know they are underpaid..
.
. |
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n****i
发帖数: 1772 | 26 By BRETT BARROUQUERE, Associated Press Writer
Tue Jan 1, 1:53 PM ET
FRANKFORT, Ky. - One of the biggest capital punishment cases to come before
the U.S. Supreme Court
in a generation was put together largely by a young, fresh-out-of-law-school
member of Kentucky's
overworked and underpaid corps of public defenders.
ADVERTISEMENT
ADVERTISEMENT
David Barron, 29, filed an appeal on behalf of two Kentucky death row
inmates, arguing that the three-
drug cocktail used in lethal injections across the c |
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y***n
发帖数: 27 | 27 SUMMARY
for a first year associate
1 20w+ salary in a midsize law firm
2 average 70hr billable hour per week
3 whatever you can name
ppl in big laws, are you guys so underpaid? |
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t**********6
发帖数: 565 | 28 经不住linkedin上recruiter的鼓动，前两天试了试水，On-site试了本地的一家中型公
司，面了6个人 1：1，各大dept manager, VP 加 hiring manager, 第二天给offer 了。
title类似, project manager, product development, 3周带薪假，奖金类似，基本工
资涨20%...
nnd, 果然严重underpaid....
关键，就一办公用品公司也愿意花这把钱找学机械的，给大家鼓鼓气吧， 机械应用太
广了。。 |
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t**********6
发帖数: 565 | 29 【更新一下】
这两天要离职了，很闲，给大家更新一下，希望提供一些可以参考的信息。
前段时间拒了下面这个offer， 没想到hiring manager 热情推荐同一个母公司下的另
一家子公司的另一个open的职位， 面试两轮，很爽快，第二轮面试第二天就给offer.
职位高一点，钱稍多一点，做的产品个人也感兴趣，级别和前面面试的hiring manager
一个级别，就从了。
薪水也公开出来，供大家参考。小硕+6年工作经验， 薪水9万多，不到十万， midwest
。。
和版上的牛人没法比，不过，做自己感兴趣的工作，又可以养家薪水，我还真的越来越
喜欢ME了。。。
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司，面了6个人 1：1，各大dept manager, VP 加 hiring manager, 第二天给offer 了。
title类似, project m... 阅读全帖 |
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M****s
发帖数: 47 | 30 往往理想总是美好的...
如果你也在这个领域做过，不妨问问认识的人，fresh PhD，不管有没有绿卡(一大堆美
国人也做合同工)，能不能拿到至少５０。
当然也可能包括我在内所有我了解到的人全部underpaid了. |
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j**y
发帖数: 24 | 31 是啊. 我是想知道在密西根是不是被 underpaid了,能不能再要高点, 还是就是有这么
惨. |
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j**y
发帖数: 24 | 32 金属加工特别是热锻造没有器件CAE那么精细复杂.也许要不到那么高的工资. 做做设计
还好,到shop floor上环境恶劣工作苦累. 在美国我好像没见到中国人做这一行的.也不
知道是不是underpaid了. |
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A***n
发帖数: 8859 | 33 必然是Underpaid了
但是如果暂时没有其他选择，
先接受了再找吧
底特律这样的工作不愁 |
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m****u
发帖数: 275 | 34 I think he was underpaid because of his qualifications. A regular AP is paid
around 100k at Umich. He was appointed as "instructor", a title lower than
AP.
dental |
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b******m
发帖数: 222 | 35 she went to texas? I thought she went to washington. 800/day is underpaid.
Practice..给她800/天。。她还说underpay了。说market price是1000. |
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 36
http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/People_with_Jobs_as_Physici
hehe, i'm sure the cardiologist and plastic surgeons feel they are seriously
underpaid. When i was a resident, one of my adviser was a Canadian, he came
to US to work on a NAFTA visa - have to renew every year. he was so dumb
that he let go of high salary, left family behind, just to come to teach in
the US and was genuinely happy with a teach hospital salary. What a true
soldier of the internationalist. better than 白求恩 |
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L****n
发帖数: 12932 | 37
http://www.payscale.com/research/CA/People_with_Jobs_as_Physici
hehe, i'm sure the cardiologist and plastic surgeons feel they are seriously
underpaid. When i was a resident, one of my adviser was a Canadian, he came
to US to work on a NAFTA visa - have to renew every year. he was so dumb
that he let go of high salary, left family behind, just to come to teach in
the US and was genuinely happy with a teach hospital salary. What a true
soldier of the internationalist. better than 白求恩 |
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e***y
发帖数: 262 | 38 I just got an offer in bioinformatics. My offer is much lower than $90K.
me,PhD in biostat, Am I underpaid? |
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v*x
发帖数: 1370 | 39 1. if you are seeking faculty position, post-doc is a must for most phd.
2. post-doc is not necessarily underpaid. i was asked to interview a post-doc
last month. it's quite awkward that the hiring manager and direct-
report are in separate divisions. So they ended up overpaid a post-doc at >$
88000. And that guy was so lousy that i think an undergraduate can do a
better job. |
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r********r
发帖数: 352 | 41 I think if that's your goal, you should say you want to go to academia after
graduation. mostly that requires pharmD+phD, or PharmD + 1 or 2 year
residency or fellowship. I think if you want to do research, you should
focus on research. In the real world, clinical or hospital pharmacist spend
most of their time on patient care.
By the way, I was interested in clinical professor career path, I have heard
a lot about them being underpaid. Today, a faculty in my school told us a
clinical professor' |
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w**********6
发帖数: 1 | 42 Feel highly underpaid compared to the $600,000 average bonus of GS? Please
read the article of NYmag of last year's bonus distribution.
http://nymag.com/nymetro/news/bizfinance/biz/features/15197/index.html?imw=Y
In short:
The Goldman Sachs Diet
If the firm split its potential $11 billion pie equally among all 22,000
employees worldwide, they’d each get $500,000. But that’s not how it works.
The Big Piece
There are 250 or so partner managing directors, each of whom would receive
an average bonu |
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z***i
发帖数: 212 | 43 I think everyone just gets his fair share and in most scenarios the best he/
she can get. So if you are envious about other people's compensation, just
go ahead and find the company that can also pay you that much. If you think
you are underpaid, you can just try to find another employer who can pay you
more. |
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c***1
发帖数: 652 | 44 这个200k到300k究竟是哪儿传出来的？还是我被underpaid了？？
phone
觉得干的基本 |
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t********a
发帖数: 810 | 45 sigh, comparing to people in the industry, we wall street people are so
underpaid (say if you compare IB VPs to VPs on main street). |
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a********h
发帖数: 819 | 46 good to know that i am not underpaid.
so if i am getting paid 300K working 9-5 hours (not in NY),
not a good chance to move to a hedge fund and make much more?
I think view is important, but you still need model to tell the relative
differences between loans and give price indications, so I also wouldn't go
to the other extreme and call it useless. |
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a********h
发帖数: 819 | 47 good to know that i am not underpaid.
so if i am getting paid 300K working 9-5 hours (not in NY),
not a good chance to move to a hedge fund and make much more?
I think view is important, but you still need model to tell the relative
differences between loans and give price indications, so I also wouldn't go
to the other extreme and call it useless. |
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B**********n
发帖数: 57 | 48 Bonus process is complex. Just a few random points
1. It is a whole year relationship building story - if your # comes as a big
negative surprise for you, you need to think about if there is something
wrong between you and your manager
2. Official process often starts around November - of course shops have
varying practice. Direct manager sends up proposal to his boss, and so on,
and so forth, pools it up, of course with top-down guidance on the pool size
. Sometimes there are even forced rankin... 阅读全帖 |
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t********t
发帖数: 1264 | 49 大妈觉得自己挣钱多离家近那是好事，自己偷着乐就行了。但你凭这点虚荣心这么忽悠
没经验的，有点不地道吧。现在看看MBA宣讲会时有多少要往互联网挤，还有几个愿意
去投行，更别说投行IT，还front office risk，笑死人。现在有几个front office
quant拿个破硕士刷几个月题就能起薪20万的？flg大撒网每年得招多少人，每年有几个
能被投行fo选上？你拿这边top 25%跟flg的fresh拼工资拼工作时间。照你这么比flg前
1000个founder都可以退休自己开charity了。你可以调查一下这里的quant觉得自己被
underpaid的多还是像你这么心存莫名其妙感激的多 |
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n******t
发帖数: 4406 | 50 why do you guys care?
some girl gets more money than you while there are zillions of girl get paid
more money than you. As long as you do not know, you are as happy as a
idiot.
Now some random girl pops up, you think you are underpaid. The problem is
yourself.
to |
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