f**r
发帖数: 865 | 1 哪里哪里，语文很差的工科女伤不起啊。:-) 如果不嫌麻烦的话看原文
要好得多，翻译是因为我觉得如果因为没耐心看英文而错过了的话挺
可惜的。这种第一手资料对我这种没在米国上过中学的很有帮助...
其实孩子长大了也不一定会出问题，不过看看总是有备无患，将来万
一有什么问题心里就不慌了。 |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 2 很高兴你觉得有用 :-) 再续可能要等下个星期了，太长了 |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 3 nerd没关系啊，和其他的nerd扎堆就好了。
想到以前工作的一个公司，research team 附近的墙上贴着这么一幅画：
还挺cute的。:-) |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 4 嗯，这个作者挺牛的。艺术和电脑的双学位，领导web application
的潮流；现在在搞startup的投资，象reddit还有drop box最初都是
他们公司投资的... 感觉上是个全才。 |
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x*****i
发帖数: 4035 | 5 拍案惊奇中。。。teenager的思维真是神奇啊
下面这段太有启发了：
即使是在没人气的情况下，我想很多nerd也会和我做一样的选择。对他们
来说只有平均智商是件无法忍受的事。可是大多数孩子都会做这个交换。
对一半的孩子来说，平均智商就是一个进步。即使是在80％的智商水平
（假设智力可以量化的话），谁不愿意降个30％，换来所有人的仰慕和热
爱呢？ |
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P*********d
发帖数: 4064 | 6 呵呵 偶已经去读了。但是读了你的译文 觉得通顺多了。 理解的重点也不一样。。好
神奇。 ：） |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 8 （无责任翻译，第三部分... 还没完呢 :-)
为什么真实的世界对nerds们比较友好呢？表面上看来，似乎是因为
真实的世界里的住的是大人，已经成熟了，不会再互相找茬了。但是
我觉得并非如此。监狱里住的也是大人，他们可没少互相掐架。还有
主妇们形成的小团体显然也是如此；在曼哈顿的一些地区，女人们的
生活看上去就象高中的延续，具有同样琐碎狭隘的纠葛和心机。
我认为真实的世界最重要的地方不在于在里面生活的是成人，而在于
它非常广大，而且你做的事情会有真实的效果。这就是学校，监狱，
和一起吃午饭的女士们所缺少的。这些世界的居民被封闭在小小的气
泡里，他们无论做什么，其效果都无法逸出到气泡之外。这样的社会
会很自然地向野蛮的方向退化。形式取决于功能，但是他们没有功能。
当你做的事情会有真实的效果的时候，只会取悦别人就不够了。得到
正确答案的能力开始显得重要，这个时候nerds的优势就展现出来了。
我马上就联想到Bill Gates。他是臭名昭著地不擅社交，但是他的答案
是对的，至少从公司收入的方面来衡量是如此。
另一件真实的世界的不同之处是它十分广大。在样本足够大的情况下，
人数再稀少的少数派... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 865 | 9 hehe, 谢谢, 那我就没白忙啊。我在翻译的时候也常常注意到之前忽
略了的内容。:-P |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 10 现在要说到我为什么非常想把这篇文章转过来，而且为了吸引大家的注意
特别花了很多时间翻译：就是因为这个有关teenager逆反原因的理论。
说实话我以前一直对这个teenager的逆反期觉得很好奇，怎么我十三岁
的时候什么感觉也没有啊? 好象是错过了一个觉醒机会那种。:-) 如果是用
环境来解释的话，倒也说得通... |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 11 嗯，我的理解就是米国teenager对智力的重视，可能就和我父母还有
很多其他大人在我小的时候对体育才能的重视程度差不多 －－ 身体健
康，体育及格就行。那样想的话，如果从体育成绩的80％percentile
掉到50％，好象确实不是什么大事。:-P |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 12
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
这是现代版“何不食肉糜”，为什么孩子不和父母说，原文里说的很清楚了。 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 13 我觉得真正最有启发的是这个作者明明是英国人，当初刚开始看这篇文章
时候我还奇怪他难道先入为主假设英国和美国中学差不多。看到很后来
才发现原来他父母跟本站的绝大部分人一样是移民到美国，而且跟很多
老中一样把孩子送进一个号称不错的学区，结果根本不是那么回事。看完
这些更觉得父母得格外关心引导孩子怎么认识自己的学校同学 |
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s****r
发帖数: 5546 | 14 nod.我想本站的绝大部分人初中都不是在那种所谓非重点中学。即便是
很好的学校，回过头来想也觉得初中少部分同学的行为很像animal，和
高中大不一样。中国的nerd相对来说属于保护得很好，美国这个环境
太不一样了。 |
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 15 （无责任乱译，第四部分）
十几岁的孩子在社会里曾经有更活跃的地位。在工业化之前，他们都是
各式各样的学徒，有的在商店，有的在农庄，有的甚至在军队。大人没
有让他们建立自己的社会。他们是大人所在的社会里的初级成员。
在那时，十几岁的孩子似乎比现在更尊重大人，因为他们可以亲眼目睹
到在他们正努力学习的技能方面，大人们是多么内行。现在的大部分孩
子对父母在办公室里做的是什么基本一无所知，也看不到学校的功课和
他们成年后的工作有什么关系（事实上也确实没多少关系）。
如果说那时的十几岁的孩子更尊重大人的话，那时的大人也更需要十几
岁的孩子们为他们工作。只要训练数年，学徒就能帮很大的忙了。就算
是新来的学徒也能做送信扫地之类的事。
但是现在十几岁的孩子对大人来说没用了。他们在办公室里只会碍手碍
脚。于是他们在上班的路上把孩子们送到学校里去，就象他们在周末出
门前把家里的狗送到养狗场一样。
发生了什么呢？这里我们遇到了一个困难的问题。这个问题的起因也是
目前很多弊病的起因：社会分工的细化。随着社会分工越来越细，一个
职业需要的培训时间也越来越长。工业化之前的孩子最迟14岁就可以开
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发帖数: 865 | 16 嗯，我觉得第一代移民的比较大的一个困难就是我们对米国的学校生活
没有第一手的了解，而且很多十几岁的孩子还没办法很确切地说出自己
的感受。这种情况除了自己尽量be open以外，看看过来人怎么说的，
应该也会有些帮助。不过每个孩子的情况不同，所以也不能全信。 |
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w******a
发帖数: 181 | 17 很喜欢你的翻译，更喜欢你这种认真上网的风格。虽然个性差很多，咱俩都属此种网络
nerd：）
个人很赞同这个美国中学生的残忍就是无事生非吃饱了没事干闲的观点。有说法，美国
的基础教育差于其它发达国家。那个一个不拉下的目标，似乎是通过拉低优秀，而非提
高落后而实现的。当学习成了无所谓的事，孩子们总得整点有所谓的出来吧。
我也同意作者的解决之道：让孩子认识到这个popular与否真的无所谓，那都是些小孩
子的把戏，故作成熟，其实很幼稚。不少大孩子家长告诉过我，比起国内同龄人来，美
国小孩发育超前思想幼稚。虽然国内大城市小孩，也越来越美国化。
还有一点，我想国内传统的家长威严，并不是那么一无是处。
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f**r
发帖数: 865 | 19 谢谢，其实开始翻译的时候也没想到这文这么长。:-) 要说风气这个东西
真的是很奇怪，其实我初中的同学也大多不爱学习，重点高中的升学率
基本是零的，不过大家都玩得挺高兴，不记得有谁想要特别popular或
者bully别人。但是这边好象bully是普遍现象，我们买的贝贝熊系列书还
专门有一本讲这个。莫非米国人就是比我们天朝上邦野蛮些... :-P |
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w******a
发帖数: 181 | 20 我是这么理解的：即使大家不那么重视课业成绩，大多数人追求羡慕的还是一些需要通
过努力相对有客观标准的东西，比如爱学习的玩竞赛，爱运动的玩球类，爱文艺的玩唱
歌攒文字。即使什么也不学，大家也忙着呼朋引伴出去玩。除了一些所谓痞子，很少有
人对欺负别人有兴趣，没觉得那能带来什么满足感。
当然，这是25年前的古代情形。
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u*****7
发帖数: 746 | 21 我读完了以后的体会是，孩子们还是要多和社会早接触，不能被封闭在校园这所监狱里
。只有忙碌于真实社会，才不会太在意虚拟的校园社会。
文中说得很有道理，想想很多年前，孩子们十几岁就可以去做学徒的时候，好象没听说
什么青春期问题，现在的孩子们跟社会接触晚，太空虚了，精力无处释放，也感觉不到
自己的价值，问题就都出来了。 |
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u*********e
发帖数: 9616 | 22 美国学校学业看来是太轻松了，老师不好好教，学生也没动力学。 要是像中国，小学
就必须竞争上重点初中。上了初中就必须竞争上重点高中，然后拼高考。哪有那么多闲
工夫去拼谁更popular |
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r****t
发帖数: 10904 | 23 我觉得国内初中也是这样的，高中个因为高考要好些 |
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P******A
发帖数: 260 | 24 的确是好文,很确切地描述了这里的公立学校状况.
相对私校就好很多. |
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发帖数: 1129 | 27 好文！谢谢分享和翻译！
喜欢他后面的分析，很有洞察力。 |
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o*********l
发帖数: 1807 | 28 it depends on the stock volume. unpopular stock and out of money calls are
much harder to sell because there will have huge spread, you could always
sell it at a discount. |
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发帖数: 1417 | 29 没忽悠咱把，哈哈
Morgan Stanley Says Equities Are 'Crazy Cheap'
Global stocks are in the middle of a multi-year bull market that began in
March 2009 and will last for at least two more years, Morgan Stanley Smith
Barney's investment strategists said on Wednesday.
"One of the great investment decisions someone could make today is to be
invested in the equity markets, especially in the emerging markets," said
Charles Reinhard, Morgan Stanley Smith Barney's global investment strategist
at a press briefing ... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2136 | 30 By Using False and Incomplete Information, You Will Make Bad Decisions About
Gold and Silver
May 5, 2011 By Patrick A. Heller
Back in January 1980, when the Hunt brothers pushed up the price of silver
to $50, many politically well-connected Wall Street firms were facing
massive losses. Suddenly, the COMEX changed the rules for trading
specifically to punish the Hunts and help these Wall Street firms recoup
some of their losses.
Among the most outrageous rule changes was a prohibition against ne... 阅读全帖 |
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 31 $16B cash didn't stop it from going from 200B market cap to 20B, it's
expecting to have a loss for the year, how long will that $16B last with
loss going into the future? I don't see how can Nokia turn its phone
business around when it made the poor choice of going with Windowsphone, it
is rather clear that the future smartphone market will be dominated by
Android and iOS. Windowsphone wasn't popular before Android and iOS existed,
it sure as hell not going to become popular now. Basically Nokia... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 480 | 32 这个是说Greece 这次是不会default了吗?
http://www.cnbc.com/id/43449610
A restructuring of Greece's 340 billion euro ($481.5 billion) debt is not on
the agenda and would damage the country's credibility on bond markets, the
European Union's internal markets commissioner said on Saturday.
Forcing Greece's private creditors to take part in an upcoming aid package
would count as a restructuring and is not being considered either, Michel
Barnier told Europe 1 radio.
"This question of a restructuring ... is not o... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 1972 | 33 Reuters) - France and Germany, Europe's two central powers, clashed on
Wednesday over whether the European Central Bank should intervene more
forcefully to halt the euro zone's accelerating debt crisis after modest
bond purchases failed to stop the rout.
Facing rising borrowing costs as its 'AAA' credit rating comes under threat,
France appeared to plead for stronger ECB action, adding to mounting global
pressure spelled out by U.S. President Barack Obama.
Bond market contagion is spreading acro... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2310 | 34 (Reuters) - Greece's government struggled on Friday to agree tough labor
reforms that would appease both wary political leaders and irate lenders
faced with a rising bill to save the country from bankruptcy.
Athens is under pressure to wrap up talks on a bond swap and a 130 billion
euro bailout to avert a chaotic default, but hopes of an imminent deal faded
after euro zone finance ministers put off a meeting expected on Monday to
finalize the rescue.
The ministers instead may meet later next wee... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7948 | 35 http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/14/opinion/why-i-am-leaving-gold
Why I Am Leaving Goldman SachsBy GREG SMITH
TODAY is my last day at Goldman Sachs. After almost 12 years at the firm —
first as a summer intern while at Stanford, then in New York for 10 years,
and now in London — I believe I have worked here long enough to understand
the trajectory of its culture, its people and its identity. And I can
honestly say that the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have
ever seen it.
To put ... 阅读全帖 |
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l**********r
发帖数: 4612 | 36 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: wayofflying (小破熊), 信区: Military
标 题: 美元作为世界货币霸主的日子不长了 2012-03-27 07:47:02
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Mar 27 19:01:24 2012, 美东)
美元作为世界货币霸主的日子不长了 2012-03-27 07:47:02
http://theeconomiccollapseblog.com/archives/10-reasons-why-the-
10 Reasons Why The Reign Of The Dollar As The World Reserve Currency Is
About To Come To An End
The Economic Collapse, 26 March 2012
The U.S. dollar has probably been the closest thing to a true global
currency that the world has ever seen. For de... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 2007 | 37 http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/17/world/europe/greece-election/inde
Athens (CNN) -- The leader of Greece's center-right, pro-bailout New
Democracy party claimed "a victory for all Europe" after a first-place
showing in Sunday's parliamentary elections, promising that unpopular
austerity measures "will bring the country back to prosperity."
New Democracy's Antonis Samaras now finds himself facing a new round of
coalition talks, six weeks after a previous election that failed to produce
a government. ... 阅读全帖 |
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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 38 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: MB80528 (肥猫(Contrarian)[食MM而肥]), 信区: Military
标 题: Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Sep 17 16:23:48 2012, 美东)
Why I Am Leaving Goldman Sachs
By Greg Smith
March 14, 2012 "New York Times" -- Today is my last day at Goldman Sachs.
After almost 12 years at the firm — first as a summer intern while at
Stanford, then in New York for 10 years, and now in London — I believe I
have worked here long enough to understand the trajectory of its culture,
its p... 阅读全帖 |
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e***s
发帖数: 1188 | 39 znga
a survey of over 7,700 teens confirms "social gaming is as unpopular among
teens as we have ever seen"
hoho |
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发帖数: 8905 | 40 刚才可能被误删了
Adds details on president's expected plan throughout.)
WASHINGTON--President Barack Obama will call for a continued but limited
government role to backstop the U.S. mortgage market, as part of a strategy
to ultimately replace Fannie Mae (FNMA) and Freddie Mac (FMCC) with a bigger
private-sector presence, according to White House advisers.
In a speech Tuesday, Mr. Obama will begin making the case that a limited
government guarantee is needed to preserve access to the long-term, fixed-
ra... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 7021 | 41 【 以下文字转载自 USANews 讨论区 】
发信人: StanMarsh (ojo), 信区: USANews
标 题: 川总严正否认曾叫FBI停止调查Flynn
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu May 18 23:49:16 2017, 美东)
川总真性情，左媒双重标准，老欺负他。
欧巴马选前帮希拉里造势，口口声声骂Comey无故重开邮电门，要Comey快把案子结了。
欧巴明显干预司法，那时国会怎不去弹劾他?
Donald Trump had a one-word response when he was asked if it was true that
he requested James Comey shut down the federal investigation into Mike Flynn
In a press conference with Colombian President Juan Manuel Santos at the
White House Thursday, Trump offered his first public remarks... 阅读全帖 |
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J***K
发帖数: 140 | 42 感觉话题是不是跑偏了？我觉得更应该关注的是他的选股思路啊，2000/2001年他还是
只做多股票，回报也很好。他说自己是Graham式的价值投资者。
My strategy isn't very complex. I try to buy
shares of unpopular companies when they look like
road kill, and sell them when they've been polished
up a bit.
回报：
"in his first full year, 2001, the S&P 500 fell 11.88 percent. Scion was up
55 percent. The next year, the S&P 500 fell again, by 22.1 percent, and yet
Scion was up again: 16 pe... 阅读全帖 |
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发帖数: 11530 | 43 The new investment rules could cut off access to some foreign capital —
exactly the type of government intervention that scares businesses.
Chinese investment in the United States is already declining.
Investment plunged more than 90% in the first five months of 2018 compared
with the same period a year earlier, according to a report last week by
Rhodium Group, a research firm that tracks Chinese foreign investment.
The rules would also represent a major departure from the way foreign
investment... 阅读全帖 |
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a*******m
发帖数: 14194 | 44 Trump真是够二的，晃点完中国，晃点沙特。
前面大张旗鼓要制裁伊朗，又声称要维持油价不能暴涨，
让沙特带领OPEC增产，以填补空间；
结果，沙特答应帮忙了，Trump有waive 伊朗的制裁，
油价直接跌了20刀。
这也太坑爹了，把沙特当傻逼了。
这回OPEC要减产了，油价要反弹了。
'Duped,' 'tricked' and 'snookered': Oil analysts say Trump fooled Saudis
into tanking crude prices
https://www.cnbc.com/2018/11/15/trump-duped-saudis-into-tanking-oil-prices-
analysts-say.html?__source=yahoo%7Cfinance%7Cheadline%7Cstory%7C&par=yahoo&
yptr=yahoo
Oil markets analysts say it appears that the Trump administration tricked
Saudi Arabia and oth... 阅读全帖 |
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r**m
发帖数: 1825 | 45 Q3 13F Roundup: How Buffett, Einhorn, Ackman And Others Adjusted Their
Portfolio
[Benzinga]
Wayne Duggan
,Benzinga•November 15, 2018
The latest round of 13F filings from institutional investors is out,
revealing to the world the stocks that some of the richest and most
successful investors have been buying and selling.
Takeaways From 13F Season
Investors who follow particular fund managers can easily look up what each
was buying and selling in the quarter, but other investors may be more
i... 阅读全帖 |
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i****a
发帖数: 36252 | 46 no wonder that small white is unpopular, reply to boss' email saying you
were ok with that, indirectly accusing boss no-wind-up-wave, no-matter-
birth-wrong.
you need to 表态 otherwise boss will loss face. especially boss has asked
you to, so you must.
you can say you felt unease but after the small white apologized to you
and explained himself blah blah blah, you felt better, and you
understood he did not intent to, and did not realize what he said was
offensive |
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发帖数: 447 | 47 Is Marco Rubio stalling on immigration reform? The freshman senator says he
wants immigration reform to happen, just not too quickly By Jon Terbush | 5:
46pm EST
inShare
After pushing immigration reform, Sen. Marco Rubio is suddenly raising
concerns about the pending bill. Drew Angerer/Getty Images
A
s a bipartisan group of senators prepares to unveil a wide-ranging
immigration reform bill, a key Republican member of that group may be
putting the brakes on his own legislation.
Sen. Marco Rubio... 阅读全帖 |
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s**u
发帖数: 9035 | 48 Japan likely to replace leader next week
Associated Press / August 24, 2011
TOKYO - A former foreign minister announced his candidacy to lead Japan
yesterday just hours after unpopular Prime Minister Naoto Kan said he would
be out of the picture by early next week.
Tweet Be the first to Tweet this! .
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Kan has been criticized for lacking leadership after the March 11 earthquake
and tsunami and subsequent nuclear crisis, and survivors of the disasters
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s*****t
发帖数: 1994 | 50 Looks like whichever board kzeng became a BM, that board
would become very unpopular (except history), and the
other example is ChineseClassics.
Please mark this one, you have money that cannot be spent
anyway. |
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