j******4
发帖数: 2944 | 1 楼主说得好！
普选式民主是荒谬的，无论在东方还是西方。
中国的现有的领导选拔体制是适合的，但需要增加对权力的监督和制约。 |
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k******r
发帖数: 2300 | 6 说说看怎么“增加对权力的监督和制约”？是靠人大还是政协？ |
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S********8
发帖数: 4466 | 7 这是台湾另类意义上的“文革”，似乎方向还不错，起码各种声音都有，各种牛鬼蛇神
都出来遛遛，大家就有鉴别力了，长远来看，这种另类民主也可以扎根 |
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s******t
发帖数: 12883 | 8 中国之所以专制了五千年， 就是因为有一帮人天天唱专制的赞歌。 |
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 12 英国在建立第一个近代民主体制时也反复了上百年，每次反复都死人。
但英国民主的种子最终还是撒遍全球。
台湾将在不远的未来成为华人社会民主体制的一盏明灯！ |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 15 if the people don't have any right or vote to decide who gets into the
office, public opinion won't matter |
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b*******7
发帖数: 73 | 16 文里别字多,不是古意的.我会去一定深刻检讨.问化水平不够.要多学西. |
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 17 专制了五千年，人种筛选，活下来的习惯了专制。
对亚洲人来说，民主是彻头彻尾的洋玩意儿。复辟专制的念头时常作祟。
假如明天没了美国和西方，现在的日本，韩国等可能会放弃民主体制。
世界上只有美国和英国是海洋法体系，民主的种子深入人心，trust jury, not judge. |
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b*******7
发帖数: 73 | 19 英国的民主視验了几百年,后来在自己的土地上成功.但是鑼基上,这个并不能保正它在
东方经过几次反复就也能成功. 费律滨已经民注400年了, 看看那个国家现在搞的什末
样, 各个国家本什的文化不一样,就不能生办硬套.东方国家里,日本搞的算好的,但是日
本政府只能算是个美国的愧类垒.韩国的总统每个都是一下台就抓起来,要不就自进.是
选总统呢还是选犯人.嘿嘿 |
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 21 民主体制打80分，专制体制不及格，对P民来说。
程度的差别，没有100分的体制。 |
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b*******7
发帖数: 73 | 22 英国的民主視验了几百年,后来在自己的土地上成功.但是鑼基上,这个并不能保正它在
东方经过几次反复就也能成功. 费律滨已经民注400年了, 看看那个国家现在搞的什末
样, 各个国家本什的文化不一样,就不能生办硬套.东方国家里,日本搞的算好的,但是日
本政府只能算是个美国的愧类垒.韩国的总统每个都是一下台就抓起来,要不就自进.是
选总统呢还是选犯人.嘿嘿 |
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b*******7
发帖数: 73 | 24 英国的民主視验了几百年,后来在自己的土地上成功.但是鑼基上,这个并不能保正它在
东方经过几次反复就也能成功. 费律滨已经民注400年了, 看看那个国家现在搞的什末
样, 各个国家本什的文化不一样,就不能生办硬套.东方国家里,日本搞的算好的,但是日
本政府只能算是个美国的愧类,他子己怎模折腾最后都要主子来排板,那它的民主还有任
合義意吗? 韩国的总统每个都是一下台就抓起来,要不就自进.是选总统呢还是选犯人.
嘿嘿 |
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 25 各有各的优势吧。搞经济来说，还是专制体制有效率。社会稳定来说，民主好些。
P民是可怜，不过P民也是愚蠢的，很多都是愚蠢的愤青。搞起民主来，P民们肯定折腾
很多年。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 26 you think the officials in a dictatorship government, ex. TG, don't deserve
to be thrown into prison? |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 28 of course people are all selfish, that's why we can't trust a country to a
few selfish people, all the selfish people should have a equal right to
decide the overal direction of the country. |
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 29 民主法制公正的精神应存在于每个国民的头脑中，但东亚民族的传统文化里普遍缺少。
陪审团制的司法体系是教育国民本着民主法制公正的精神参与社会生活的重要手段之一
。民主不是形式上的。
当年日本明治维新照搬照抄英国大宪章，但司法还是大陆法体系，法官一人说了算。 |
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f****G
发帖数: 167 | 30 其实马克思主义，社会主义也是洋玩意，咱接受得挺好。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 31 isn't it kind of funny for mainland chinese to criticize japan, korea and
taiwan?? they all live a better life than mainland chinese |
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 32 这个本质是专制的，所以咱接受的好，甚至一拍即合。 |
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 33 What is the logic behind? Saudi Arabic people also live better lives than us |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 35 on what basis can mainland chinese critize these east asian countrie's
system then? do mainland chinese figure they have a better political system
than either japan, korea or taiwan?
us |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 36 A democracy built on dumb-dumb TW farmers and gangsters. Good luck to them.
It may well take them a hundred years to realize what a true democracy is.
By then, they will likely be the poorest country in the region, on the brink
of genocide. Long live the 'democracy' in TW:) |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 37 hmm... only weird thing is that mainland chinese are still trying to
immigrate to these countries, legally or illegally |
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 39 2010年了居然还有人看了日韩台就恨不得两脚发软，跪倒在地 |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 40 you are saying those people who immigrate are irrational idiots? hehe |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 41 May I ask which one of these countries truly achieved democracy?
Is it Japan, where so many of the senate seats are passed from father to son?
Or South Korea, where just about every president was sent to prison right
after they stepped down (how dumb
could the SK people be to have picked so many criminals into office)?
Or the Taiwan province, where democracy became a tools for one group of
people to persecute another?
system |
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l*********o
发帖数: 3091 | 42 打个比喻：
on Wall Street:
Jim Simons has a balanced system, yearly performance 30%. stable.
A gambling Hedge Fund has only one strategy, buy and hold.
The Hedge Fund may have 100% return this year. But it may close in a year
like 2008. In the long run, everybody loves Jim Simons fund.
Jim Simons Fund: 民主体制
The Hedge Fund：专制独裁
专制独裁体制没有止损机制,当顺应历史发展是可以发展很快，历史上的日本德国，现
在的中国大陆。但也可以举一国之力，将国家拖入万劫不复的深渊，二战的日本德国，
文革的中国大陆。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 11247 | 45 i didn't say they really achieved democracy, whatever the definition of true
democracy is. i'm not even against the argument that chinese are not
suitable for democracy, i'm just saying that mainland chinese don't have a
better system nor a better country than these places.
son? |
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f****G
发帖数: 167 | 46 专制的缺点是太依靠明君,要是来个毛二世,毛三世,...，咱会死得很惨. |
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I********e
发帖数: 1843 | 47 Not just better. Much better. |
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p********a
发帖数: 5352 | 48 如果我们搞民主，ANNUAL RETURN是1%，搞专制ANNUAL RETURN是5%
老美日本的民主 ANNUAL RETURN是2%
那我只好选择专制了，可以等我们实力和日美接近的时候再搞民主也行。 |
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Z**S
发帖数: 1211 | 50 When democracy becomes a mere tool of persecution, i.e. in TW,
it is worse than a soft totalism.
Because dirty jobs are done in the name of democracy, and because
there are dumb people (or people who benefits from social injustice)
who think democracy shit tastes better than anything else.
true |
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