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发帖数: 94654 | 2 是吗，好像planet of earth里说过，也许我记错了
这个只是依稀有点印象 |
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发帖数: 39815 | 3 planet earth说的是从最低点飞过去,差几千米 |
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发帖数: 115 | 4 Yes, because they have to save the ass of weakest clients before saving
themselves. At least that was the case in 1996 disaster. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 7 这个是记录,不是常规状态
要是比记录,直升机肯定赢, 不过没啥意义,不是常规状态 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 8 美国这边的guide也有乱带人的。Rainier上就不少。 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 9 飞到六千多米是没问题的
再上去就容易多了
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 15 至少配给氧气都可以带充足了
或者人自己爬，直升机半路扔氧气瓶 |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 18 扯
你看看rainier的rescue有几次用直升机的
不是高度问题,是你能不能找到合适的地方降落
看看当年Mt Hood black hawk down就知道了 |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 22 And weather condition... most of rescues were under very bad weather. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 23 一旦涉及到rescue了, 很少有简单的, 最好是别在那个situation里 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 24 所以一直奇怪为什么没有这样的登峰服务，世上愿意砸银子的富人多得很 |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 27 big mountain天气变化太快了
很可能上去的时候天气还好,但是时间窗不长,出了事情,延误了,天气就变了
有些事情是无法避免的,不过人为因素造成的事故还是能尽量避免 |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 28 Can you predict the weather precise enough now?
The weather changed within hours on high altitude... |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 29 when weather changes, just go back. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 30 ah? how?
上山的时候天气好,一天后天气变差, 按计划那时候早就登顶下撤了
可是有人意外受伤,所有人都耽误在那里等营救,营救工作要24小时以上才可能完成,这
种情况你怎么处理? |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 31 You are partially right, though.
Rob Hall (the guide) should turn back before 2:00 pm but he waited for Doug
Hansen (client) until 4:00 pm on May 11, 1996 and encountered a storm soon
after and both died. |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 33 An experienced guide should know how to handle it. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 35 not necessary to be true
那时候experimenced guide可能就俩选择:
1.大家一起等,有机会存活,但是也可能全死
2.把受伤的留下,受伤者必死,其他人活
你是guide你咋做?
很多decision不是我们坐在椅子上敲敲键盘这么简单的事情 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 38 对，因为rainier还是海拔低，而且guide多，路线成熟，所以也没出什么大事 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 39 不对，guide在平日training的时候就应该把这些有可能发生的情况都考虑过了。心里
头应该早有一个plan. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 40 ha, 平常训练固然重要,没有肯定不行
不过不等于平常训练能代替现场的决策, 现场情况远比平常训练中你能想到的复杂 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 41 真要出现什么亿万分之一的情况只能怨命不好了，能挪到哪步算哪步吧 |
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发帖数: 116 | 42 I am fine with whoever do whatever with their life or money;that's their
choice. But since such "reckless" behaviors may endanger the guide (though
they paid for the service but did they pay for the guide's life?), other
team members, and rescuers etc, I just cannot agree with such act and no way
respect the so-called "courage" or "determination". |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 43 You really want to read the book "Into Thin Air" to understand this.
It is impossible to consider everything before hand and taking no risks.
Then again, you won't climb Everest if you do not want any risk. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 44 Ingraham Flat上停直升机没问题，顶上的crater也可以。当然这前提都是天气好。不
过天气好也不需要直升机了 |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 45 直升机rescue是个很有争议的事情, 理想状况下是没什么问题,不过大部分情况都没那
么理想,尤其是雪山上
climber还是要有自救的知识, 至少可以延长时间等待救援,增大自己存活的机会 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 46 actually, minutes, hehe |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 47 If I decide to take the risk, I wouldn't complain about losing my life. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 49 oh yeah, simplest way is stay home and all troubles saved |
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