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发帖数: 4574 | 2 国内商业登山火起来了，这样的事故，纠纷也慢慢多起来 |
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h****m
发帖数: 405 | 4 严重同意！大部分事故都是发生在下扯， rappel的时候的。而且像他这种情况，能不
能安全下来就看运气了。就好象那个四川后生，运气比他就要好。 |
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i*****r
发帖数: 454 | 5 22w? 我好象记得 into the thin air提到是1w..难道我记错了?或者通涨的原因? |
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x******n
发帖数: 1328 | 6 我以前在一个地方看到过说尼泊尔那边收的钱比中国这边收的钱多，
这是北坡的死亡率高的一个重要原因。 |
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x******n
发帖数: 1328 | 7 那个人本人去爬不amazing，但相关的管理部门同意他这种情况的去
爬就相当amazing了 |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 8 In 1996, Napel charged US$10,000 for each person in the team but China
charged only US$15,000 for a team of any size.
From "Into Thin Air" |
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f*****e
发帖数: 57 | 9 That's only the permit. The guided service cost 65k USD per person. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 11 lack of training and experiences is not a ticket to death. it's just that
you have a much higher chance. even if he made it down alive doesn't justify
doing so. |
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x******n
发帖数: 1328 | 13 记得在某处看到一名言挺有意义的：
Be back safely is mandatory, summit is optional. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 14 我有一次上课的时候老师说
Americans 在世界登山界里是著名的pussy，非常注重安全
注重round trip的重要性，为了增加一点点安全概率要多费几倍的精力
好多国家出猛人，上去就行，下来不下来再说 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 16 yeah, home is mandatory, summit is optional |
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 17 Ed Viesturs
Getting to the top is optional, but getting down is mandatory. A lot of
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 18 I heard from mountaineering friends in Europe. There is more emphasis on
safety in US than there. One of the examples he gave is the bible. I suppose
it is a good thing. |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 19 yeah, we are all pussies, so what.
suppose |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 21 You are absolutely right.
"The 1996 Everest disaster refers to a single day of the 1996 climbing
season, May 11, 1996, when eight people died on Mount Everest during summit
attempts."
from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1996_Everest_disaster |
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发帖数: 2636 | 22 喜马拉雅式登山，都有fixed rope，再有guide，对本身的技能要求确实不高。很多人
被误导以为身体好，跟着guide走就可以了，缺乏经验和common sense
总听人说跟着guide去那种远远超过自己能力的climb，美国这边还好，guide会拒人。
碰上该据人还硬上的guide，紧急情况就是会出问题，guide也没办法。 |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 24 美国这边guide service也不是绝对安全的
听说过无数人跟着guide出事的例子了. 很多人以为跟着guide就安全. 实际上自己的安
全永远是自己把握. 自己没登山知识,还要勉强靠着guide去做一些自己能力到不了,或
者不努力就想做的事情, what's the point? |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 25 No one can guarantee your safety. You only can say it's safer to go with an
experienced guide. |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 26 嗯，就算每天训练长期训练，也可能是把出事概率从比如百分之10降到百分之五，降低
百分之五的概率，多付出500％（数据只是个例子）
登山没有绝对的安全，都是相对的
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 31 客流量太小
主要商业角度
电梯一会一趟一会一趟 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 33 那个受众就更小了吧
天朝主要是朝着开发旅游区的角度考虑的，heli ski能有几个人玩啊 |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 34 In the 8 climmers died on May 11, 1996, 3 were guides...
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 35 有经验的guide，因为太有经验了，比如别人出事概率是5%，他出事是1%
但是他比别人多出去10倍次数，那么，他出事的expected 次数也就更多了 |
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发帖数: 18987 | 36 这个氧气消耗的问题,可能还是个装备和经验问题,
在潜水中,氧气瓶上都有个表, 表示还有多少气, 总是要先留10%当备用,剩下的用掉一
半就该回去了, 他们登山的氧气难道没个METER么,
都花这么多钱了, 就不上个表? 可劲的吸氧?
就这一点来说, 这个高山协作公司在法律上可能会惹麻烦 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 37 Guides died because they have the most dangerous job in the world. |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 40 Are you kidding? The air is so thin on that altitude (1/3 of sea level)
that flying a heli is almost mission impossible. Though somebody had tried
and succeeded.
"2005 - Helicopter landing
On 14 May 2005, pilot Didier Delsalle of France landed a Eurocopter AS 350
B3 helicopter on the summit of Mount Everest[44] (without any witness) and
took off after about four minutes. (His rotors were continually engaged,
constituting a "hover landing", and avoiding the risks of relying on the
snow to suppor... 阅读全帖 |
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 41 好像有鸟类还能飞过去呢
人类还是比不上鸟啊，呵呵
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z*********n
发帖数: 94654 | 43 是吗，好像planet of earth里说过，也许我记错了
这个只是依稀有点印象 |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 44 planet earth说的是从最低点飞过去,差几千米 |
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B*******s
发帖数: 115 | 45 Yes, because they have to save the ass of weakest clients before saving
themselves. At least that was the case in 1996 disaster. |
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 48 这个是记录,不是常规状态
要是比记录,直升机肯定赢, 不过没啥意义,不是常规状态 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 49 美国这边的guide也有乱带人的。Rainier上就不少。 |
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m***h
发帖数: 23691 | 50 飞到六千多米是没问题的
再上去就容易多了
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