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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 2 Translation: French » Chinese (Simplified)
你先生牛尾？非常高兴地知道。
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发帖数: 986 | 4 比如雪莱的
Music, when soft voices die,
Vibrates in the memory
Odours, when sweet voilets sicken
Live within the sense they quicken
都是排偶，但是不能产生律诗的影响。 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 6 对，严格近体诗意义上的对仗当然没有，但可以通过轻重音、音节的调整，来达到抑扬
顿挫的音声效果。音步、韵脚这方面的调整同样可以达到排韵的效果，从这个角度说，
格和律是不能分离的。 |
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发帖数: 2024 | 7 Agree. I am wondering if fondlelotus and sarabande could talk about the
possible 格和律 of modern Chinese poetry a bit... :) So, what is the
difference between a prose and a poem besides poems can be broken into many
lines... |
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发帖数: 986 | 8 至于格律里的讲法，毕竟也要讲到韵。而英文因为它的读音轻重分明，音步又很整齐，
所以节奏在轻重相间上可以看出，而不需要借用韵脚来呼应。英文诗歌唱片多半会用
blank verse无韵五步格。如果英文诗歌写作者要达到庄严体，就根本就不用韵的。 |
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a***d
发帖数: 2374 | 9 Could you tell more about "庄严体"? What do you think on Sonnet? |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 11 谢谢科普
我有点糊涂了，那你说的“律”指得是什么呢？ |
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f*********s
发帖数: 986 | 12 帖子说的格律
我很赞同朱光潜先生的律的看法，第一，意义的排偶第二，声音的对仗。 |
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发帖数: 2024 | 13 I remembered reading some articles like fondlelotus said. Western poetries
are regulated by not ruled by the syllables and Chinese poetry should be
translated directly as "Shi". hehe. |
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x*****u
发帖数: 3419 | 14 我看到的一种说法是这样的－－
律诗中的格：平仄、字数、对、粘、对仗、压韵、起、承、转、合．
律：音律、声律、韵律 |
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发帖数: 986 | 15 谢谢你的资料的补充
所以还是有点觉得，在英文诗歌中没有格律而言。 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 17 我又迷糊了，不是靠 sylalbles 是靠什么来调整所谓的音步韵步？大概中文没有这方
面长短、轻重（入声算一点点接近吧）的区别，所以韵脚比较重要。
恩，poetry应该包括中国的韵文、也包括无韵之离骚：） |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 18 i c
从这个意义上说，大概没有人会有太大的意见。 |
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f*********s
发帖数: 986 | 19 poetry应该包括中国的韵文、也包括无韵之离骚：）
不要忘记了中国还有一个很特别的文体叫 赋 |
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发帖数: 2451 | 20 这真是，分久必合，合久必分，格律久了要自由，自由久了要格律~ |
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发帖数: 2451 | 22 再看
Desert Places
by: Robert Frost
Snow falling and night falling fast, oh, fast
In a field I looked into going past,
And the ground almost covered smooth in snow,
But a few weeds and stubble showing last.
The woods around it have it--it is theirs.
All animals are smothered in their lairs.
I am too absent-spirited to count;
The loneliness includes me unawares.
And lonely as it is that loneliness
Will be more lonely ere it will be less--
A blanker whiteness of benighted snow
With no expression, no |
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a***d
发帖数: 2374 | 25 haha
hard work...Thanks
Yes in my memory, more English poems are rhyming. |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 27 nice one
能否请你也推荐一两首作为英诗汉译的候选？多谢多谢 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 30 第三首：
Over the Roofs
I said, “I have shut my heart
As one shuts an open door,
That Love may starve therein
And trouble me no more.”
But over the roofs there came
The wet new wind of May,
And a tune blew up from the curb
Where the street-pianos play.
My room was white with the sun
And Love cried out in me,
“I am strong, I will break your heart
Unless you set me free.”
已提交的翻译作品：
3-1. DarkMatterER
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Literature/31159281.html
3-2. skater
http://www |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 31 第四首：
#18
Shall I compare thee to a Summer's day?
Thou art more lovely and more temperate:
Rough winds do shake the darling buds of May,
And Summer's lease hath all too short a date:
Sometime too hot the eye of heaven shines,
And oft' is his gold complexion dimm'd;
And every fair from fair sometime declines,
By chance or nature's changing course untrimm'd:
But thy eternal Summer shall not fade
Nor lose possession of that fair thou owest;
Nor shall Death brag thou wanderest in his shade,
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 32 第五首：（感谢 poetsociety 同学推荐）
From Sonnets from the Portuguese
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Say over again, and yet once over again,
That thou dost love me. Though the word repeated
Should seem "a cuckoo song", as thou dost treat it,
Remember, never to the hill or plain,
Valley and wood, without her cuckoo strain
Comes the fresh Spring in all her green completed.
Beloved, I, amid the darkness greeted,
By a doubtful spirit voice, in that doubt's pain
Cry, "Speak once more - thou lovest!" Who can fear
Too many stars, though |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 33 第六首：（感谢 ifulemitbbs 同学推荐）
Sheep In Fog
The hills step off into whiteness.
People or stars
Regard me sadly, I disappoint them.
The train leaves a line of breath.
O slow
Horse the colour of rust,
Hooves, dolorous bells ----
All morning the
Morning has been blackening,
A flower left out.
My bones hold a stillness, the far
Fields melt my heart.
They threaten
To let me through to a heaven
Starless and fatherless, a dark water.
已经提交的作品：
6-1. makejian
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Literature/31159331_0 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 34 第七首：（感谢 sarabande 同学推荐）
IT'S HARD FOR SOME MEN TO FINISH SENTENCES
Sometimes a man can't say
What he . . . A wind comes
And his doors don't rattle. Rain
Comes and his hair is dry.
There's a lot to keep inside
And a lot to . . . Sometimes shame
Means we. . . Children are cruel,
He's six and his hands. . .
Even Hamlet kept passing
The king praying
And the king said,
"There was something. . . ."
已经提交的作品：
7-1. SlowRabit:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Literature/31159369_0.html
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p*********y
发帖数: 1617 | 40 哈哈，你不是叫我参加吧，才交作业了。大包子也吃得香。
中文哪个都好。推荐 hycent, sasa, 劳柯。。。 |
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p*n
发帖数: 1736 | 43 不许跑，你大学时肯定翻译过了，把你的作业交出来。哈哈 |
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D**********R
发帖数: 25234 | 44 ft。。。那个是文学欣赏课，我们不是翻译专业，翻译课只学了很少一点东西。
感觉做翻译，尤其是英译汉，跟语言天赋很有关系，见过不少理工科背景的人，翻译做
的非常流畅和有文采。 |
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T*******e
发帖数: 1156 | 46 Google Translator Oil:
苦酒将饮尽
愁丝未去全
相别在冬日
野草已满原
哈哈，加一个快乐的：
美酒喝不醉
烦忧化作灰
欢乐趁春光
飞去不飞回 |
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D**********R
发帖数: 25234 | 47 只看懂了第三首，翻译完了，如何提交？单独开贴吗？好像主贴没有写啊。。。 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 49 这个以后请选诗顾问 psn 来解答一下
第二首可能不是你想的那样：）有问题悄悄告诉我。。。
请问成诗翻译是什么意思？已有的翻译或者原文可以变换，不建议直接使用
总共提供了7首诗，应该能找到一两首合适的，赶紧动手吧：）
次。 |
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l*r
发帖数: 79569 | 50 开张大吉，多谢口气同学与暗物质同学支持，螃蟹奖包子已发
还有5个螃蟹奖名额，大家抓紧～ |
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