w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | |
x*x
发帖数: 2001 | 2 没有真东西啊，还是个concept demo。
而且貌似看起来很复杂，手指划来划去，屏幕跳来跳去 |
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 3 一个字: 山寨.
【在 x*x 的大作中提到】
: 没有真东西啊，还是个concept demo。
: 而且貌似看起来很复杂，手指划来划去，屏幕跳来跳去
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 4 是的
貌似UI和操作设计非常复杂
behavior很不consistent
感觉学习曲线也非常大。
【在 x*x 的大作中提到】
: 没有真东西啊，还是个concept demo。
: 而且貌似看起来很复杂，手指划来划去，屏幕跳来跳去
|
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 5 MS的一贯的自作聪明的风格, 和那个MS office里面SB的曲别针一个道理. 不仅不
帮忙, 还帮倒忙.
最近抄作的那个Windows 7也十分让人提不起性趣. 就说那个主屏幕吧. 那么大
的图标, 也不做成圆角的. 土啊.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是的
: 貌似UI和操作设计非常复杂
: behavior很不consistent
: 感觉学习曲线也非常大。
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 6 这个双屏简直是傻X到极点了。
看video怎么看？
看书的时候，先看左边屏，右边在无用地费电。然后看右边屏，左边在无用地费电。 |
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 7 也可能是竖起来, 能看三丝, 内车PAPER. 当然估计MS也有野心, 想弄成
一个便携, 象NDS掌机样子的东西, 以后要挖老任老索还有老喬的墙角. 最近
看一个关于IT历史的书, 终于认清了盖兹坑蒙拐骗的山寨手段. 不齿. 当然
Y就靠这种人品发家了, 最后从良当什么慈善家了. 老乔作为GUI的创始人,
一大把年纪了, 还得年年出来坐台卖东西, 不管癌症不癌症的....可怜.
不过人类这么多年看纸书, 可能已经习惯左右两页的风格了. 而且这样左边算
个缓存....总是, 有些习惯不好改.
当年刚用PAD看书的时候, 很不适应, 总觉的缺点什么, 后来才明白有时人的确
看书往回扫一眼, 好catch up. 不过经过几年大训练, 这个习惯我已经改好了很多.
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 这个双屏简直是傻X到极点了。
: 看video怎么看？
: 看书的时候，先看左边屏，右边在无用地费电。然后看右边屏，左边在无用地费电。
|
l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 8
Don't cry for老乔。 丫人品也很烂。
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 也可能是竖起来, 能看三丝, 内车PAPER. 当然估计MS也有野心, 想弄成
: 一个便携, 象NDS掌机样子的东西, 以后要挖老任老索还有老喬的墙角. 最近
: 看一个关于IT历史的书, 终于认清了盖兹坑蒙拐骗的山寨手段. 不齿. 当然
: Y就靠这种人品发家了, 最后从良当什么慈善家了. 老乔作为GUI的创始人,
: 一大把年纪了, 还得年年出来坐台卖东西, 不管癌症不癌症的....可怜.
: 不过人类这么多年看纸书, 可能已经习惯左右两页的风格了. 而且这样左边算
: 个缓存....总是, 有些习惯不好改.
: 当年刚用PAD看书的时候, 很不适应, 总觉的缺点什么, 后来才明白有时人的确
: 看书往回扫一眼, 好catch up. 不过经过几年大训练, 这个习惯我已经改好了很多.
|
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 9 不过我很景仰他一贯的勇当ASSHOLE的精神. 作人要一致. 今天偷东西, 明天当慈善家的
事情, 我很不齿.
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
:
: Don't cry for老乔。 丫人品也很烂。
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 10 Jobs什么时候当过慈善家？
家的
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不过我很景仰他一贯的勇当ASSHOLE的精神. 作人要一致. 今天偷东西, 明天当慈善家的
: 事情, 我很不齿.
|
|
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l**t
发帖数: 6971 | 11
weidong的意思是，Jobs一贯地做a-hole。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Jobs什么时候当过慈善家？
:
: 家的
|
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 12 我说的是GATES. JOBS天天骂人, 起码有连续性.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Jobs什么时候当过慈善家？
:
: 家的
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 13 Gates还是缺乏vision和taste。
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是GATES. JOBS天天骂人, 起码有连续性.
|
w*****g
发帖数: 16352 | 14 他就一岳不群啊.
Gates还是缺乏vision和taste。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Gates还是缺乏vision和taste。
|
l*******n
发帖数: 101 | 15 不会吧，没一个人说好的？？？
我看着觉得这东西挺好的，虽然只是个概念
很多点子都是很空前的啊 |
r*****t
发帖数: 2860 | 16 大家太苹果了。
这个东西显然是开创性的，比那个ipad不知道好了几百倍。
真正的笔记本就应该是这样的。
friendly to both pen and finger.
完全没有什么菜单之类的东西。
学习曲线再困难，能有那么多的菜单困难？
唯一的问题就是什么时候可以问世。
那两个video已经有了快1年了。
这个concept有更久了，至少两年前我就试用过了这个东西的软件了。在ms lab，有点
像google lab的东西。
非常好用。
这个原有的想法是可以放在大家常常用的记事历journal里面的。 |
p***r
发帖数: 195 | 17 I do not like pen of any kind.
exclusive-pictures-and-de/
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/
: 还是不入眼, 看不了三丝, 内车的陪破.
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s**u
发帖数: 1436 | 18 恩，i巾10寸的屏幕，看上半个屏幕的时候，下半个屏幕无用的费电，
看下半个屏幕的时候，上半个屏幕无用费电。
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 这个双屏简直是傻X到极点了。
: 看video怎么看？
: 看书的时候，先看左边屏，右边在无用地费电。然后看右边屏，左边在无用地费电。
|
r******y
发帖数: 3838 | 19 希望可以用毛笔。
【在 p***r 的大作中提到】
: I do not like pen of any kind.
:
: exclusive-pictures-and-de/
|
r******y
发帖数: 3838 | 20 Apple已申请眼控专利，这样眼睛不看的地方不显示不费电。。。
不过目光不过10寸的可比鼠目了。
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: 恩，i巾10寸的屏幕，看上半个屏幕的时候，下半个屏幕无用的费电，
: 看下半个屏幕的时候，上半个屏幕无用费电。
|
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g****7
发帖数: 1104 | 21 你看ipad难道不是上下一起费电？只不过上下一整块而已。
不知道什么逻辑。。。
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: 恩，i巾10寸的屏幕，看上半个屏幕的时候，下半个屏幕无用的费电，
: 看下半个屏幕的时候，上半个屏幕无用费电。
|
a********x
发帖数: 1502 | 22 MS fans really make me lol by comparing MS Courier to Apple #ipad. Dude,
what MS is showing us now about Courier is nothing but an animation.
Actually, MS's animation about windows vista seven years ago was even more
promising than this. Since MS is not even showing us a Courier model, it may
take them roughly two years to put it to market (maybe release a model by
the end of this year and allow one year to ship). At that time, there will
not only be iPad, but will also be Google ChromePad or ev
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: http://www.engadget.com/2010/03/05/microsofts-courier-digital-journal-exclusive-pictures-and-de/
: 还是不入眼, 看不了三丝, 内车的陪破.
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 23 果“”们都是这样，说道别的东西全是缺点，没有任何创新，但就看不得别人说果子们
的缺点，一个都不
行。
【在 l*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不会吧，没一个人说好的？？？
: 我看着觉得这东西挺好的，虽然只是个概念
: 很多点子都是很空前的啊
|
a****a
发帖数: 3992 | 24 嗯
大屏幕都不好，看上面的時候下面在費電，看下面的時候上面在費電
左邊右邊同理
【在 l**t 的大作中提到】
: 这个双屏简直是傻X到极点了。
: 看video怎么看？
: 看书的时候，先看左边屏，右边在无用地费电。然后看右边屏，左边在无用地费电。
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 25 左边右边多浪费150%
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: 嗯
: 大屏幕都不好，看上面的時候下面在費電，看下面的時候上面在費電
: 左邊右邊同理
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 26 还有现在的车也傻x到极点，只有驾驶员开车时其他座位不做人，那么多空间浪费增加
重量耗油。应该根
据人的多少自动缩放。
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: 嗯
: 大屏幕都不好，看上面的時候下面在費電，看下面的時候上面在費電
: 左邊右邊同理
|
a********x
发帖数: 1502 | 27 if you like ms courier, you can just wait until ms finally get that
animation to something marketable.
dude, I am not complaining anything about courier at all. What I am saying
is that it is purely an animation. When ms finally sell this devise. I am
imaging apple is probably selling ipad 3G. Comparing courier to ipad 1g is
pointless.
【在 r**********0 的大作中提到】
: 还有现在的车也傻x到极点，只有驾驶员开车时其他座位不做人，那么多空间浪费增加
: 重量耗油。应该根
: 据人的多少自动缩放。
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 28 我又没有说你说的不对。。。
saying
am
is
【在 a********x 的大作中提到】
: if you like ms courier, you can just wait until ms finally get that
: animation to something marketable.
: dude, I am not complaining anything about courier at all. What I am saying
: is that it is purely an animation. When ms finally sell this devise. I am
: imaging apple is probably selling ipad 3G. Comparing courier to ipad 1g is
: pointless.
|
h*****5
发帖数: 322 | |
d********u
发帖数: 5383 | 30 你自己土吧，不懂还不原意学。
那个设计至少比ipad那个SB设计强一些。
【在 w*****g 的大作中提到】
: MS的一贯的自作聪明的风格, 和那个MS office里面SB的曲别针一个道理. 不仅不
: 帮忙, 还帮倒忙.
: 最近抄作的那个Windows 7也十分让人提不起性趣. 就说那个主屏幕吧. 那么大
: 的图标, 也不做成圆角的. 土啊.
|
|
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r******y
发帖数: 3838 | 31 我可以设计个更强的，但没人能做出来或做出来没什么人买的起。
【在 d********u 的大作中提到】
: 你自己土吧，不懂还不原意学。
: 那个设计至少比ipad那个SB设计强一些。
|
s********h
发帖数: 158 | 32 i feel the same thing. perhaps quite a few apple fans on this forum are also
aapl shareholders. so the higher apple charges consumers, the happier they
are.
from apple's perspective, there's nothing wrong with monopolizing and
charging high price. any business would love to be in that position.
as a consumer though, getting most value out of expense matters most to me.
apple has been making good and innovative products in recent years. but
lately i feel that other companies are catching up and a
【在 r**********0 的大作中提到】
: 果“”们都是这样，说道别的东西全是缺点，没有任何创新，但就看不得别人说果子们
: 的缺点，一个都不
: 行。
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 33 value
is not
created
simply by hype.
the more value
the more you can charge.
if apple products have no value
it just won't sell.
free market
has demonstrated
apple's value
also
they
.
【在 s********h 的大作中提到】
: i feel the same thing. perhaps quite a few apple fans on this forum are also
: aapl shareholders. so the higher apple charges consumers, the happier they
: are.
: from apple's perspective, there's nothing wrong with monopolizing and
: charging high price. any business would love to be in that position.
: as a consumer though, getting most value out of expense matters most to me.
: apple has been making good and innovative products in recent years. but
: lately i feel that other companies are catching up and a
|
wy
发帖数: 14511 | 34 好诗
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: value
: is not
: created
: simply by hype.
: the more value
: the more you can charge.
: if apple products have no value
: it just won't sell.
: free market
: has demonstrated
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 35 这就太扯了，完全搞不明白价值和价格的关系。你要炒股肯定属于那种跟风散户风格，
每次都站最后一
班岗。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: value
: is not
: created
: simply by hype.
: the more value
: the more you can charge.
: if apple products have no value
: it just won't sell.
: free market
: has demonstrated
|
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 36 梨花体不错
不过请定义这个“value”吧
LV的编织袋用了装东西的value肯定不如民工的编织袋，但是晒命的value
远大于后者
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: value
: is not
: created
: simply by hype.
: the more value
: the more you can charge.
: if apple products have no value
: it just won't sell.
: free market
: has demonstrated
|
s********h
发帖数: 158 | 37 most consumers would tell you that value means getting more with less. it's
also the basic principle of market economy around demand vs supply.
there is no need to blast competition. if future apple product can prove
itself worthy of the price tag, people will choose it. same line goes to the
competitors.
things a monopolist hates and end consumers (me included) love to see:
- availability or threat of substitute products or services
- entry of new competitors
- high intensity of competitive riv
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: value
: is not
: created
: simply by hype.
: the more value
: the more you can charge.
: if apple products have no value
: it just won't sell.
: free market
: has demonstrated
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 38 do you get "more" by buying whole food/organic food compared to regular
grocery?
I am sure for the same price you get less.
But does whole food/organic food has less value for those who buy them?
s
the
【在 s********h 的大作中提到】
: most consumers would tell you that value means getting more with less. it's
: also the basic principle of market economy around demand vs supply.
: there is no need to blast competition. if future apple product can prove
: itself worthy of the price tag, people will choose it. same line goes to the
: competitors.
: things a monopolist hates and end consumers (me included) love to see:
: - availability or threat of substitute products or services
: - entry of new competitors
: - high intensity of competitive riv
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 39 你跟阿提讨论经济，你不是自取其辱么，哈哈。阿提最牛的逻辑至今记忆犹新，关于麦
克和PC的价格和
市场份额的那个。
it's
the
【在 s********h 的大作中提到】
: most consumers would tell you that value means getting more with less. it's
: also the basic principle of market economy around demand vs supply.
: there is no need to blast competition. if future apple product can prove
: itself worthy of the price tag, people will choose it. same line goes to the
: competitors.
: things a monopolist hates and end consumers (me included) love to see:
: - availability or threat of substitute products or services
: - entry of new competitors
: - high intensity of competitive riv
|
s********h
发帖数: 158 | 40 that's quite true indeed. for some, value is in the eyes of the beholder. as
you covet apple to such a degree, as do whole food buyers with organic
foods, i guess price tag is less of an issue relative to having an apple
logo on the purchase.
i am not so brand-loyal, and i don't deviate much from the normal consumer
behaviour: pay less for identical product, or get better product for the
same price.
btw, besides being pro-competition and pro-consumer choice, i never said
apple does not make good
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: do you get "more" by buying whole food/organic food compared to regular
: grocery?
: I am sure for the same price you get less.
: But does whole food/organic food has less value for those who buy them?
:
: s
: the
|
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 41 as long as Apple's competitors cannot see through just the Apple logo
Apple is poised to win.
However when Dell and HP trying so hard to emulate Apple's sucess in design
and combination of hardware and software, Apple haters still don't get it.
Note there are another option in purchasing besides pay less for identical,
get better for the same price,
it is get better for higher price. Because you get what you paid for. You
may not necessarily get better product for the same price.
However it is s
【在 s********h 的大作中提到】
: that's quite true indeed. for some, value is in the eyes of the beholder. as
: you covet apple to such a degree, as do whole food buyers with organic
: foods, i guess price tag is less of an issue relative to having an apple
: logo on the purchase.
: i am not so brand-loyal, and i don't deviate much from the normal consumer
: behaviour: pay less for identical product, or get better product for the
: same price.
: btw, besides being pro-competition and pro-consumer choice, i never said
: apple does not make good
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 42 说中文好不，这英文写的语法错误也忒多了：D
design
it.
identical,
You
use,
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: as long as Apple's competitors cannot see through just the Apple logo
: Apple is poised to win.
: However when Dell and HP trying so hard to emulate Apple's sucess in design
: and combination of hardware and software, Apple haters still don't get it.
: Note there are another option in purchasing besides pay less for identical,
: get better for the same price,
: it is get better for higher price. Because you get what you paid for. You
: may not necessarily get better product for the same price.
: However it is s
|
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 43 you shut up
【在 r**********0 的大作中提到】
: 说中文好不，这英文写的语法错误也忒多了：D
:
: design
: it.
: identical,
: You
: use,
|
r**********0
发帖数: 3236 | 44 不错，这下没语法错误。
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: you shut up
|
s********h
发帖数: 158 | 45 man, i don't know whether to feel impressed or uneasy about your fervent
fetishim about apple. the world is not just black and white; the wish for
competition and paying less is a natural behaviour, and does not make
someone an apple hater. understand?
if you have such strong feelings about apple, no one is against your will
for paying premium for its products. apple shareholders will love you.
design
,
use,
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: as long as Apple's competitors cannot see through just the Apple logo
: Apple is poised to win.
: However when Dell and HP trying so hard to emulate Apple's sucess in design
: and combination of hardware and software, Apple haters still don't get it.
: Note there are another option in purchasing besides pay less for identical,
: get better for the same price,
: it is get better for higher price. Because you get what you paid for. You
: may not necessarily get better product for the same price.
: However it is s
|
p****t
发帖数: 11416 | 46 名媛用J13来爱水果，就好像DSD饭用MS来爱骚腻一样
【在 s********h 的大作中提到】
: man, i don't know whether to feel impressed or uneasy about your fervent
: fetishim about apple. the world is not just black and white; the wish for
: competition and paying less is a natural behaviour, and does not make
: someone an apple hater. understand?
: if you have such strong feelings about apple, no one is against your will
: for paying premium for its products. apple shareholders will love you.
:
: design
: ,
: use,
|
