l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 1 有人用HTML5和Flash分别做了一个同样的动画，这个动画显示Flash的效能更高。
结果很快有人发现这个HTML5是poorly written
很快有人写出同样的动画但是速度更快
配合Javascript之后更是多个球也很快。
当然HTML5的canvas效能可能总体目前还是不如Flash的速度的。
但是总体来说大部分flash绝对比HTML5网页更消耗资源
只要在Mac上用过flash的都知道flash是多么低效。
最初的作者还说“Adobe不断raising the bar”，太可笑了。Adobe把Bar提升了这么久
自己还这么烂？我看这个作者就是拙劣的coder，只能靠Flash工具来写点动画，要动手
用HTML5来写就写的一团糟。
最初的帖子
http://www.blackcj.com/blog/2010/09/17/flash-outperforms-html5-on-mobile-devices/
别人改进的HTML5/Javascript
http://www.mattryall.net/demo/bouncing/
http://www.satine.org/r |
l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 2 我自己的测试结果是
说Flash更快的作者做的HTML5在我的3GS上的表现是17fps
我列出来的三个改进版的FPS分别是
30-34fps
40-42fps
40-42fps
几乎每个都比Flash支持者做的快一倍以上。
看来很多人说Flash作者一般都是Bad coder不是空口无凭了。
Flash什么时候能够一下子改进一下增加一倍的性能？！
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: 有人用HTML5和Flash分别做了一个同样的动画，这个动画显示Flash的效能更高。
: 结果很快有人发现这个HTML5是poorly written
: 很快有人写出同样的动画但是速度更快
: 配合Javascript之后更是多个球也很快。
: 当然HTML5的canvas效能可能总体目前还是不如Flash的速度的。
: 但是总体来说大部分flash绝对比HTML5网页更消耗资源
: 只要在Mac上用过flash的都知道flash是多么低效。
: 最初的作者还说“Adobe不断raising the bar”，太可笑了。Adobe把Bar提升了这么久
: 自己还这么烂？我看这个作者就是拙劣的coder，只能靠Flash工具来写点动画，要动手
: 用HTML5来写就写的一团糟。
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m*****e
发帖数: 4193 | 3 Try watch the video with a slow network. HTML5 can't compete with Flash. |
l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 4 I am at least happy I don't need flash to watch Youtube, Youku, Tudou,
QQLive etc, not any more!
And all flash sites are dead.
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
: Try watch the video with a slow network. HTML5 can't compete with Flash.
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m*****k
发帖数: 1864 | |
G*****y
发帖数: 2768 | 6 85% of the Alexa top 100 sites use flash. 75percent of all video on the web
is flash |
R****e
发帖数: 878 | 7 What a retard statement. Last time I checked, Youtube, youku, tudou are all
flash sites. Are they all dead?
It doesn't matter who is better, it's the market share that matters. The old
ugly dianosaur called IE 6&7 are still occupying more than 25% of the
browser market. Can you believe it?
Steve job will be dead before flash, that's for sure. 丫有种把flash从Mac OS
X踢出去啊？丫敢吗？
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: I am at least happy I don't need flash to watch Youtube, Youku, Tudou,
: QQLive etc, not any more!
: And all flash sites are dead.
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w********d
发帖数: 369 | |
a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 9 你用什么check的youtube, youku, tudou?
all
old
OS
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: What a retard statement. Last time I checked, Youtube, youku, tudou are all
: flash sites. Are they all dead?
: It doesn't matter who is better, it's the market share that matters. The old
: ugly dianosaur called IE 6&7 are still occupying more than 25% of the
: browser market. Can you believe it?
: Steve job will be dead before flash, that's for sure. 丫有种把flash从Mac OS
: X踢出去啊？丫敢吗？
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J********a
发帖数: 5208 | 10 教主倒是想啊，osx也没有个app store 不是
flash现在是后娘养的，没法子，当年在MM的时候多好，三剑客，现在是DW,FW都要死球
了，flash也迟早要被Adobe玩死
关于市场占有率问题，只跟比尔和教主的钱包有关，跟我们用户没啥关系，有个很好的
比方：
macdonald also sells a shit load of burgers...
all
old
OS
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: What a retard statement. Last time I checked, Youtube, youku, tudou are all
: flash sites. Are they all dead?
: It doesn't matter who is better, it's the market share that matters. The old
: ugly dianosaur called IE 6&7 are still occupying more than 25% of the
: browser market. Can you believe it?
: Steve job will be dead before flash, that's for sure. 丫有种把flash从Mac OS
: X踢出去啊？丫敢吗？
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J********a
发帖数: 5208 | 11 youtube还是beta吧
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 你用什么check的youtube, youku, tudou?
:
: all
: old
: OS
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 12 Google不是以beta著称么
【在 J********a 的大作中提到】
: youtube还是beta吧
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J********a
发帖数: 5208 | 13 我是说youtube的html5
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Google不是以beta著称么
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 14 是beta又怎么了？
【在 J********a 的大作中提到】
: 我是说youtube的html5
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J********a
发帖数: 5208 | 15 有些看不了
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 是beta又怎么了？
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 16 Why does it matter? Since when youtube stopped supporting flash?
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: 你用什么check的youtube, youku, tudou?
:
: all
: old
: OS
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J********a
发帖数: 5208 | 17 恐怕永远不会
flash是好东西，邪恶的是adobe
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Why does it matter? Since when youtube stopped supporting flash?
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 18 who says youtube stopped supporting flash?
Flash is just no longer necessary or needed. That's the most important thing.
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Why does it matter? Since when youtube stopped supporting flash?
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m*****e
发帖数: 4193 | 19
thing.
People who say this don't understand the real world.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: who says youtube stopped supporting flash?
: Flash is just no longer necessary or needed. That's the most important thing.
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 20 the real world is
people buy iPad and iPhone
and they can watch videos on these website without flash
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
:
: thing.
: People who say this don't understand the real world.
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 21 Then youtube is a flash site. Why do 80% of the website still support flash
since it is not needed or "dead"?
thing.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: who says youtube stopped supporting flash?
: Flash is just no longer necessary or needed. That's the most important thing.
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 22 And that's about < 1% of the real world. The real world is, if youtube took
out html5 support now, nobody gives a crap. If they took out flash support
now, they are dead.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: the real world is
: people buy iPad and iPhone
: and they can watch videos on these website without flash
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 23 You are totally missing the point.
Why?
For example, are these video websites supporting both Flash and Silverlight?
Are they also supporting WMV, AVI, DivX, MKV, Real?
Unfortunately, they all only support Flash and HTML5 video.
If it is not Apple, they will never support HTML5. And their support for
HTML5 video means Apple did not lose anything. Adobe lost at least something.
took
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: And that's about < 1% of the real world. The real world is, if youtube took
: out html5 support now, nobody gives a crap. If they took out flash support
: now, they are dead.
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 24 Like you ever had a point other than following Jobs tail.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: You are totally missing the point.
: Why?
: For example, are these video websites supporting both Flash and Silverlight?
: Are they also supporting WMV, AVI, DivX, MKV, Real?
: Unfortunately, they all only support Flash and HTML5 video.
: If it is not Apple, they will never support HTML5. And their support for
: HTML5 video means Apple did not lose anything. Adobe lost at least something.
:
: took
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 25 Can you answer or explain this:
Are these video websites supporting both Flash and Silverlight?
Are they also supporting WMV, AVI, DivX, MKV, Real?
Unfortunately, they all only support Flash and HTML5 video.
If it is not Apple, they will never support HTML5. And their support for
HTML5 video means Apple did not lose anything. Adobe lost at least something
. And people on Mac OS X don't like Flash. We will all be happier if the
world has no flash, or if we don't have to run flash.
Now we can. Now
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Like you ever had a point other than following Jobs tail.
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m*****e
发帖数: 4193 | 26
Wow, that's a very bold statement.
I heard that Jobs actually invented Internet himself. If there were no Jobs
there would not be an Internet at all.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Can you answer or explain this:
: Are these video websites supporting both Flash and Silverlight?
: Are they also supporting WMV, AVI, DivX, MKV, Real?
: Unfortunately, they all only support Flash and HTML5 video.
: If it is not Apple, they will never support HTML5. And their support for
: HTML5 video means Apple did not lose anything. Adobe lost at least something
: . And people on Mac OS X don't like Flash. We will all be happier if the
: world has no flash, or if we don't have to run flash.
: Now we can. Now
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y*****n
发帖数: 11251 | 27 只要在Mac上用过flash的都知道flash是多么低效。
怎么给我的感觉是lz想说是Mac的问题呢？
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: 有人用HTML5和Flash分别做了一个同样的动画，这个动画显示Flash的效能更高。
: 结果很快有人发现这个HTML5是poorly written
: 很快有人写出同样的动画但是速度更快
: 配合Javascript之后更是多个球也很快。
: 当然HTML5的canvas效能可能总体目前还是不如Flash的速度的。
: 但是总体来说大部分flash绝对比HTML5网页更消耗资源
: 只要在Mac上用过flash的都知道flash是多么低效。
: 最初的作者还说“Adobe不断raising the bar”，太可笑了。Adobe把Bar提升了这么久
: 自己还这么烂？我看这个作者就是拙劣的coder，只能靠Flash工具来写点动画，要动手
: 用HTML5来写就写的一团糟。
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 28 It is the truth. Apple is the leader in HTML5 implementation.
Webkit has the most and best HTML5 support among all web browsers. iOS is
the first mobile OS that pushes for HTML5. These are enough evidence.
Jobs
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
:
: Wow, that's a very bold statement.
: I heard that Jobs actually invented Internet himself. If there were no Jobs
: there would not be an Internet at all.
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 29 和Mac有什么直接关系？这个测试是在手机上跑HTML5和Flash。
【在 y*****n 的大作中提到】
: 只要在Mac上用过flash的都知道flash是多么低效。
: 怎么给我的感觉是lz想说是Mac的问题呢？
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 30 LOL, that's pathetic. I'm sure one day when Apple make a iToilet you will
say the same thing. LOL.
Go back to the post that I initially responded. Tell me how flash is dead?
And what did exactly Adobe has lost? Every website that supported flash is
still supporting it.
something
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: Can you answer or explain this:
: Are these video websites supporting both Flash and Silverlight?
: Are they also supporting WMV, AVI, DivX, MKV, Real?
: Unfortunately, they all only support Flash and HTML5 video.
: If it is not Apple, they will never support HTML5. And their support for
: HTML5 video means Apple did not lose anything. Adobe lost at least something
: . And people on Mac OS X don't like Flash. We will all be happier if the
: world has no flash, or if we don't have to run flash.
: Now we can. Now
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 31 Yes, safari is such a nice browser it is stuck at pitiful 5% market share
forever.
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: It is the truth. Apple is the leader in HTML5 implementation.
: Webkit has the most and best HTML5 support among all web browsers. iOS is
: the first mobile OS that pushes for HTML5. These are enough evidence.
:
: Jobs
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 32 LZ没有说flash is dead
LZ说flash和HTML5之争还在继续
LZ后来说all flash sites are dead
我想意思是(all flash) sites are dead = (flash only) sites are dead
what is flash site?
我认为楼主的观点是flash only的网站才能被成为flash site
youtube既然支持HTML5，支持webM，那么它就已经不是flash (only) site
所以你很pathetic啊。
告诉你Adobe丢失了什么，Adobe丢失了对网络视频deliver方式的独家私有格式控制权。
要是Adobe什么也不丢失，它的印度CEO还会天天whining吗？Adobe再烂，CEO至少知道
苹果强推HTML5是影响Adobe利益的，并且不断发布新闻，PR，上电视为了抵消负面影响
。你要是做Adobe的CEO恐怕Adobe早就破产了。
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: LOL, that's pathetic. I'm sure one day when Apple make a iToilet you will
: say the same thing. LOL.
: Go back to the post that I initially responded. Tell me how flash is dead?
: And what did exactly Adobe has lost? Every website that supported flash is
: still supporting it.
:
: something
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a***y
发帖数: 19743 | 33 it is okay Safari stuck at 5%
as long as webkit continue to grow.
Also open source, Mozilla's gecko has never seen such wide adoption by
different venders. Google, RIM, Sumsung, Amazon and more are all using
webkit.
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Yes, safari is such a nice browser it is stuck at pitiful 5% market share
: forever.
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A****L
发帖数: 1368 | 34 原来Jobs也是混买买提的，还有个id叫dsb
Jobs
【在 m*****e 的大作中提到】
:
: Wow, that's a very bold statement.
: I heard that Jobs actually invented Internet himself. If there were no Jobs
: there would not be an Internet at all.
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 35 What makes you draw conclusion that flash only sites are dead? Just because
a few popular sites starts to support html5? Last time I checked, hulu is
still flash only. Are they dead? Thank god you're not their CEO. Or their
investers probably already committed mass suicide.
The truth is, even for the so called html5 compatible sites like youtube. It
is still a flash only site to 99.9% percent of the people. Even if they are
using html5 compatible browsers. Besides a few of you apple fan boys who
【在 a***y 的大作中提到】
: LZ没有说flash is dead
: LZ说flash和HTML5之争还在继续
: LZ后来说all flash sites are dead
: 我想意思是(all flash) sites are dead = (flash only) sites are dead
: what is flash site?
: 我认为楼主的观点是flash only的网站才能被成为flash site
: youtube既然支持HTML5，支持webM，那么它就已经不是flash (only) site
: 所以你很pathetic啊。
: 告诉你Adobe丢失了什么，Adobe丢失了对网络视频deliver方式的独家私有格式控制权。
: 要是Adobe什么也不丢失，它的印度CEO还会天天whining吗？Adobe再烂，CEO至少知道
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 36 Wake up
Hulu has iPad app that stream using H.264 in iPad compatible wrapper
So does Netflix.
because
It
are
about
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: What makes you draw conclusion that flash only sites are dead? Just because
: a few popular sites starts to support html5? Last time I checked, hulu is
: still flash only. Are they dead? Thank god you're not their CEO. Or their
: investers probably already committed mass suicide.
: The truth is, even for the so called html5 compatible sites like youtube. It
: is still a flash only site to 99.9% percent of the people. Even if they are
: using html5 compatible browsers. Besides a few of you apple fan boys who
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 37 That is app, not web site. Who needs to wake up?
Yeah hulu is really gonna survive if they only scream thru iPad using that app.
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: Wake up
: Hulu has iPad app that stream using H.264 in iPad compatible wrapper
: So does Netflix.
:
: because
: It
: are
: about
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 38 haven't you heard app is the new website?
app.
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: That is app, not web site. Who needs to wake up?
: Yeah hulu is really gonna survive if they only scream thru iPad using that app.
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 39 No, I don't read St. Jobs bible every day. Haven't you heard there's a world
outside of iPad/iPhone which only counts about 0.1% of the web traffic?
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: haven't you heard app is the new website?
:
: app.
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 40 why don't you say 0.001%, since you are already committed to stating the
false.
Haven't you seen all the flash blocker?
I just don't get people who 力捧垃圾。
生怕自己不够垃圾么，哈哈哈
world
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: No, I don't read St. Jobs bible every day. Haven't you heard there's a world
: outside of iPad/iPhone which only counts about 0.1% of the web traffic?
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 41 Yeah it's really a huge difference be it 0.0001% or 1%.
I never said flash is good. But it is far from dead, which you're claiming
falsely. Flash blocker is to block the content. I'm sure when html5 flashy
ads floating around all over the web crawling up you CPU, it will be as bad
as flash. There will surely be html5 animation/video blockers.
I'm just really getting a kick out of the little fantasy world you apple fan
boys are living. Damn, let Apple make an iToilet and relieve us from all
the b
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: why don't you say 0.001%, since you are already committed to stating the
: false.
: Haven't you seen all the flash blocker?
: I just don't get people who 力捧垃圾。
: 生怕自己不够垃圾么，哈哈哈
:
: world
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 42 Flash is dead.
Flash is dead.
Flash is dead.
Flash is dead.
Yes HTML5 animation ads could be as bad as flash ads.
For bad things, we have adblock, clicktoflash
Flash is bad.
I want it dead.
So I will repeat 1000 times.
Flash is dead.
Flash is dead.
Flash is dead.
.....
Even it is not dead yet, it will be dead, probably soon enough. Hail to the
death of Flash!!
bad
fan
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Yeah it's really a huge difference be it 0.0001% or 1%.
: I never said flash is good. But it is far from dead, which you're claiming
: falsely. Flash blocker is to block the content. I'm sure when html5 flashy
: ads floating around all over the web crawling up you CPU, it will be as bad
: as flash. There will surely be html5 animation/video blockers.
: I'm just really getting a kick out of the little fantasy world you apple fan
: boys are living. Damn, let Apple make an iToilet and relieve us from all
: the b
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 43 Let me guess, just got back from bible study? hehe
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: Flash is dead.
: Flash is dead.
: Flash is dead.
: Flash is dead.
: Yes HTML5 animation ads could be as bad as flash ads.
: For bad things, we have adblock, clicktoflash
: Flash is bad.
: I want it dead.
: So I will repeat 1000 times.
: Flash is dead.
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 44 That's all you got, sadly.
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Let me guess, just got back from bible study? hehe
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R****e
发帖数: 878 | 45 Well, I've got enough kicks tonight, thanks for the entertainment. I'll come
back when I'm really bored. hehe.
【在 l******o 的大作中提到】
: That's all you got, sadly.
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l******o
发帖数: 2649 | 46 I guess that's why you seem to be a very boring person.
come
【在 R****e 的大作中提到】
: Well, I've got enough kicks tonight, thanks for the entertainment. I'll come
: back when I'm really bored. hehe.
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