e******g
发帖数: 5344 | 1 small overlap 那块儿：
2个M, 1个P， 1个A，3个Good。
还没同是compact的impreza安全: 全是good：7个Good
跟S60也没法比。 |
u****q
发帖数: 24345 | 2 因为烂。The Ultimate Driving Machine。 |
j***s
发帖数: 297 | 3 哈哈
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 因为烂。The Ultimate Driving Machine。
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 4 impreza 2,7xx -32xxlb
3系 34xx-39xxlb |
e******g
发帖数: 5344 | 5 按重量，就跟Acura TL/Accord 比，这俩6个GOOD, 一个A.
刚刚又看了德系的audi和Mercedes，这个级别也是稀巴烂啊。
怕死的应该都选择volvo或者acura才对
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: impreza 2,7xx -32xxlb
: 3系 34xx-39xxlb
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e******g
发帖数: 5344 | 6 大哥，我刚查了一下
impreza自动版的curb weight是3010
impreza WRX是3267
328是3360
没差太多啊。
安全系数可就差一大截了。
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: impreza 2,7xx -32xxlb
: 3系 34xx-39xxlb
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u****q
发帖数: 24345 | 7 老色狼整天喷，不要拿它当真。
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: 大哥，我刚查了一下
: impreza自动版的curb weight是3010
: impreza WRX是3267
: 328是3360
: 没差太多啊。
: 安全系数可就差一大截了。
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l*******g
发帖数: 27064 | 8 别查了，刚看到iihs碰撞里面有数据
直接点击左边的small overlap，可以看到车型重量
Tested vehicle 2014 Subaru Impreza 2.0i wagon
Weight 3,024 lbs.
Tested vehicle 2012 BMW 328i 4-door
Weight 3,404 lbs.
impreza基本上是最新车型，弄不好已经改进过了，而且二者查400磅，这个冲击力可不小
大概算了下，二者重量差400磅的冲击力
400磅大概180公斤
small overlap 测试速度64公里，大约17.8米/s，假设从撞击到停止距离都是1m，那么
用的时间是0.05625s
那么二者冲击力差距有多大呢？
f=mv/t=57343牛顿
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: 大哥，我刚查了一下
: impreza自动版的curb weight是3010
: impreza WRX是3267
: 328是3360
: 没差太多啊。
: 安全系数可就差一大截了。
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 9 This kind of test has an assumption that the car to be tested will strike
something with unlimitedly rigid body and unlimited weighted - a static
metal pole or a wall. The result is that the car under test will put its own
weight and structural pressure to itself. The small overlap top picked car
mostly have the 'strategy' of losing the impacted wheel to save its cabin.
Just watch the video and you'll see.
As for BMW 3 series, I think its body is really built well and very rigid.
In real world small overlap collision, it's not the striking against a
static pole or wall anymore, it's against the other car. In a small overlap
collision in the real world, I think it's much safer to be in a 3 series
than in Impreza.
Volvo is just a great car. Although it drives numb, I don't doubt its safety
design.
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: small overlap 那块儿：
: 2个M, 1个P， 1个A，3个Good。
: 还没同是compact的impreza安全: 全是good：7个Good
: 跟S60也没法比。
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T********e
发帖数: 8631 | 10 Bimmers never run out of excuses.
own
car
overlap
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: This kind of test has an assumption that the car to be tested will strike
: something with unlimitedly rigid body and unlimited weighted - a static
: metal pole or a wall. The result is that the car under test will put its own
: weight and structural pressure to itself. The small overlap top picked car
: mostly have the 'strategy' of losing the impacted wheel to save its cabin.
: Just watch the video and you'll see.
: As for BMW 3 series, I think its body is really built well and very rigid.
: In real world small overlap collision, it's not the striking against a
: static pole or wall anymore, it's against the other car. In a small overlap
: collision in the real world, I think it's much safer to be in a 3 series
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J********o
发帖数: 17447 | 11 但死人的事儿真很多是撞树撞灯珠撞收费站blabla
own
car
overlap
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: This kind of test has an assumption that the car to be tested will strike
: something with unlimitedly rigid body and unlimited weighted - a static
: metal pole or a wall. The result is that the car under test will put its own
: weight and structural pressure to itself. The small overlap top picked car
: mostly have the 'strategy' of losing the impacted wheel to save its cabin.
: Just watch the video and you'll see.
: As for BMW 3 series, I think its body is really built well and very rigid.
: In real world small overlap collision, it's not the striking against a
: static pole or wall anymore, it's against the other car. In a small overlap
: collision in the real world, I think it's much safer to be in a 3 series
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r*******0
发帖数: 479 | 12 好像明白了，宝马只有撞别人才能保自己，撞树会很杯具，谨记。
【在 J********o 的大作中提到】
: 但死人的事儿真很多是撞树撞灯珠撞收费站blabla
:
: own
: car
: overlap
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I*D
发帖数: 40035 | |
H**********f
发帖数: 2978 | 14 我会操控我怕啥？
【在 u****q 的大作中提到】
: 因为烂。The Ultimate Driving Machine。
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P***5
发帖数: 1089 | 15 侧撞和顶棚可以跨类比较，跟车自重关系不大
跟车自重有关的是对撞和头部保护
Roof strength test ratings can be compared across vehicle categories. |
s*****g
发帖数: 3693 | 16 别算了，早就说你拿着一堆你自己读不懂的数据瞎分析
small overlap撞击之后都是滑开或者弹开，没有撞到停的.你觉的之后车停的死死的是
因为刹车自动开始工作.
"The onboard braking system, which applies the vehicle’s service brakes on
the rear wheels, is activated 1.5 seconds after the vehicle is released from
the propulsion system."
所有的small overlap车都有溃缩型变，你那简单算法就跟笑话里物理学家计算真空里
的球型鸡一样
不小
【在 l*******g 的大作中提到】
: 别查了，刚看到iihs碰撞里面有数据
: 直接点击左边的small overlap，可以看到车型重量
: Tested vehicle 2014 Subaru Impreza 2.0i wagon
: Weight 3,024 lbs.
: Tested vehicle 2012 BMW 328i 4-door
: Weight 3,404 lbs.
: impreza基本上是最新车型，弄不好已经改进过了，而且二者查400磅，这个冲击力可不小
: 大概算了下，二者重量差400磅的冲击力
: 400磅大概180公斤
: small overlap 测试速度64公里，大约17.8米/s，假设从撞击到停止距离都是1m，那么
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 17 Nobody cares about any excuse. If you feel this is an excuse, be my guest.
Be honest to yourself and think about this question: in a small overlap
collision in BMW 3series and Subaru WRZ (following LZ's score comparison),
which one do you prefer to be in?
【在 T********e 的大作中提到】
: Bimmers never run out of excuses.
:
: own
: car
: overlap
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i**e
发帖数: 6810 | 18 I think you should pick something of a similar size, say,
the Forester or OB or Legacy and ask yourself (and others)
the same question. Would you rather be in the car with a
bunch of poor and acceptable ratings or a car with all good
ratings.
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: Nobody cares about any excuse. If you feel this is an excuse, be my guest.
: Be honest to yourself and think about this question: in a small overlap
: collision in BMW 3series and Subaru WRZ (following LZ's score comparison),
: which one do you prefer to be in?
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k*******q
发帖数: 5493 | 19 acura和bmw 如果撞上了，你希望自己坐在哪个里面？
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: small overlap 那块儿：
: 2个M, 1个P， 1个A，3个Good。
: 还没同是compact的impreza安全: 全是good：7个Good
: 跟S60也没法比。
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 20 类似大小当然acura。
【在 k*******q 的大作中提到】
: acura和bmw 如果撞上了，你希望自己坐在哪个里面？
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k*******q
发帖数: 5493 | 21 恭喜你抢到了门票！
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 类似大小当然acura。
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k**0
发帖数: 19737 | |
h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 23 LOL. LZ mentioned the comparison between 3 series and WRZ. Now you change
the tone to compare a mid-size sedan (Legacy) with compact sedan (3 series).
For BMW, 5 series is the mid-size model.
Similar sizes, for the safety aspect, BMW all the way.
【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: I think you should pick something of a similar size, say,
: the Forester or OB or Legacy and ask yourself (and others)
: the same question. Would you rather be in the car with a
: bunch of poor and acceptable ratings or a car with all good
: ratings.
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i**e
发帖数: 6810 | 24 I'm sure you can find some people who will actually agree
with you and think your opinion is more convincing
than the IIHS crash test results. In your world poor results
are better than good results as long as it's a poor BMW.
I call that the canonical definition of being delusional :)
).
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: LOL. LZ mentioned the comparison between 3 series and WRZ. Now you change
: the tone to compare a mid-size sedan (Legacy) with compact sedan (3 series).
: For BMW, 5 series is the mid-size model.
: Similar sizes, for the safety aspect, BMW all the way.
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 25 Read my post again and please note under what specific condition the test
has been undertaken. It's "car against a solid wall or a pole - not one car
against another car". If you replace the solid wall or a poll with another
car, the more brittle one will sustain more damage to its driver and
passages. Real life crashes already provided the truth. Based on this,
delusional seems to be such a subjective term.
LOL.
【在 i**e 的大作中提到】
: I'm sure you can find some people who will actually agree
: with you and think your opinion is more convincing
: than the IIHS crash test results. In your world poor results
: are better than good results as long as it's a poor BMW.
: I call that the canonical definition of being delusional :)
:
: ).
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B*Z
发帖数: 7062 | 26 你哪里来的real life crash data？iihs死亡率统计bmw 3死亡率杠杠的。
car
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: Read my post again and please note under what specific condition the test
: has been undertaken. It's "car against a solid wall or a pole - not one car
: against another car". If you replace the solid wall or a poll with another
: car, the more brittle one will sustain more damage to its driver and
: passages. Real life crashes already provided the truth. Based on this,
: delusional seems to be such a subjective term.
: LOL.
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e******g
发帖数: 5344 | 27 你不当宝马的sales manager真是屈才了。
car
【在 h**********r 的大作中提到】
: Read my post again and please note under what specific condition the test
: has been undertaken. It's "car against a solid wall or a pole - not one car
: against another car". If you replace the solid wall or a poll with another
: car, the more brittle one will sustain more damage to its driver and
: passages. Real life crashes already provided the truth. Based on this,
: delusional seems to be such a subjective term.
: LOL.
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K******S
发帖数: 10109 | 28 ? I can't even find MB S class on IIHS's website.
【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: MB S550好像这个得分也很低
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 29 No, I don't have that kind of data and I never claimed that I have it. But I
've seen cars crashing into each other or some minor collisions on road with
my own eyes. I believe my own eyes when I see that some car has a
completely damaged bumper while the other one doesn't seem to even have a
scratch.
【在 B*Z 的大作中提到】
: 你哪里来的real life crash data？iihs死亡率统计bmw 3死亡率杠杠的。
:
: car
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h**********r
发帖数: 2284 | 30 I'm not saying BMW is safer and I'm not saying that a car with a high IIHS
rating is not safe.
What I'm saying that this kind of crash test is bounded by its assumption of
crashing into unlimitedly rigid object instead of other cars. Only real
crashes between different makes and models can tell the truth and we can
look at real life event (e.g, your own experience and actual news) to make
our conclusions.
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: 你不当宝马的sales manager真是屈才了。
:
: car
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r*******0
发帖数: 479 | 31 中型豪华轿车的平均死亡率是百万分之31，宝马三的死亡率是63。多车对撞平均死亡率
是17，宝马三是31。怎么看撞什么都是比较差的。当然也有宝马用户里二杆子赛车手比
较多的因素。
LUXURY CARS
MiDSiZE 2,802,392 31 (28-35) 17 15 5
Saab 9-3 4-door 2005-08 160,496 16 (8-24) 8 8 8
Acura 3.2 TL 2005-08 667,804 21 (16-26) 13 8 0
Audi A4 4-door 4WD 2005-08 189,290 28 (18-38) 21 7 0
Lexus ES 350 2007-08 316,267 32 (22-42) 14 18 0
Mercedes CLK-Class convertible 2005-08 112,275 33 (16-50) 20 13 7
Lexus iS 250 4-door 2006-08 150,891 33 (21-45) 24 8 0
BMW 3 series 4-door 2007-08 172,597 63 (44-81) 31 31 16
Lincoln Zephyr/MKZ 2006-08 156,731 72 (53-90) 36 36 22 |
e******g
发帖数: 5344 | 32 鱼和熊掌不可兼得啊。
命<->操控
【在 r*******0 的大作中提到】
: 中型豪华轿车的平均死亡率是百万分之31，宝马三的死亡率是63。多车对撞平均死亡率
: 是17，宝马三是31。怎么看撞什么都是比较差的。当然也有宝马用户里二杆子赛车手比
: 较多的因素。
: LUXURY CARS
: MiDSiZE 2,802,392 31 (28-35) 17 15 5
: Saab 9-3 4-door 2005-08 160,496 16 (8-24) 8 8 8
: Acura 3.2 TL 2005-08 667,804 21 (16-26) 13 8 0
: Audi A4 4-door 4WD 2005-08 189,290 28 (18-38) 21 7 0
: Lexus ES 350 2007-08 316,267 32 (22-42) 14 18 0
: Mercedes CLK-Class convertible 2005-08 112,275 33 (16-50) 20 13 7
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r*******0
发帖数: 479 | 33 操控好应该有助安全，问题是好多买这车和350Z的都以为自己是舒马赫第二，把公路当
赛车道来开。
【在 e******g 的大作中提到】
: 鱼和熊掌不可兼得啊。
: 命<->操控
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p********e
发帖数: 6030 | 34 操控好引诱你push the limit
【在 r*******0 的大作中提到】
: 操控好应该有助安全，问题是好多买这车和350Z的都以为自己是舒马赫第二，把公路当
: 赛车道来开。
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s******4
发帖数: 1541 | 35 三系入门级豪车不结实很正常，便宜没好货个大品牌低端车碰撞都好不到哪去，不然怎
么说要安全宝马至少要上个5系，4系都不太稳，宝马7和六系相当滴安全看看small
overlap跟没事样的，5系，x5和x6也相当的solid，还有翻滚测试，李嘉诚那辆定购的
宝马7都坐了十来年了。 |
p*********e
发帖数: 32207 | 36 你知道你在说什么么?不懂装懂是不好的.
【在 s******4 的大作中提到】
: 三系入门级豪车不结实很正常，便宜没好货个大品牌低端车碰撞都好不到哪去，不然怎
: 么说要安全宝马至少要上个5系，4系都不太稳，宝马7和六系相当滴安全看看small
: overlap跟没事样的，5系，x5和x6也相当的solid，还有翻滚测试，李嘉诚那辆定购的
: 宝马7都坐了十来年了。
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