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标 题: Re: 【擂台三】门徒生命的改变
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Wed Jan 19 16:01:47 2011, 美东)
既然你要组织这么多的语言来形容分析
可见不是什么天理共识
.... | J*****y
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标 题: Re: 【擂台二】耶穌的出生的歷史背景與世俗歷史符合
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Jan 10 18:48:44 2011, 美东)
对于问题1/2，解释如下
问题3，出于你个人的分析，所以需要你来出示对于当时常理做法的历史文献支持
对于居里扭/希律/人口普查的事情，基督教是这么回应的
http://www.angelfire.com/journal/althehare/quirinius.html
一般是两种解释
Resolution 1
Linguistic studies indicates that the relevant passage in Luke (informing us
of the census) should be translated ‘BEFORE the census of Quirinius’
instead of the ‘FIRST census of Quirinius’. In one stroke, this would
solve our problems as Luke’s census could then refer to ANY one taken
before Herod’s death.
One possibility is the census on Palestine carried out under the
governorship of Quintillus Varus, who was governor of Syria between 6-4 BC.
It was actually due a few years earlier, but it isn’t unlikely that Herod
dragged his feet on this one, as he had recently lost favour with the
Emperor Augustus and therefore didn’t want any more local trouble as a
result of the census - which always enraged the Jews).
Alternatively, the census could’ve been one of many under Sentius
Saturninus who was governor of Syria between 9-6 BC. According to church
father Tertullian, imperial records show that census’ were conducted during
this time.
But why would Luke mention all of this as appearing before the census of
Quirinius in AD 6? Probably it was because that tax-related census - the AD
6 one - hit the Jews in a particularly hard way (as recounted by Jewish
historian, Josephus) making it similar to us moderns talking about ‘a
recession before 1929’ or ‘a market crash before Black September’. It
would have given Luke’s readers a rough touch-point in time for which to
place the birth of Jesus.
So our first resolution option (and one of the best) is that Luke was
talking about a census before the one under Quirinius in AD 6.
Resolution 2
The popular translations of the Lukan verse in question could, however, be
the correct one. But we still wouldn’t need to posit a ‘discrepancy’ in
his account. The term Luke uses for Quirinius ‘governorship’ is the very
general term, hegemon, which in extra-Biblical Greek was applied to prefects
, provincial governors, and even Caesar himself. In the Bible it was used
as a broad term for procurators and to general ‘rulers’. This term would
’ve applied to Quirinius at MANY times in his political career and, as a
general term, Syria would have had several individuals that could be
properly so addressed at the same time.
And during Varus’ appointment as the Syrian governor, Quirinius was doing
military expeditions in the Eastern provinces of the Roman empire and some
evidence indicates that he could’ve been placed in charge of the Palestine
census implemented during that period (see above). Also, church father
Tertullian wrote that Jesus was born during the governorship of Saturninus (
9-6 BC) and that imperial records showed that census’ were conducted during
his tenure.
In this reading, Quirinius was really the procurator of the province (whose
governor could’ve been either Varus or Saturninus), which exonerates Luke’
s account and his employement of hegemon to describe Quirinius.
Therefore, Luke’s census could refer to the first one conducted by
Quirinius as a procurator of Syria some time before his actual governorship
in AD 6.
1）
可能巡抚Quintillus Varus在6-4BC做过一次地方性的人口普查，而后凯撒做了另一次
全国性的
2）
可能“巡抚”一称并不是governor，而是一个普通的官长称呼，表明Quirinius在6AD正
式上任之前曾经做过一个过渡性质的官员职位。 | B********e
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