o******d 发帖数: 204 | 1 发信人: laozhong (zhaoke), 信区: LZU_Life
标 题: 你不能只知道华人生物学家
发信站: BBS 兰大西北望站 (2011-12-29 11:22:06 Thu), 站内
作为生科院的学生,一些华人生物学家的名字肯定经常听到,这些人也往往被描述成你心
目中英雄.可是,仅仅知道几个华人生物学家是不够的,在这里就简单列举几个最负盛名
的华人生物学家的同行.
1.王晓东 王晓东在线粒体细胞凋亡途径的贡献无疑是接近诺贝尔奖的工作.在细胞凋亡
领域比王晓东做得好,或水平接近的有
H. Robert Horvitz 因在细胞凋亡的遗传基础方面的工作2002年获得诺贝尔奖.
Suzanne Cory,Stanley Korsmeyer(2005年过世),John Reed等在Bcl-2家族蛋白的研究
工作。
Craig B Thompson在细胞凋亡机理和疾病关系方面做了大量关系,据说人品不是特别好
。
2,施一公 施一公以发CNS多著称,但是在结构生物学领域,文章数量和重要性不在一
公之下的大有人在,可能由于领域太大了吧。00年以后凭蛋白结构得到诺贝尔奖的就有
Roderick MacKinnon ,Roger Kornberg,Thomas Steitz等人。保守的说,一公在他们
这一代是TOP.作为一个外行,感觉一公解的那些结构都没有达到诺贝尔奖的级别,个人
认为细胞核核孔复合物,线粒体氧化呼吸链复合物I(I之外的复合物结构都已解析)的
结构是诺贝尔奖级别的。
3。饶毅 饶毅做的具体方向我不了解,但是在整个神经科学领域,无论怎么排,也无法
把饶毅排到前五十。不需要列举Eric Kandel,Susumu Tonegawa,Linda buck这些诺贝
尔奖得主。随便翻翻神经科学比较好的学校的网页,就能找到很多文章水平在饶毅之上
,或与之相当的PI。神经科学比较新的一个领域是Optogenetics,光遗传学。奠基人有
Stanford的Karl Deisseroth,牛津的Gero Miesenböck等,有兴趣的同学可以看
看他们的文章。
4。管坤良 管坤良在mTOR和细胞代谢方面的工作非常不错,但是在mTOR领域,MIT的
David Sabatini无疑是No.1。肿瘤代谢是这几年刚火起来的领域,管昆良时机把握得很
好。在这方面哈佛的Lewis Cantley是绝对权威,约翰霍普金斯的Chi V Dang起步很早
。Craig B Thompson,Tak W Mak和王晓东似乎要分一杯羹。年轻一代中比较看好Salk
Institute的Reuben J. Shaw。
5。韩家淮 细胞信号转导是过去30年分子生物学研究的主流,大牛辈出,韩家淮也很难
有好的排名.信号通路和和炎症反应交叉研究做的最出名当属Michael Karin,这家伙发
了100来篇CNS了。
6。舒红兵,兰大校友,舒红兵虽然没有CNS,但是在线粒体抗病毒信号通路的研究确实
非常突出,西南医学中西的陈志坚和舒红兵方向很相似(同时发现的MAVS),文章发的
要好一些,可能是关系更为强一些。当然陈志坚的文章确实非常严谨,读起来很舒服。
他和北卡的张毅在未来十年应该很有希望进NAS。
7。庄小威and谢晓亮,小威和晓亮几年年前在国内还没什么名声(我刚读研的时候很少
听说),这几年声名鹊起。他们两人在各自的领域都是佼佼者。在超分辨率显微镜领域
和小威工作类似的有马普的Stefan W. Hell ,HHMI Janelia Farm 的Eric Betzig。在
单分子生物学领域和谢晓亮工作水平接近的有UC Berkley的Carlos Bustamante,
University of Illinois 的 Taekjip Ha。
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k****o 发帖数: 589 | 3 Michael Karin的业内名声到底怎样啊?以前看到不止一次说他实验室PS数据。 |
d********m 发帖数: 3662 | |
o**4 发帖数: 35028 | |
y******8 发帖数: 1764 | 6 The author worships HHMI for sure. |
P****o 发帖数: 172 | 7 Yongjun Liu, Director, Baylor Institute of Immunology, and vice president of
research. He is a big icon in pDC field. Both he and Chen Dong (discovered
Th17 lineage, Director of immunology section, MD Anderson) are much more
famous than Shu Hongbing in the immunology field. |
c*********7 发帖数: 148 | 8 赞一个!
说说一公吧,一公绝对是个很有才华的结构生物学家,只是他做的东西太广了。什么都
碰一点,提到一公很难想得到一个完完全全属于他的领域。GPCR大家都知道是Kobilka
和Raymond,钾离子通道大家都知道是Roderick MacKinnon,转录翻译complex也是想到
Roger Kornberg,TCR MHC想到Ian Wilson,cytokine receptor想到KC Garcia,HIV
抗体想到Peter kwong,Wane hendrickson 或者Bjorkman... |
O******e 发帖数: 4845 | 9 这两个人是不错,不过在这个级别的华人不要太多。
of
discovered
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : Yongjun Liu, Director, Baylor Institute of Immunology, and vice president of : research. He is a big icon in pDC field. Both he and Chen Dong (discovered : Th17 lineage, Director of immunology section, MD Anderson) are much more : famous than Shu Hongbing in the immunology field.
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P****o 发帖数: 172 | 10 I know very little about other fileds. But in immunology field, Liu is a
well-known top scientist, who did great contribution in the B cell field at
his earlier career stage.Of course, his most famous work is the discovery of
plasmacytoid dendritic cells, which play a central role in anti-viral
immunity. It was said that his H-index is 78.
We have a bunch of good immunologists in U.S.A, but Liu should be the one
with most prominent reputation.
http://www.inboxgroup.net/baylorri/e_article002087840.cfm?x=0,b
http://www.experts.scival.com/mdanderson/expertJournals.asp?n=Y
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=yong-jun+liu&btnG=Sea
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】 : 这两个人是不错,不过在这个级别的华人不要太多。 : : of : discovered
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d******r 发帖数: 244 | 11 表象而以~~~
【在 d********m 的大作中提到】 : TJ HA很nice,这个要赞一下
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t**m 发帖数: 158 | 12 一公做的确实有些杂
不过往积极的方面想, 没准假以时日都成了体系也说不定, 呵呵
做结构的竞争太激烈了, 可能同一个课题全世界十几个实验室都在做, 热一点的也许不
下几十个, 谁知道谁先做出来. 没有自己独到方法的话很难垄断一个领域.
完全属于施的领域可能没有, 半壁江山还是有一些的: 比如apoptosis, 特别是果蝇和
线虫的凋亡通路, 施的工作基本解释了通路中每一个箭头的作用机理; 比如说
phosphatase也可以算上.
Kobilka
【在 c*********7 的大作中提到】 : 赞一个! : 说说一公吧,一公绝对是个很有才华的结构生物学家,只是他做的东西太广了。什么都 : 碰一点,提到一公很难想得到一个完完全全属于他的领域。GPCR大家都知道是Kobilka : 和Raymond,钾离子通道大家都知道是Roderick MacKinnon,转录翻译complex也是想到 : Roger Kornberg,TCR MHC想到Ian Wilson,cytokine receptor想到KC Garcia,HIV : 抗体想到Peter kwong,Wane hendrickson 或者Bjorkman...
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O******e 发帖数: 4845 | 13 我看了下,在Yongjun Liu名下有600多篇文章,不过是把几个重名的放在了一起,作者
地址也成了Kansas。就这样,H-index也只有72.所以他本人肯定没有这么高。
at
of
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : I know very little about other fileds. But in immunology field, Liu is a : well-known top scientist, who did great contribution in the B cell field at : his earlier career stage.Of course, his most famous work is the discovery of : plasmacytoid dendritic cells, which play a central role in anti-viral : immunity. It was said that his H-index is 78. : We have a bunch of good immunologists in U.S.A, but Liu should be the one : with most prominent reputation. : http://www.inboxgroup.net/baylorri/e_article002087840.cfm?x=0,b : http://www.experts.scival.com/mdanderson/expertJournals.asp?n=Y : http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=yong-jun+liu&btnG=Sea
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P****o 发帖数: 172 | 14 http://www.experts.scival.com/mdanderson/expertJournals.asp?n=Y
Pay attention to the left corner on the webpage.
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】 : 我看了下,在Yongjun Liu名下有600多篇文章,不过是把几个重名的放在了一起,作者 : 地址也成了Kansas。就这样,H-index也只有72.所以他本人肯定没有这么高。 : : at : of
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d********m 发帖数: 3662 | 15 那是啥意思?
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : http://www.experts.scival.com/mdanderson/expertJournals.asp?n=Y : Pay attention to the left corner on the webpage.
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s****9 发帖数: 932 | 16 In immunology filed, Liu YJ is 2nd tie. Easily, people can name up to 30
immunologist did a better job than him. Even in the DC field, Ralph steiman
, Ira Mellman, Jacques Banchereau, Michel Nussenzweig obviously did a
greater contribution than him.
Liu is a top "华人" immunologist. He did some pioneer work in pDC and some
impressive work on innate recognition. But I would say it is an over-
statement to say "he did great contribution in the B cell field" and he has
a "most prominent reputation".
at
of
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : I know very little about other fileds. But in immunology field, Liu is a : well-known top scientist, who did great contribution in the B cell field at : his earlier career stage.Of course, his most famous work is the discovery of : plasmacytoid dendritic cells, which play a central role in anti-viral : immunity. It was said that his H-index is 78. : We have a bunch of good immunologists in U.S.A, but Liu should be the one : with most prominent reputation. : http://www.inboxgroup.net/baylorri/e_article002087840.cfm?x=0,b : http://www.experts.scival.com/mdanderson/expertJournals.asp?n=Y : http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&q=yong-jun+liu&btnG=Sea
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P****o 发帖数: 172 | 17 I agree with you that Liu is 2nd tier among all immunologist in the world.
But we are discussing CHINA born scientist, aren't we?
Plus, if you are studying B cells, especially GC B cells, you will know he
did really well, maybe because his mentor is Ian MacLennan.
steiman
some
has
【在 s****9 的大作中提到】 : In immunology filed, Liu YJ is 2nd tie. Easily, people can name up to 30 : immunologist did a better job than him. Even in the DC field, Ralph steiman : , Ira Mellman, Jacques Banchereau, Michel Nussenzweig obviously did a : greater contribution than him. : Liu is a top "华人" immunologist. He did some pioneer work in pDC and some : impressive work on innate recognition. But I would say it is an over- : statement to say "he did great contribution in the B cell field" and he has : a "most prominent reputation". : : at
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s****9 发帖数: 932 | 18 1. The title of the discussion is "你不能只知道华人生物学家", not
discussing China born scientist only.
2. In coincident, I am studying B cells and particularly in GC B cells. I
am very family with Ian's work on early work on extrafollicular plasma cells
and GCs. I am not aware of Liu's B cell work until I pubmed them today. Now I knew that he published well as a postdoc in Ian's lab.
3. Liu is a great china born immunologist and I respect him and his work.
I just felt that the significance of her work so far is not comparable to
Xiaodong Wang discussed above. In addition, I felt your way of describing
him is a little bit over.
.
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : I agree with you that Liu is 2nd tier among all immunologist in the world. : But we are discussing CHINA born scientist, aren't we? : Plus, if you are studying B cells, especially GC B cells, you will know he : did really well, maybe because his mentor is Ian MacLennan. : : steiman : some : has
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p*l 发帖数: 1359 | 19 超分辨显微这个领域,Hell和Betzig都比庄高一点,两个都是从90年代就开始琢磨超分
辨,算开山人物了。Betzig在发明PALM之前发明了NSOM,做生物的人可能没听说过NSOM
,做材料做Nano的人用这个的很多。 |
P****o 发帖数: 172 | 20 Did I compare him with Xiaodong in my post? Everybody knows Xiaodong is #1
among ALL Chinese biologists.
I think I just compared him with other CHINESE IMMUNOLOGISTS.
Just my personal point of view, no offending to anybody, I dont think Ira
Mellman's fame is mainly getting from DC research, maybe more from
epithelial biology research, even though he is good at both fields. For
Michel, I only know he published tones of CNS papers. In GC/plasma cell/MBC
field, AID, Bcl-6 and Blimp-1 were not discovered by him.
I
cells
Now I knew that he published well as a postdoc in Ian's lab.
【在 s****9 的大作中提到】 : 1. The title of the discussion is "你不能只知道华人生物学家", not : discussing China born scientist only. : 2. In coincident, I am studying B cells and particularly in GC B cells. I : am very family with Ian's work on early work on extrafollicular plasma cells : and GCs. I am not aware of Liu's B cell work until I pubmed them today. Now I knew that he published well as a postdoc in Ian's lab. : 3. Liu is a great china born immunologist and I respect him and his work. : I just felt that the significance of her work so far is not comparable to : Xiaodong Wang discussed above. In addition, I felt your way of describing : him is a little bit over. :
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W****g 发帖数: 690 | 21 我不是很清楚楼主想表达的point到底是什么.是为了炫耀自己对世界学术界各个学科
牛人的了如指掌,还是为了表达对那些杰出华人科学家的蔑视?对学术界的了解,在我
看来,一个学者对自己领域内各位牛人的研究有足够的了解就够了.对于其它领域的科
学家的了解并不说明什么,除非能增强一个人吹牛的本领之外,看不出什么实际意义.
至于对优秀华人科学家的蔑视,更不能证明楼主比他们其中的任何一位强.对于优秀的
华人科学家,作为华人,我认为我们唯一该做的是多宣传他们的工作,不但向同胞宣传
,而且要向外族群体宣传.尤其要让外族人明白咱们华人是世界上最优秀的民族之一,
我们有世界上最优秀的科学家群体.
【在 o******d 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: laozhong (zhaoke), 信区: LZU_Life : 标 题: 你不能只知道华人生物学家 : 发信站: BBS 兰大西北望站 (2011-12-29 11:22:06 Thu), 站内 : : 作为生科院的学生,一些华人生物学家的名字肯定经常听到,这些人也往往被描述成你心 : 目中英雄.可是,仅仅知道几个华人生物学家是不够的,在这里就简单列举几个最负盛名 : 的华人生物学家的同行. : 1.王晓东 王晓东在线粒体细胞凋亡途径的贡献无疑是接近诺贝尔奖的工作.在细胞凋亡 : 领域比王晓东做得好,或水平接近的有 : H. Robert Horvitz 因在细胞凋亡的遗传基础方面的工作2002年获得诺贝尔奖.
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h****u 发帖数: 480 | 22
After reading your title, I am not sure what you are trying to say. BTW,
why do people care much about the ranking? most are just splitting hair or
compare apple vs. orange.
【在 o******d 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: laozhong (zhaoke), 信区: LZU_Life : 标 题: 你不能只知道华人生物学家 : 发信站: BBS 兰大西北望站 (2011-12-29 11:22:06 Thu), 站内 : : 作为生科院的学生,一些华人生物学家的名字肯定经常听到,这些人也往往被描述成你心 : 目中英雄.可是,仅仅知道几个华人生物学家是不够的,在这里就简单列举几个最负盛名 : 的华人生物学家的同行. : 1.王晓东 王晓东在线粒体细胞凋亡途径的贡献无疑是接近诺贝尔奖的工作.在细胞凋亡 : 领域比王晓东做得好,或水平接近的有 : H. Robert Horvitz 因在细胞凋亡的遗传基础方面的工作2002年获得诺贝尔奖.
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P****d 发帖数: 564 | 23 Perhaps the most important thing is to know the intellectual framework of
one's field and how that framework came into being. Knowing the names is
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a****k 发帖数: 1130 | 24 每个人不一样吧,有些人觉得只要了解自己领域的牛人就好了,有些人对杰出科学家都
会感到好奇。就像追明星们的八卦一样,其实八卦学术界的牛人们也挺有趣的呀:P
lz也没什么不对的吧,你这个帽子扣的有点大呀
【在 W****g 的大作中提到】 : 我不是很清楚楼主想表达的point到底是什么.是为了炫耀自己对世界学术界各个学科 : 牛人的了如指掌,还是为了表达对那些杰出华人科学家的蔑视?对学术界的了解,在我 : 看来,一个学者对自己领域内各位牛人的研究有足够的了解就够了.对于其它领域的科 : 学家的了解并不说明什么,除非能增强一个人吹牛的本领之外,看不出什么实际意义. : 至于对优秀华人科学家的蔑视,更不能证明楼主比他们其中的任何一位强.对于优秀的 : 华人科学家,作为华人,我认为我们唯一该做的是多宣传他们的工作,不但向同胞宣传 : ,而且要向外族群体宣传.尤其要让外族人明白咱们华人是世界上最优秀的民族之一, : 我们有世界上最优秀的科学家群体.
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g********0 发帖数: 6201 | 25 就像你不能不知道LV Gucci Couch 爱马仕一样。 |
a****k 发帖数: 1130 | 26 刚发现这个消息已经公布出来了,可以上来8g了
之前lz预测十年内,看样子James Chen很快就能进NAS了
http://www.nasonline.org/programs/awards/molecular-biology.html
【在 o******d 的大作中提到】 : 发信人: laozhong (zhaoke), 信区: LZU_Life : 标 题: 你不能只知道华人生物学家 : 发信站: BBS 兰大西北望站 (2011-12-29 11:22:06 Thu), 站内 : : 作为生科院的学生,一些华人生物学家的名字肯定经常听到,这些人也往往被描述成你心 : 目中英雄.可是,仅仅知道几个华人生物学家是不够的,在这里就简单列举几个最负盛名 : 的华人生物学家的同行. : 1.王晓东 王晓东在线粒体细胞凋亡途径的贡献无疑是接近诺贝尔奖的工作.在细胞凋亡 : 领域比王晓东做得好,或水平接近的有 : H. Robert Horvitz 因在细胞凋亡的遗传基础方面的工作2002年获得诺贝尔奖.
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a*m 发帖数: 1217 | 27 进入这个俱乐部的都是大牛,太佩服了
【在 a****k 的大作中提到】 : 刚发现这个消息已经公布出来了,可以上来8g了 : 之前lz预测十年内,看样子James Chen很快就能进NAS了 : http://www.nasonline.org/programs/awards/molecular-biology.html
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i****g 发帖数: 3896 | 28 不少炸药奖啊
【在 a*m 的大作中提到】 : 进入这个俱乐部的都是大牛,太佩服了
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l**********1 发帖数: 5204 | 29 Sorry Couch is likes a basket for going to one local vegetable/fruit market
but almost no one bring LV Gucci 爱马仕 to do similar thing.
Ps:
Under $100
... and signature Coach stripes on the other, it can be worn knotted ...
htp://www.coach.com/online/handbags/-giftshop_under_$100-10551-10051-5000000000000022501-en?
t1Id=5000000000000000007&t2Id=5000000000000022501&tier=2
【在 g********0 的大作中提到】 : 就像你不能不知道LV Gucci Couch 爱马仕一样。
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h***a 发帖数: 145 | 30 Liu went to Baylor and Chen took over mdacc? a lot happened in the past year
......
【在 P****o 的大作中提到】 : Yongjun Liu, Director, Baylor Institute of Immunology, and vice president of : research. He is a big icon in pDC field. Both he and Chen Dong (discovered : Th17 lineage, Director of immunology section, MD Anderson) are much more : famous than Shu Hongbing in the immunology field.
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s******c 发帖数: 331 | 31 这些很out了,就像做生物的天天提什么watson and crick,就像很多大牛Nobel的实验
室实际上field已经比较的old了,只是靠名声仍然财大气粗。
生物有施一公,王晓东,fashion界一样有jason wu,philip lim,alexander wang,
更别提鼎鼎大名的vera wang了,哪怕传统的品牌lanvin,也已经成了台湾人的牌子只
是made in italy。生物界是长江后浪推前浪,新的牛人和新的领域层出不穷,stem
cell,antibody drugs,receptor structures,single molecule等等,fashion界也
是,你知道calvin klein的极简主义?对不起,现在讲celine,chloe,你知道dior的
立体剪裁?不好意思,现在大家都追balenciaga,hermes的包做工一流?out!除了
birkin,能跟bottega veneta比手工?
【在 g********0 的大作中提到】 : 就像你不能不知道LV Gucci Couch 爱马仕一样。
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s******c 发帖数: 331 | 32 继续歪楼。
coach的做工不一定比lv差(当然不是coach的outlet,里面都是专门的生产线生产的低
档货,正牌coach旗舰店的东西少有流到coach outlet里卖的),不过谁让LV财大气粗
,营销做的好?
另外,你能看出来是coach或lv的,都不太是高档货,coach或lv真正好的东西,其实倒
是logo没有那么明显的,不过谁让大众们都喜欢背个logo让人看出来呢?
market
5000000000000022501-en?
【在 l**********1 的大作中提到】 : Sorry Couch is likes a basket for going to one local vegetable/fruit market : but almost no one bring LV Gucci 爱马仕 to do similar thing. : Ps: : Under $100 : ... and signature Coach stripes on the other, it can be worn knotted ... : htp://www.coach.com/online/handbags/-giftshop_under_$100-10551-10051-5000000000000022501-en? : t1Id=5000000000000000007&t2Id=5000000000000022501&tier=2
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s******c 发帖数: 331 | 33 忍不住继续歪。
做生物的,有hot的领域,也有传统的领域,在hot的领域也不是都能做的很牛,
membrane protein的crystal structure很牛吧,可是发一堆bacteria的或古菌的
membrane protein结构,哪怕都能发NCS,又怎样?别人只能惊叹你有钱,如果你发
GPCR的,真核的channels,transporters,那才算本事。就像fashion一样,你花个1,
2K去买个burberry的格子包包,就觉得自己有品味了?No..... 至少也得是burberry
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