k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | |
D******9
发帖数: 2665 | |
m******5
发帖数: 1383 | 3 我觉得cancer research上的文章都很不好看 |
m********a
发帖数: 239 | |
c**k
发帖数: 1228 | 5 i want say something controversial.
even those that can be repeated, it is still clinically useless in many case
. So it makes no difference whether it can be repeated or not.
just read these papers for fun, that is it.
【在 k*****r 的大作中提到】
: 生物里面骗子可真不少
: http://news.yahoo.com/cancer-science-many-discoveries-dont-hold
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O******e
发帖数: 4845 | 6 临床应用只是咱们做研究的目的之一。这个基本事实一万年也不会变。
case
【在 c**k 的大作中提到】
: i want say something controversial.
: even those that can be repeated, it is still clinically useless in many case
: . So it makes no difference whether it can be repeated or not.
: just read these papers for fun, that is it.
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d***d
发帖数: 133 | 7
Claiming that doing science is for the sake of science or curiosity is
indeed very honorable and glorious, but honestly, can be very pretentious,
too.
Let's face it: where do we receive our research funding, and what are the
funding agencies' expectations? Regardless of whether it's tax payers' money
or some private foundation, eventually the beneficiaries would like to see
something tangible in return. Recall Econ101: there is no free lunch.
【在 O******e 的大作中提到】
: 临床应用只是咱们做研究的目的之一。这个基本事实一万年也不会变。
:
: case
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m****n
发帖数: 1066 | 8 Most papers in biomedical science are SHUI HUO. Cancer research is not an
exception |
y**********n
发帖数: 478 | 9 照你这么说那些做数学，理论物理的是不是对science的亵渎？
money
see
【在 d***d 的大作中提到】
:
: Claiming that doing science is for the sake of science or curiosity is
: indeed very honorable and glorious, but honestly, can be very pretentious,
: too.
: Let's face it: where do we receive our research funding, and what are the
: funding agencies' expectations? Regardless of whether it's tax payers' money
: or some private foundation, eventually the beneficiaries would like to see
: something tangible in return. Recall Econ101: there is no free lunch.
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d***d
发帖数: 133 | 10
This is biology board and we are talking about research in the biological
field, funded mostly by NIH and other medical foundations. These
beneficiaries have a common mission to "uncover new knowledge that will lead
to better health for everyone", a.k.a., clinical applications. Science for
the sake of curiosity is, unfortunately, not their mission, and will be
frowned upon if put into a grant proposal. The politically correct way to
write an NIH grant proposal is to relate your research to some kind of
disease, and more recently, translational research.
Math and theoretical physics, on the other hand, get the majority of their
funding from NSF, which states in its mission "To promote the progress of
science". So there's nothing wrong or hypocritical for them to claim '
science for the sake of science'.
Simply put: we get paid by our funding agency and therefore have to abide by
their rules. Like it or not, you have to live with it.
【在 y**********n 的大作中提到】
: 照你这么说那些做数学，理论物理的是不是对science的亵渎？
:
: money
: see
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k****o
发帖数: 589 | 11 "We went through the paper line by line, figure by figure," said Begley. "I
explained that we re-did their experiment 50 times and never got their
result. He said they'd done it six times and got this result once, but put
it in the paper because it made the best story. It's very disillusioning."
这人居然有脸当面那样说 |
d*******j
发帖数: 64 | 12 应该把NIH内部的lab都改造成专门重复试验结果的机构，随机重复发表论文中的重要结
果，重复的效果登到公开的数据库里，作为申请/renew funding的参考。同时把学生，
博后的工资涨一倍，迫使一半的lab关门或者少雇人，剩下的人有个好点的前途，就没
人愿意冒险作弊了。现在造数据的这么多还不是生存太艰难给逼的 |
d*******r
发帖数: 3299 | 13 强烈顶这个，我老早就跟同学说过，美国政府就是需要拨大钱专门建立和运行这种lab
，才能建立起“结果验证机制”和“错误、夸大结果的责任回溯机制”。不然根本改变
不了学术界污浊的现状。
【在 d*******j 的大作中提到】
: 应该把NIH内部的lab都改造成专门重复试验结果的机构，随机重复发表论文中的重要结
: 果，重复的效果登到公开的数据库里，作为申请/renew funding的参考。同时把学生，
: 博后的工资涨一倍，迫使一半的lab关门或者少雇人，剩下的人有个好点的前途，就没
: 人愿意冒险作弊了。现在造数据的这么多还不是生存太艰难给逼的
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 14 凡是米犹dominate的行业，都是骗子横行，比如生物，比如金融。
【在 d*******j 的大作中提到】
: 应该把NIH内部的lab都改造成专门重复试验结果的机构，随机重复发表论文中的重要结
: 果，重复的效果登到公开的数据库里，作为申请/renew funding的参考。同时把学生，
: 博后的工资涨一倍，迫使一半的lab关门或者少雇人，剩下的人有个好点的前途，就没
: 人愿意冒险作弊了。现在造数据的这么多还不是生存太艰难给逼的
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k****a
发帖数: 7077 | 15 比如电影四皮鹁鸽，比如伍嗲伦？
【在 k*****r 的大作中提到】
: 凡是米犹dominate的行业，都是骗子横行，比如生物，比如金融。
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 16 还有搞13岁少女的破烂斯基。
【在 k****a 的大作中提到】
: 比如电影四皮鹁鸽，比如伍嗲伦？
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