m*******n
发帖数: 124 | 1 最近不少国内的朋友纷纷表示，很难申请到美国的千老职位，搜了搜opening貌似也不
是很多，感觉千老职位已经严重饱和了。。。 |
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 2 美国很多实验室都没有钱招人
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 最近不少国内的朋友纷纷表示，很难申请到美国的千老职位，搜了搜opening貌似也不
: 是很多，感觉千老职位已经严重饱和了。。。
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m**p
发帖数: 2471 | |
f**e
发帖数: 2160 | |
s******y
发帖数: 28562 | 5 正打算招一个有细胞骨架背景的
【在 m**p 的大作中提到】
: sunny，你还招人不？
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T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 6 好的opening(牛+好+大lab)一般不打廣告
打廣告的一般都不是好的opening.
直接發信給自己感興趣的實驗室問吧 |
a*********n
发帖数: 2526 | 7 国内不过来最好，过来的大部分跳了火坑
【在 T****r 的大作中提到】
: 好的opening(牛+好+大lab)一般不打廣告
: 打廣告的一般都不是好的opening.
: 直接發信給自己感興趣的實驗室問吧
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 8 Bull, good, and big lab, you will need your own funding to join. I
advertise because I want someone with good publication to apply especially
for a relatively new PI with funding. And it is true, these days you will
find very good candidate out of over 100 applications...and 90% of them are
from India.
【在 T****r 的大作中提到】
: 好的opening(牛+好+大lab)一般不打廣告
: 打廣告的一般都不是好的opening.
: 直接發信給自己感興趣的實驗室問吧
|
x******i
发帖数: 918 | 9 Just curious, how can you get own funding before joining the group? Apply at
home?
are
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Bull, good, and big lab, you will need your own funding to join. I
: advertise because I want someone with good publication to apply especially
: for a relatively new PI with funding. And it is true, these days you will
: find very good candidate out of over 100 applications...and 90% of them are
: from India.
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 10 This is for all the graduate students in case you PI never told you (he/she
should told you)! First you need to look for post-doc two years (minimum 1
year) before graduation and contact the PI to ask for possible co-writing a
fellowship (writing based on his research etc.) There are also post-doc
funding that does not restrict to which lab you can go, but you have to
write it with the help of your PI before you graduate. Btw, some of the lab
will still take you (if the fellowship is submitted), but you only get a
year contract.
at
【在 x******i 的大作中提到】
: Just curious, how can you get own funding before joining the group? Apply at
: home?
:
: are
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s****9
发帖数: 932 | 11 Many labs look at your publication to see whether you have a good chance to
get a fellowship. After they give you an offer, they give you some initial
results, write a proposal, submit to multiple foundations you before you
actually join the lab. That's why majority of people in Niu lab have a
fellowship.
she
1
a
lab
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: This is for all the graduate students in case you PI never told you (he/she
: should told you)! First you need to look for post-doc two years (minimum 1
: year) before graduation and contact the PI to ask for possible co-writing a
: fellowship (writing based on his research etc.) There are also post-doc
: funding that does not restrict to which lab you can go, but you have to
: write it with the help of your PI before you graduate. Btw, some of the lab
: will still take you (if the fellowship is submitted), but you only get a
: year contract.
:
: at
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f**e
发帖数: 2160 | |
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 13 I'm agreeing with you. I don't discriminate, but the Indian applications are
not cutting it. I have one application who has 30+ papers and zero first
authors, or published in journals that I have never heard of. I got few
American application and one of them have a criminal record (mugshot is
online) just by googling.... My current candidates are from China, everyone
of them have 1st author JACS or Angew., I'm impressed.
【在 f**e 的大作中提到】
: 印度人招多了实验室会跨的
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w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 14 主要是因为funding少了，经济危机后很多地方都没有new hire，
能维持现在的positions就已经不错了。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 最近不少国内的朋友纷纷表示，很难申请到美国的千老职位，搜了搜opening貌似也不
: 是很多，感觉千老职位已经严重饱和了。。。
|
s*******7
发帖数: 399 | 15 同意。2分钟能解决的事情，印度人会用1个小时去辩论，干活的时间大多都花在嘴皮上
，但搞social是真有一套。
I'm agreeing with you. I don't discriminate, but the Indian applications are
not cutting it. I have one application who has 30+ papers and zero first
authors, or published in journals that I have never heard of.。。
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: I'm agreeing with you. I don't discriminate, but the Indian applications are
: not cutting it. I have one application who has 30+ papers and zero first
: authors, or published in journals that I have never heard of. I got few
: American application and one of them have a criminal record (mugshot is
: online) just by googling.... My current candidates are from China, everyone
: of them have 1st author JACS or Angew., I'm impressed.
|
T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 16 不好意思讓一些人‘中槍’了，
不過我說的是‘一般’，沒有包括所有的
are
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: Bull, good, and big lab, you will need your own funding to join. I
: advertise because I want someone with good publication to apply especially
: for a relatively new PI with funding. And it is true, these days you will
: find very good candidate out of over 100 applications...and 90% of them are
: from India.
|
T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 17 我看到周圍還有位置...學校也慢慢的在招新的faculty,他們需要人的...
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 主要是因为funding少了，经济危机后很多地方都没有new hire，
: 能维持现在的positions就已经不错了。
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a***p
发帖数: 12 | 18 后半句我不能同意。
有的实验室的课题和梯队还不成熟，需要通过公开的招聘来扩大自己的实验室。
从长远来看这种lab可能会很有发展。
其实很多曾经杰出的professor已经没有创新的动力了。
【在 T****r 的大作中提到】
: 好的opening(牛+好+大lab)一般不打廣告
: 打廣告的一般都不是好的opening.
: 直接發信給自己感興趣的實驗室問吧
|
y****i
发帖数: 2194 | 19 This is pure bs.
往往都是烂lab才有这么多叽歪要求，牛lab才不care钱的问题
she
1
a
lab
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: This is for all the graduate students in case you PI never told you (he/she
: should told you)! First you need to look for post-doc two years (minimum 1
: year) before graduation and contact the PI to ask for possible co-writing a
: fellowship (writing based on his research etc.) There are also post-doc
: funding that does not restrict to which lab you can go, but you have to
: write it with the help of your PI before you graduate. Btw, some of the lab
: will still take you (if the fellowship is submitted), but you only get a
: year contract.
:
: at
|
T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 20 不想爭這個，只是告訴找位置人另一個方法:直接發信問老闆，可能多一個機會發現
available positions.
另外一個感覺是，曾經傑出，現在還是大lab的professor可能沒有現成的好課題，但是
他們可以提供一個好的平台，讓後來者繼續創新的....
【在 a***p 的大作中提到】
: 后半句我不能同意。
: 有的实验室的课题和梯队还不成熟，需要通过公开的招聘来扩大自己的实验室。
: 从长远来看这种lab可能会很有发展。
: 其实很多曾经杰出的professor已经没有创新的动力了。
|
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y**u
发帖数: 7459 | 21 我同意，我联系过的实验室没有这种要求的。听我老板说周围还是有不少lab有钱的，
不过老板不急着招人罢了。他们好像更希望找朋友推荐，直接或间接认识的。有一个明
确说过他只想在美国国内找。
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: This is pure bs.
: 往往都是烂lab才有这么多叽歪要求，牛lab才不care钱的问题
:
: she
: 1
: a
: lab
|
P*******1
发帖数: 169 | 22 I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
. I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
her board test for 4 months when she was disappearing. She claimed I was
exploiting her. In reality I was being exploited!
So when I have money, I do not hire. I use cores and services as much as
possible. They ask me to pay only for what they do for me. If they go and
study for board test, I do not have to pay for their time studying the tests!
【在 a*********n 的大作中提到】
: 国内不过来最好，过来的大部分跳了火坑
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T*****u
发帖数: 3257 | 23 可以理解可以理解。苦哈哈申请来的钱是得精打细算的用。
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【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
: the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
: else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
: don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
: the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
: she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
: between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
: suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
: day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
: . I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
|
t****a
发帖数: 1212 | 24 您真的是PI么？会不会像前几天一样一个什么鸟人冒充PI出来无间道的？
如果是PI的话，您给人定可以达到的目标了么？他们达到了么？达到了的话，您管他什
么时候来lab呢？莫非您追求的不是您的目标，而是如何榨取他们所有的精力和时间么
——从您的描述来看，说您是黄世仁不为过，是您在take advantage of你的手下，而
不是像您描述的那样倒过来。如果您跟手下搞不好关系，我一点都不会吃惊——您的态
度就有问题。如果说您的科研做的一塌糊涂，我也不会吃惊——您的精力很多都花在了
内耗和算计人上了。
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【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
: the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
: else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
: don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
: the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
: she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
: between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
: suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
: day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
: . I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
|
S**********e
发帖数: 1789 | 25 还是第一次听说是博后利用老板的。
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【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
: the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
: else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
: don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
: the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
: she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
: between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
: suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
: day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
: . I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
|
a**********2
发帖数: 3726 | 26 As long as she does her work, why can't she study for her board exams? She
uses the PCR running time to study, is there anything wrong with it? I think
the kind of advisor who think their students should work without break are
just too mean.
I did my board when I was a phd student. My advisor knew it and I did my
work pretty
efficiently as well. They work for you, they are not your slaves. My advisor
was an American. People are so different.
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【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
: the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
: else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
: don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
: the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
: she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
: between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
: suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
: day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
: . I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 27 You don't have to listen to me. It is my experience that you should apply
at least 1 year ahead if you are in the states already. If you are so in
the know, how long does the process take to get a Chinese post- doc into the
states? These days I know NAS members who don't have any money. Btw,
telling post-doc to get fellowship is tradition for many bull labs (at least
in biological chemistry).
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: This is pure bs.
: 往往都是烂lab才有这么多叽歪要求，牛lab才不care钱的问题
:
: she
: 1
: a
: lab
|
y****i
发帖数: 2194 | 28 It's not a tradition to hire postdoc, but commonly used as an excuse to turn
people down. wake up, dude. money is never a real issue for Niu lab if they
want you.
the
least
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: You don't have to listen to me. It is my experience that you should apply
: at least 1 year ahead if you are in the states already. If you are so in
: the know, how long does the process take to get a Chinese post- doc into the
: states? These days I know NAS members who don't have any money. Btw,
: telling post-doc to get fellowship is tradition for many bull labs (at least
: in biological chemistry).
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 29 One RT-PCR a day? I don't think that kind of productivity is good enough
for any research. He is either a very nice PI or to embarrassed to warn his
post-doc (I see post-doc cutting their own throats everyday). For example,
my Ph.D. adviser didn't get tenure because he tolerates such behavior in
his lab. It will also effect other people's willingness to work. All the
right to work states, you can fire a post-doc with a two weeks warning
regardless of reason unless institution has a different policy (btw,
California is one of them).
PS. Post-doc is a salary position. How many hours that you are working is
pointless. However, the research better get done (usually work longer than
8 hours).
【在 t****a 的大作中提到】
: 您真的是PI么？会不会像前几天一样一个什么鸟人冒充PI出来无间道的？
: 如果是PI的话，您给人定可以达到的目标了么？他们达到了么？达到了的话，您管他什
: 么时候来lab呢？莫非您追求的不是您的目标，而是如何榨取他们所有的精力和时间么
: ——从您的描述来看，说您是黄世仁不为过，是您在take advantage of你的手下，而
: 不是像您描述的那样倒过来。如果您跟手下搞不好关系，我一点都不会吃惊——您的态
: 度就有问题。如果说您的科研做的一塌糊涂，我也不会吃惊——您的精力很多都花在了
: 内耗和算计人上了。
:
: -
: next
|
t****a
发帖数: 1212 | 30 my Ph.D. adviser didn't get tenure because of his Phd student/Postdoc?
同学，你知道because of这个词的含义么？你确定不是因为你自个他才没有get tenure
么 :)
his
example,
than
【在 A******y 的大作中提到】
: One RT-PCR a day? I don't think that kind of productivity is good enough
: for any research. He is either a very nice PI or to embarrassed to warn his
: post-doc (I see post-doc cutting their own throats everyday). For example,
: my Ph.D. adviser didn't get tenure because he tolerates such behavior in
: his lab. It will also effect other people's willingness to work. All the
: right to work states, you can fire a post-doc with a two weeks warning
: regardless of reason unless institution has a different policy (btw,
: California is one of them).
: PS. Post-doc is a salary position. How many hours that you are working is
: pointless. However, the research better get done (usually work longer than
|
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a*******e
发帖数: 245 | 31 this is really true。
turn
they
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: It's not a tradition to hire postdoc, but commonly used as an excuse to turn
: people down. wake up, dude. money is never a real issue for Niu lab if they
: want you.
:
: the
: least
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 32 I know my English is not as good as yours, but where did I say that? He
tolerates his students and post-docs to be absent for long period of time
without coming into labs. If I told you the records of two Ph.D. students,
you will be shocked. Research not getting done will not help you publishing
papers and getting funded. I'm self motivated, and the most important
lesson I learned from him is how not to MANAGE a lab.
tenure
【在 t****a 的大作中提到】
: my Ph.D. adviser didn't get tenure because of his Phd student/Postdoc?
: 同学，你知道because of这个词的含义么？你确定不是因为你自个他才没有get tenure
: 么 :)
:
: his
: example,
: than
|
P*******1
发帖数: 169 | 33 干吗要申请？ 来了又抱怨是被人骗入火炕了。
【在 m*******n 的大作中提到】
: 最近不少国内的朋友纷纷表示，很难申请到美国的千老职位，搜了搜opening貌似也不
: 是很多，感觉千老职位已经严重饱和了。。。
|
g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 34 确实不该来,
更正重要的是减少招生.
除了几个名牌大学(最多扩大到985)和少数几个师范大学,
所有大学的生物学都应该关门.
那几个剩下的生物秀也应该减少招生.
【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: 干吗要申请？ 来了又抱怨是被人骗入火炕了。
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 35 Don't hire MD from China as post-docs. I will never do it, they are not
even real doctoral degree holders. |
b***l
发帖数: 122 | 36 不懂就别乱说。即使所谓的大牛，如果要招人，或者已经内定人选，也必须要打广告的
，在美国混，基本的东西还是要知道的。
【在 T****r 的大作中提到】
: 好的opening(牛+好+大lab)一般不打廣告
: 打廣告的一般都不是好的opening.
: 直接發信給自己感興趣的實驗室問吧
|
s******r
发帖数: 2876 | 37 postdoc不是什么正经职位，不打广告，或者打个谁都见不着的广告，
也多的是。
【在 b***l 的大作中提到】
: 不懂就别乱说。即使所谓的大牛，如果要招人，或者已经内定人选，也必须要打广告的
: ，在美国混，基本的东西还是要知道的。
|
A******y
发帖数: 2041 | 38 H1b visa requires ad. However, it is true, all the ad only have to be
posted on the hallway of the lab.
【在 s******r 的大作中提到】
: postdoc不是什么正经职位，不打广告，或者打个谁都见不着的广告，
: 也多的是。
|
T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 39 我還真沒覺得你有多懂，口氣大的要死，不懂裝懂還喜歡教訓別人....
【在 b***l 的大作中提到】
: 不懂就别乱说。即使所谓的大牛，如果要招人，或者已经内定人选，也必须要打广告的
: ，在美国混，基本的东西还是要知道的。
|
T****r
发帖数: 4006 | 40 再說一次，我知道的生物牛老版們沒有打廣告的，包括Nobel, NAS, HHMI, raising
stars....我覺得他們牛，可能你們覺得他們不牛，個人意見而已，想找茬的，請繼續
，我就不回了； 想申請他們實驗室的，發信問，要求帶funding去的實驗室直接略過，
不帶這麼要求的，沒錢還招什麼人呢？ |
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o**4
发帖数: 35028 | 41 你都招了些什么人啊
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【在 P*******1 的大作中提到】
: I do have money to recruit post-docs but I'm not doing so because most of
: the post-doc are simply trying to use PIs as stepping stones for something
: else. I understand why people want to move on to other professions, but I
: don't appreciate those who simply take advantage of PIs. I had someone in
: the lab who was paid 8 hours a day but was in the lab only for 3 hrs a day -
: she came in at 9 in the morning, set up PCR, then decided to disappear
: between 10- am - 4 PM, and left the lab at 6:30 PM. When I modestly
: suggested that we need some data to renew the grant, she flared up. The next
: day she started sending me notes: I got into the lab at 9, and left at 6:30
: . I overworked for 1.5 hours everyday. Later I found she was studying for
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发帖数: 215 | 42 PCR中间人都走了哪算有工作量啊。你就算在公司工作，一天8小时的工作量也该有。
你老板能忍受你是你运气非常好。或者说一个人给乞丐钱是因为这个人有同情心，而不
是这个人必须有给乞丐钱的义务，或者这个乞丐能逆天了说获得这个施舍给他的钱是
birthright.
博后本来就是一个通往faculty的中间态。如果一个人决定做博后的同时就在想着改行
，那为什么不直接去industry? 申不到industry的职位？这不是一个合理的借口，你人
生规划的失败和走的弯路是你个人选择和能力的最终结果，必须由你自己爬出泥潭。一
个学术界老板没有义务招你给你钱来来给解决你的生活来给你读board.
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【在 a**********2 的大作中提到】
: As long as she does her work, why can't she study for her board exams? She
: uses the PCR running time to study, is there anything wrong with it? I think
: the kind of advisor who think their students should work without break are
: just too mean.
: I did my board when I was a phd student. My advisor knew it and I did my
: work pretty
: efficiently as well. They work for you, they are not your slaves. My advisor
: was an American. People are so different.
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