C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 1 主要是strategy game
比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
BBS上也没有桌游版好象 | b*****s
发帖数: 11267 | 2 自己办一个
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是strategy game
: 比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
: BBS上也没有桌游版好象
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 3 没人玩
你玩么?
【在 b*****s 的大作中提到】
: 自己办一个
| b*****s
发帖数: 11267 | 4 你来dt玩？
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 没人玩
: 你玩么?
| B******e
发帖数: 378 | 5 catan 一般，我觉得 carcasonne好玩，有好多expansion,还可以网上玩
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是strategy game
: 比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
: BBS上也没有桌游版好象
| w*******n
发帖数: 773 | 6 我想弄一个四国军旗的group
大家到同一个服务器注册。 | Z*L
发帖数: 9598 | 7 搭车问有没有玩warcraft的？对战，1v1 2v2 3v3
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是strategy game
: 比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
: BBS上也没有桌游版好象
| s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 8 你怎么不gjj了？
【在 w*******n 的大作中提到】
: 我想弄一个四国军旗的group
: 大家到同一个服务器注册。
| s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 9 你去申请一个桌游版吧？
让我当板斧吧
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是strategy game
: 比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
: BBS上也没有桌游版好象
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 10 catan也有expansion 也可以上网玩..
你平时哪儿玩?
【在 B******e 的大作中提到】
: catan 一般，我觉得 carcasonne好玩，有好多expansion,还可以网上玩
| | | C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 11 这个去game版就成了 那边基本是网游版了
【在 Z*L 的大作中提到】
: 搭车问有没有玩warcraft的？对战，1v1 2v2 3v3
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 12 我资历太浅 会让人嘲笑到渣的
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你去申请一个桌游版吧？
: 让我当板斧吧
| B******e
发帖数: 378 | 13 我们两年前玩，现在不玩了 ，呵呵
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: catan也有expansion 也可以上网玩..
: 你平时哪儿玩?
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 14 and ticket to ride~
and also CLUE~ | s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 15 你玩了guitly party 这个游戏么？wii的
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: and ticket to ride~
: and also CLUE~
| b*****s
发帖数: 11267 | 16 好似我们狼人游戏玩错了
btw 据说老友聚开了
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你玩了guitly party 这个游戏么？wii的
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 17 nope, and i just looked it up. it's like clue? have u played it?
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你玩了guitly party 这个游戏么？wii的
| s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 18 我没玩过呀，你说起clue让我想到这个游戏，看amazon review还不错，不过review还
比较少
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: nope, and i just looked it up. it's like clue? have u played it?
| s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 19 那周末去吧？
【在 b*****s 的大作中提到】
: 好似我们狼人游戏玩错了
: btw 据说老友聚开了
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 20 the problem with these two games is that there are very LIMITED or NONE
interaction among players. For strategy board games, most part of fun come
from how your moves impact other players. That's where games like Catan/
Cacarsonne/PR/Bang(三国杀) shine :)
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: and ticket to ride~
: and also CLUE~
| | | s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 21 刚去看了一下，多了几个review,11个review都给5颗星好难得呀
有人说这个游戏就是电子版的clue.
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 我没玩过呀，你说起clue让我想到这个游戏，看amazon review还不错，不过review还
: 比较少
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 22 老系列第四家 不知道怎么样?
好笑的是 我居然是在一个英文杂志上看到这家店的消息的
【在 b*****s 的大作中提到】
: 好似我们狼人游戏玩错了
: btw 据说老友聚开了
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 23 出了有段时间了把 评价还可以
最近新出了一个wii party 评价很烂
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 你玩了guitly party 这个游戏么？wii的
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 24 what r u talking abt? the interaction is a lot!! it's all about how u can
gain information by others' play, like what cards they r taking, and what
cards they have. u constantly have to observe others to know when to put
down what and when to wait!
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: the problem with these two games is that there are very LIMITED or NONE
: interaction among players. For strategy board games, most part of fun come
: from how your moves impact other players. That's where games like Catan/
: Cacarsonne/PR/Bang(三国杀) shine :)
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 25 simply having observation (looking at others play) does not count as "
interaction"... the games that focus on interaction will require players to
talk, negotiate, and often take moves that benefit more than one player. For
example, you trade with other players in Catan, or you build roads/cities/
etc together with others in Carcassonne. In a board game, the toughest
decision usually comes from those moves that will benefit other players, so
you hesitate and deliberate before you move..which is the fun part of
strategy games. That's call INTERACTION - meaning something has to happen
between players during gameplay.
In TTR, unfortunately, the moves that have biggest impact on others is
probably to block other players, making them take longer route (which, IMO,
is also the toughest decision to make in this game). A counter example for
this on top of my mind, is a classic game - Chinese Checker - where you have
to block others but at the same time have to build paths for others.
The most extreme "interaction" game is probably Mafia, where ALL your moves
directly impact other players. :)
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: what r u talking abt? the interaction is a lot!! it's all about how u can
: gain information by others' play, like what cards they r taking, and what
: cards they have. u constantly have to observe others to know when to put
: down what and when to wait!
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 26 haha, because tricking people and making unfair negotiation is ur strongest
point ^^
it's fully to ur advantage that some unexperienced players get tricked and
trade with u without thinking and they can never win lol.
to
For
so
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: simply having observation (looking at others play) does not count as "
: interaction"... the games that focus on interaction will require players to
: talk, negotiate, and often take moves that benefit more than one player. For
: example, you trade with other players in Catan, or you build roads/cities/
: etc together with others in Carcassonne. In a board game, the toughest
: decision usually comes from those moves that will benefit other players, so
: you hesitate and deliberate before you move..which is the fun part of
: strategy games. That's call INTERACTION - meaning something has to happen
: between players during gameplay.
: In TTR, unfortunately, the moves that have biggest impact on others is
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 27 cool~ maybe we'll buy it then, cuz we love CLUE.
but we haven't played in so long... next time come to NW sub to play with us
!!
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 刚去看了一下，多了几个review,11个review都给5颗星好难得呀
: 有人说这个游戏就是电子版的clue.
| s*******e
发帖数: 15758 | 28 sure!I haven't played wii for a long time.
want to play dream race or super smash bros. brawl with u again!
us
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: cool~ maybe we'll buy it then, cuz we love CLUE.
: but we haven't played in so long... next time come to NW sub to play with us
: !!
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 29 well, in a strategy game, if you don't think carefully before you move, that
's your mistake (though I'm no expert to any board game so far, I know that
in any game where experts compete, the victory, 90% of the time, goes to the
player who makes fewest mistakes). Everyone starts out as a noob, and I'm
no exception. The determining factor is whether you learn from those
mistakes. No pain, no gain. I lost countless number of games when I first
started playing any game, including Catan. And I'm always aware that I need
those losses in order to get better. If a game does not take a fair amount
of losses to learn or master (e.g. even beginner can easily win against
veteran), then this game probably lacks strategy and weighs heavier towards
luck.
strongest
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: haha, because tricking people and making unfair negotiation is ur strongest
: point ^^
: it's fully to ur advantage that some unexperienced players get tricked and
: trade with u without thinking and they can never win lol.
:
: to
: For
: so
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 30 try ticket to ride online, and play with those experts...they r crazy (score
of over 190+) and i can't compete with them. i'm improving tho, it's true
that those strategies r aquired over time and experience.
and in catan, the ultimate strategy is not to trade card with u when u ask
us, and we win lol.
that
that
the
need
towards
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: well, in a strategy game, if you don't think carefully before you move, that
: 's your mistake (though I'm no expert to any board game so far, I know that
: in any game where experts compete, the victory, 90% of the time, goes to the
: player who makes fewest mistakes). Everyone starts out as a noob, and I'm
: no exception. The determining factor is whether you learn from those
: mistakes. No pain, no gain. I lost countless number of games when I first
: started playing any game, including Catan. And I'm always aware that I need
: those losses in order to get better. If a game does not take a fair amount
: of losses to learn or master (e.g. even beginner can easily win against
: veteran), then this game probably lacks strategy and weighs heavier towards
| | | C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 31 I'm not saying TTR does not require strategy, it just takes more luck than
strategy. And I like games with interaction more, which makes TTR less
interesting to me. Of course, there's nothing wrong with you favoring games
with less interaction.
As for Catan, it's a common rule of thumb that everyone should think twice
when trading with the player leading with 7+ points, because he/she is close
to winning. However, if you don't trade with a certain player whatsoever,
then you might as well just kick him out of the game, as Catan would degrade
to a simple game of dice rolling without trading part. Being able to trade
resources enables a variety of different strategies, which is the fun
because you'll have at least 4-5 ways to obtain victory.
score
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: try ticket to ride online, and play with those experts...they r crazy (score
: of over 190+) and i can't compete with them. i'm improving tho, it's true
: that those strategies r aquired over time and experience.
: and in catan, the ultimate strategy is not to trade card with u when u ask
: us, and we win lol.
:
: that
: that
: the
: need
| a*******n
发帖数: 832 | 32 哦，这个听着不错
喜欢clue！
【在 s*******e 的大作中提到】
: 刚去看了一下，多了几个review,11个review都给5颗星好难得呀
: 有人说这个游戏就是电子版的clue.
| a*******n
发帖数: 832 | 33 TTR偶尔玩一下觉得还挺好玩的，没法一直玩，因为不怎么需要动脑筋。lz的idea挺好
的，各种各样的穿插着玩才好玩，桌游也没必要分高下，有的注重luck的，有的注重
strategy，不然再好玩的游戏只玩那个也要厌掉的
games
close
degrade
trade
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: I'm not saying TTR does not require strategy, it just takes more luck than
: strategy. And I like games with interaction more, which makes TTR less
: interesting to me. Of course, there's nothing wrong with you favoring games
: with less interaction.
: As for Catan, it's a common rule of thumb that everyone should think twice
: when trading with the player leading with 7+ points, because he/she is close
: to winning. However, if you don't trade with a certain player whatsoever,
: then you might as well just kick him out of the game, as Catan would degrade
: to a simple game of dice rolling without trading part. Being able to trade
: resources enables a variety of different strategies, which is the fun
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 34 btw I don't see how u can score 190+ in TTR...at least not under the rule we
play
let's assume you're really, really, really lucky that you take all 7 6-cell
paths (there should be one of each color on the map plus one gray so thats 7
paths right..) that'd give you 15x7=105 points. This means you have to
score 85 from tickets to get 190, which means at least 6+ tickets. I simply
don't see how you can connect 6+ tix worth 85+ points in a normal game with
45 cars, even if you cheat. Well, maybe you can build more shorter routes to
get 6+ tix or more, but then you will be building shorter paths and gain
fewer points per car.
score
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: try ticket to ride online, and play with those experts...they r crazy (score
: of over 190+) and i can't compete with them. i'm improving tho, it's true
: that those strategies r aquired over time and experience.
: and in catan, the ultimate strategy is not to trade card with u when u ask
: us, and we win lol.
:
: that
: that
: the
: need
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 35 没有分高下的意思哈 我只是觉得有互动(interaction)的更好玩一点
话说刚才看了卡卡颂的扩展包 好多啊...
【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: TTR偶尔玩一下觉得还挺好玩的，没法一直玩，因为不怎么需要动脑筋。lz的idea挺好
: 的，各种各样的穿插着玩才好玩，桌游也没必要分高下，有的注重luck的，有的注重
: strategy，不然再好玩的游戏只玩那个也要厌掉的
:
: games
: close
: degrade
: trade
| a*******n
发帖数: 832 | 36 那我去看看
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 没有分高下的意思哈 我只是觉得有互动(interaction)的更好玩一点
: 话说刚才看了卡卡颂的扩展包 好多啊...
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 37 they get as many tickets as 8 or 9, and connect the whole map pretty much,
and earn the longest route + most tickets bonuses. they get new tickets like
non stop, and manage to complete them all using the most efficient way
possible. the best score i got was 156...
we
cell
7
simply
with
to
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: btw I don't see how u can score 190+ in TTR...at least not under the rule we
: play
: let's assume you're really, really, really lucky that you take all 7 6-cell
: paths (there should be one of each color on the map plus one gray so thats 7
: paths right..) that'd give you 15x7=105 points. This means you have to
: score 85 from tickets to get 190, which means at least 6+ tickets. I simply
: don't see how you can connect 6+ tix worth 85+ points in a normal game with
: 45 cars, even if you cheat. Well, maybe you can build more shorter routes to
: get 6+ tix or more, but then you will be building shorter paths and gain
: fewer points per car.
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 38 nonetheless, you have only 45 cars, how do u connect the whole map with 45
cars?
and sorry I guess a 6-cell path gets you only 13 points, not 15, so even 7x
6-cell paths net you 91 points
you probably need all conditions to be able score high:
1. you're lucky enough that you get ticket you need every turn, or 95% of
the time
2. you're lucky enough to draw 8+ destination cards that overlap each other
3. none of opponents play ANY defense and just let you build anywhere you
like
So basically you'll have to be extremely lucky AND play against a bunch of
noobs to get that high score...I would think advanced players DO play
defense so they will prevent other players to score too high. Just like in
basketball games, in Chinese league teams score 140 points in regular game
because they dont play defense, while in NBA between two top teams you
usually see under-100-point games
like
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: they get as many tickets as 8 or 9, and connect the whole map pretty much,
: and earn the longest route + most tickets bonuses. they get new tickets like
: non stop, and manage to complete them all using the most efficient way
: possible. the best score i got was 156...
:
: we
: cell
: 7
: simply
: with
| k*****3
发帖数: 442 | 39 no actually they never block, well, they don't block when it's out of their
way.
it's like they don't waste any tickets going to routes that r not their
mission, and i think that's the best way. and they put on the trains in the
order so that it's hard for others to block too (not knowing where they r
headed) cuz they don't leave out space between the trains for others to get
in, and of course it's online so ppl don't hear shouts like "oh shoot, i
better put this in before it's blocked!' like i said accidentally last time
lol, so ppl usually don't know where u r headed anyway.
of course there's luck involved, but there r experts who always win the game
and noobs that can't...because there's strategy, just like any game.
And 6 cell route is 15 points, not 13 i'm pretty sure.
7x
other
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: nonetheless, you have only 45 cars, how do u connect the whole map with 45
: cars?
: and sorry I guess a 6-cell path gets you only 13 points, not 15, so even 7x
: 6-cell paths net you 91 points
: you probably need all conditions to be able score high:
: 1. you're lucky enough that you get ticket you need every turn, or 95% of
: the time
: 2. you're lucky enough to draw 8+ destination cards that overlap each other
: 3. none of opponents play ANY defense and just let you build anywhere you
: like
| C***t
发帖数: 10731 | 40 never block = play no defense
so actually, its not that "they don't waste any tickets" instead its they
opponents let them have their way (i.e. build anywhere they want). Like my
example, mediocre teams don't play defense in basketball games so they score
high, while elite teams will actually guard their opponents. That's why the
higher caliber the teams are, the lower scores you see on the board.
Likewise, playing against experts in board games should make it MORE
DIFFICULT to score points, not easier. When you find it easier to score
points in any game (not just TTR), chances are you're playing against a
bunch of noobs :)
And I still don't know how u connect the whole map with 45 cars, I tried to
connect Vanc - Mont - Chi - NO - Phoenix and almost ran out of cars, just
try get maybe Den and i'm sure it'll drive you nuts
their
the
get
time
game
【在 k*****3 的大作中提到】
: no actually they never block, well, they don't block when it's out of their
: way.
: it's like they don't waste any tickets going to routes that r not their
: mission, and i think that's the best way. and they put on the trains in the
: order so that it's hard for others to block too (not knowing where they r
: headed) cuz they don't leave out space between the trains for others to get
: in, and of course it's online so ppl don't hear shouts like "oh shoot, i
: better put this in before it's blocked!' like i said accidentally last time
: lol, so ppl usually don't know where u r headed anyway.
: of course there's luck involved, but there r experts who always win the game
| | | p********s
发帖数: 766 | 41 波多黎各我喜欢的.冰与火的传奇是我最爱！！！强烈要求开桌游版． | l******0
发帖数: 110 | 42
我在网上玩过catan，不错，你在downtown附近组织，我应该可以参加。
【在 C***t 的大作中提到】
: 主要是strategy game
: 比如catan, carcasonne, puerto rico之类的
: BBS上也没有桌游版好象
|
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