f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 1 所有的故事是从这里开始的.
http://cyclocosm.com/2009/06/300-on-ebay-your-4000-frame/
有人注意到现在在 ebay 上有中国厂家大甩卖炭素车架,有些看起来像 Kuota,
有些看起来像 Orbea. 一只 $300, 他们还卖车头碗,水壶架,坐管,前叉,把手...
全是碳素,全都便宜得匪夷所思。在进了我的 Cervelo P1 以后 ($1450, 2009
closeout 货),我觉得我也应该把road bike 改头换面了。
目标:以最低的价格装出一台山寨 Kuota kredo.
第一步:把零件从我的老坐骑 Bianchi Boron XL 上拔下来,这件事远比听来的
容易。基本上只要一组 allen keys 就可以拆掉基本上所有的 bike parts.
Bianchi 上的 Campy Centaur 零件们基本还在可以工作的状态,就是需要洗一洗。
拆 crankset 是最麻烦的。要先用 8mm allen 拧下两个固定螺,再用 crank
puller 把大齿盘顶出来。刹车夹具,手把,煞变把,坐垫,后变,轮组,齿 |
f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 2 顺便一提,车子组完后需要调前后变。而我又不想花钱买修车架,那... 就挂在树上把。
整个 build 不含踏板是 18.5 lb。 $530 买个 18.5 lb 的 campy carbon
还行吧?
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所有的故事是从这里开始的. : http://cyclocosm.com/2009/06/300-on-ebay-your-4000-frame/ : 有人注意到现在在 ebay 上有中国厂家大甩卖炭素车架,有些看起来像 Kuota, : 有些看起来像 Orbea. 一只 $300, 他们还卖车头碗,水壶架,坐管,前叉,把手... : 全是碳素,全都便宜得匪夷所思。在进了我的 Cervelo P1 以后 ($1450, 2009 : closeout 货),我觉得我也应该把road bike 改头换面了。 : 目标:以最低的价格装出一台山寨 Kuota kredo. : 第一步:把零件从我的老坐骑 Bianchi Boron XL 上拔下来,这件事远比听来的 : 容易。基本上只要一组 allen keys 就可以拆掉基本上所有的 bike parts. : Bianchi 上的 Campy Centaur 零件们基本还在可以工作的状态,就是需要洗一洗。
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h******2 发帖数: 1498 | 3 congrats on the cervelo and kuota!
here are some unsolicited suggestions:
you might want to get some light wheels to go with the roadie, something
like neuvation or williams.
I'd also replace the seatpost and saddle.
For the seat post: http://www.kbcyclewerks.com/edge-phantom-seat-post-p-137.html?cPath=2_40
For the seat, try the black fizik airione.
You might also consider a pair of carbon pedals:
http://www.performancebike.com/bikes//Product_10052_10551_1033390_-1___
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h******2 发帖数: 1498 | 4 also, you might consider investing in a bike stand and a torque ranch, if
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 5 谢谢。现在的轮组是 Ambrosio 替 Bianchi 做的,不是太轻 (weight weenie 上说
~1750g) 但还过得去。有钱了再上 neuvation. seatpost 是该换 -- 比所有其他的
sp 都重了近 200g。saddle 在这车上实在是丑得出奇,但是我又比较习惯坐他了...
还有一我想到的减重目标是 crankset. Centaur 的 alloy crankset 近 900g
重,随便哪个 carbon crankset 都比他轻近一磅。
something
p-137.html?cPath=2_40
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$600), you
【在 h******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : congrats on the cervelo and kuota! : here are some unsolicited suggestions: : you might want to get some light wheels to go with the roadie, something : like neuvation or williams. : I'd also replace the seatpost and saddle. : For the seat post: http://www.kbcyclewerks.com/edge-phantom-seat-post-p-137.html?cPath=2_40 : For the seat, try the black fizik airione. : You might also consider a pair of carbon pedals: : http://www.performancebike.com/bikes//Product_10052_10551_1033390_-1___ : With these upgrades, plus
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r**m 发帖数: 1825 | 6 I have the same concern as this guy's comment:
I love the bardering and getting a “good deal”, but buying a knock off
purse for my wife or a shirt that made it’s way out the back door of a
factory is one thing. I will never rely on a blackmarket shirt going around
a corner in a crit at 30 mph. Who know’s how safe that unmarked Kuota
really is? Did it pass final inspection? What it a reject that someone snuck
out the door? Not something that I would want to find out at the wrong
moment.
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 所有的故事是从这里开始的. : http://cyclocosm.com/2009/06/300-on-ebay-your-4000-frame/ : 有人注意到现在在 ebay 上有中国厂家大甩卖炭素车架,有些看起来像 Kuota, : 有些看起来像 Orbea. 一只 $300, 他们还卖车头碗,水壶架,坐管,前叉,把手... : 全是碳素,全都便宜得匪夷所思。在进了我的 Cervelo P1 以后 ($1450, 2009 : closeout 货),我觉得我也应该把road bike 改头换面了。 : 目标:以最低的价格装出一台山寨 Kuota kredo. : 第一步:把零件从我的老坐骑 Bianchi Boron XL 上拔下来,这件事远比听来的 : 容易。基本上只要一组 allen keys 就可以拆掉基本上所有的 bike parts. : Bianchi 上的 Campy Centaur 零件们基本还在可以工作的状态,就是需要洗一洗。
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h******2 发帖数: 1498 | 7 The guy who posted that comment is most likely someone who works for a "name
brand" company. Who would otherwise regularly visit those factories,
scrutinize their management, and bash the ISO9002 process?
Bottom line is, as far as for all the people racing on these no name frames
(myself included, pedalforce), I have yet to see a single post about such a
no-name frame cracking during race.
On the contrary, I personally know a guy who has cracked two Cervelo frames,
and he is not a racer.
arou
【在 r**m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I have the same concern as this guy's comment: : I love the bardering and getting a “good deal”, but buying a knock off : purse for my wife or a shirt that made it’s way out the back door of a : factory is one thing. I will never rely on a blackmarket shirt going around : a corner in a crit at 30 mph. Who know’s how safe that unmarked Kuota : really is? Did it pass final inspection? What it a reject that someone snuck : out the door? Not something that I would want to find out at the wrong : moment.
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 8 如果山寨车架只有正牌车的 1/10 价格,那谁还需要牌子+保证?坏了再买就是。要一
路坏十只的几率
也不太大吧?品牌 carbon 车也是会爆炸的(http://www.bustedcarbon.com/)。
我测试这件事是为了让广大想骑好车的理工 wsn 找个出路。你会组电脑你就会组单车。
around
snuck
【在 r**m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I have the same concern as this guy's comment: : I love the bardering and getting a “good deal”, but buying a knock off : purse for my wife or a shirt that made it’s way out the back door of a : factory is one thing. I will never rely on a blackmarket shirt going around : a corner in a crit at 30 mph. Who know’s how safe that unmarked Kuota : really is? Did it pass final inspection? What it a reject that someone snuck : out the door? Not something that I would want to find out at the wrong : moment.
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w********6 发帖数: 12977 | 9 我也是,如果我騎車下山,每小時40-50邁,還是安全點好 |
W****1 发帖数: 118 | 10 如果是关系到人的生命,不是开玩笑,还是少用点山寨的东西。公路车下坡时是很危险
,当然是希望车架没问题。如是真的有事的话。到时候找谁去呢? 如果是有品牌的车
,最起码可以打官司,得到赔赏。
around
snuck
【在 r**m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I have the same concern as this guy's comment: : I love the bardering and getting a “good deal”, but buying a knock off : purse for my wife or a shirt that made it’s way out the back door of a : factory is one thing. I will never rely on a blackmarket shirt going around : a corner in a crit at 30 mph. Who know’s how safe that unmarked Kuota : really is? Did it pass final inspection? What it a reject that someone snuck : out the door? Not something that I would want to find out at the wrong : moment.
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 11 就我目前在 bikeforum 等地方看到的,还没有伤亡报道。现在很多人
以给这种车贴牌为生,还有人骑着它去比赛。(我自己是会骑 P1 上阵)
再者,我们的力量远不到可以把车架逼到近 spec 极限的程度(我可不是
Thor,力量那么大还敢骑 cervelo 的 prototype).
最后,近十年只有一人在 Tour 下坡时车子坏掉摔残了,他的名字是
Joseba Beloki, 他骑的是 Giant TCR composite.
【在 W****1 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 如果是关系到人的生命,不是开玩笑,还是少用点山寨的东西。公路车下坡时是很危险 : ,当然是希望车架没问题。如是真的有事的话。到时候找谁去呢? 如果是有品牌的车 : ,最起码可以打官司,得到赔赏。 : : around : snuck
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h******2 发帖数: 1498 | 12 Anyway, as long as you're riding the bike, no need to justify the purchase
of an OEM or a name-brand frame.
I'm racing my pedal force in a crit on Sunday. |
f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 13 今天出去试骑时发现车鞋的跟会擦到 chainstay. Kuota 的左 chainstay
长得极胖。 我可能要被迫(微笑)把 crankset 换成 chorus/record,
他们的 crank arms 比较出去。要去掉 200g 了。
yay. 祝出征。 |
b******n 发帖数: 1269 | 14 Baloki crashed not because the frame broke. I have watched that scene not
less than 50 times... Tubular tire rolled off the overheated rim.
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 就我目前在 bikeforum 等地方看到的,还没有伤亡报道。现在很多人 : 以给这种车贴牌为生,还有人骑着它去比赛。(我自己是会骑 P1 上阵) : 再者,我们的力量远不到可以把车架逼到近 spec 极限的程度(我可不是 : Thor,力量那么大还敢骑 cervelo 的 prototype). : 最后,近十年只有一人在 Tour 下坡时车子坏掉摔残了,他的名字是 : Joseba Beloki, 他骑的是 Giant TCR composite.
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 15 决定把 crankset 换成 FSA GOSSAMER。又便宜又和 P1 的 gearing 类似。
我在 P1 和 Bianchi 一直用不一样的 shifting 习惯,十分不满意。
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 今天出去试骑时发现车鞋的跟会擦到 chainstay. Kuota 的左 chainstay : 长得极胖。 我可能要被迫(微笑)把 crankset 换成 chorus/record, : 他们的 crank arms 比较出去。要去掉 200g 了。 : yay. 祝出征。
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 16 花了 30 分钟把 Centaur 换成 FSA Gossamer ($35, craigslist, 一个家伙从真正的
Kuota 上拆下来的)compact 50/34, 车子立马轻了近半磅。(原来的是 Centaur 860g
+
Chorus BB 220g = 1080g, FSA 大盘加 BB 905g) 代价:前变的顺畅程度大减,不知道
是因为
non-campy crank 还是 compact 的原因。
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 决定把 crankset 换成 FSA GOSSAMER。又便宜又和 P1 的 gearing 类似。 : 我在 P1 和 Bianchi 一直用不一样的 shifting 习惯,十分不满意。
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 19 卖。但是成色不咋地。headset 要重装,车身有 dent,前叉废了(因为铁的头管竟然
锈了)
拿来当 beater 还是 single speeder/fixie 可能还行?
【在 r***o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : BIANCH 架子成色怎样, 卖么?
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 20 我在贴出来以后又换了一缸子东西。
crankset: 换成了 FSA Gossamer
saddle: 换成了 fizik pave
seatpost: 趁 performance 半价买了他们的铝管,准备以后锯一锯
stem:太长,换成了 90mm 的 Vision sizemore
有钱了再上轮组
something
p-137.html?cPath=2_40
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$600), you
【在 h******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : congrats on the cervelo and kuota! : here are some unsolicited suggestions: : you might want to get some light wheels to go with the roadie, something : like neuvation or williams. : I'd also replace the seatpost and saddle. : For the seat post: http://www.kbcyclewerks.com/edge-phantom-seat-post-p-137.html?cPath=2_40 : For the seat, try the black fizik airione. : You might also consider a pair of carbon pedals: : http://www.performancebike.com/bikes//Product_10052_10551_1033390_-1___ : With these upgrades, plus
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r*******1 发帖数: 4394 | 21 贴张图看看呗?看看整体效果啥样地。
【在 f**********e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我在贴出来以后又换了一缸子东西。 : crankset: 换成了 FSA Gossamer : saddle: 换成了 fizik pave : seatpost: 趁 performance 半价买了他们的铝管,准备以后锯一锯 : stem:太长,换成了 90mm 的 Vision sizemore : 有钱了再上轮组 : : something : p-137.html?cPath=2_40 : 1___
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f**********e 发帖数: 1994 | 22 看看你催眠的成果:
something
现在是老版的 FSA RD-400, 1450g
现在是 Thomson 31.6x287mm, 190g
p-137.html?cPath=2_40
现在是 selle san marco aspide trigel, 150g?
【在 h******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : congrats on the cervelo and kuota! : here are some unsolicited suggestions: : you might want to get some light wheels to go with the roadie, something : like neuvation or williams. : I'd also replace the seatpost and saddle. : For the seat post: http://www.kbcyclewerks.com/edge-phantom-seat-post-p-137.html?cPath=2_40 : For the seat, try the black fizik airione. : You might also consider a pair of carbon pedals: : http://www.performancebike.com/bikes//Product_10052_10551_1033390_-1___ : With these upgrades, plus
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h******2 发帖数: 1498 | 23 now you gotta post the total weight :)
折腾无止境,生命在于折腾:) |
x********n 发帖数: 1188 | 24 这也是俺的座右铭阿
【在 h******2 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : now you gotta post the total weight :) : 折腾无止境,生命在于折腾:)
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T****i 发帖数: 142 | |