b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 1 这保密工作太差了。
Speaker John Boehner told Republicans that the internal debate over
immigration reform is an “important conversation,” as the House GOP kicked
off its closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon.
Boehner said the House will “not” take up the Senate-passed bill, but said
members must do something to address the issue, according to sources inside
the room.
Majority Leader Eric Cantor, harkening back to when President Barack Obama
first took office, said Republicans need to have a counter offer, just like
their alternative to the stimulus.
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V**3 发帖数: 12756 | 2 差不多,跟伯纳一贯立场吻合
就是不接受参院版本,自己搞,但是自己要搞出来个啥东西才好
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【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这保密工作太差了。 : Speaker John Boehner told Republicans that the internal debate over : immigration reform is an “important conversation,” as the House GOP kicked : off its closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon. : Boehner said the House will “not” take up the Senate-passed bill, but said : members must do something to address the issue, according to sources inside : the room. : Majority Leader Eric Cantor, harkening back to when President Barack Obama : first took office, said Republicans need to have a counter offer, just like : their alternative to the stimulus.
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 3 pelosi今天也给boehner发信了,支持house搞自己的版本。
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 差不多,跟伯纳一贯立场吻合 : 就是不接受参院版本,自己搞,但是自己要搞出来个啥东西才好 : : kicked : said : inside : like
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s*****n 发帖数: 839 | 4 so does it mean they will not pass the senate bill, and will generate its
own bill?
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【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这保密工作太差了。 : Speaker John Boehner told Republicans that the internal debate over : immigration reform is an “important conversation,” as the House GOP kicked : off its closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon. : Boehner said the House will “not” take up the Senate-passed bill, but said : members must do something to address the issue, according to sources inside : the room. : Majority Leader Eric Cantor, harkening back to when President Barack Obama : first took office, said Republicans need to have a counter offer, just like : their alternative to the stimulus.
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 6 是的。特别是pelosi也发话了。
【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : so does it mean they will not pass the senate bill, and will generate its : own bill? : : kicked : said : inside : like
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s*****n 发帖数: 839 | 7 if house and senate keep generating their own bills without getting passed
by each other, then CIR will die still :(
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 是的。特别是pelosi也发话了。
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q********c 发帖数: 1774 | 8 关键就看七人帮的细节了,有没有path to citizenship,没有就拉倒。 |
b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 9 七人帮的bill肯定有path to citizenship.只要是CIR,就有path to citizenship.只有
piecemeal是不包括path to citizenship。
【在 q********c 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 关键就看七人帮的细节了,有没有path to citizenship,没有就拉倒。
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 10 上conference产生一个最终版本的bill.
【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if house and senate keep generating their own bills without getting passed : by each other, then CIR will die still :(
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q********c 发帖数: 1774 | 11 先做做homework吧,建议看看什么叫conference. 只要House bill有path to
citizenship, 一切都好谈,就有希望。
【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if house and senate keep generating their own bills without getting passed : by each other, then CIR will die still :(
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s*****n 发帖数: 839 | 12 what need to be done by what time in order for the final versioned bill to
be voted for?
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 上conference产生一个最终版本的bill.
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k*****g 发帖数: 316 | 13 这种没有营养的论调,难道指望house直接拿senate pass的bill投票?那还要两党干嘛
。如果两党肯互相妥协,就和最后senate做修改的过程一样,多几个版本的bill都没有
问题,现在就看到底house有没有意愿支持cir,而不是house有没有意愿支持senate
【在 s*****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if house and senate keep generating their own bills without getting passed : by each other, then CIR will die still :(
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v***g 发帖数: 126 | 14 use twitter to check updates,very quick
Gaby Pacheco @GabyPacheco1 9m
RT @seungminkim Paul Ryan has spoken inside immigration meeting, message was
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e****s 发帖数: 1125 | 15 关键词: house CIR
会不会release,什么时候release。
如果允许House CIR近期出来,就表示这个法案得到了双方高层的首肯,8月前过house
是没有问题的。如果House CIR不出,基本上表示GOP不想CIR过了。 |
v***g 发帖数: 126 | 16 Russell Berman @russellberman now
Boehner & Ryan urged House GOP to act on #immigration in meeting, said they'
d be in a weaker position if they didn't, Rep. Tom Cole said. |
k*****o 发帖数: 1972 | 17 他们就一直不表态有没有有没有citizen path,
很可能就是在拖的啊
如果7人帮没有一两周内没有动作,就肯定挂了。
想成事,大家有了共识就露底牌最好,对不?
共和党现在明显是在拖。
说老实话,个人觉得凶多吉少。
只是不知道,这样拖,
他们可以拿什么借口来敷衍这个问题:
为什么house在八月份前拿不出来一个bill?共和党不想cir,是吗?
难道共和党厚着脸皮说,peices of meal 就是他们给老黑的答案么?
然后两党就可以你说你的,我说我的,都不认账,
都觉得自己蒙了所有人,各自拿到credit?
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k*****g 发帖数: 316 | 18 小re一下。
只要有bill,都好谈,根本的分歧在对边境安全的定义。我觉得这个有点扯,但是看
House GOP里面有话语权的有多积极了。
house
【在 e****s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 关键词: house CIR : 会不会release,什么时候release。 : 如果允许House CIR近期出来,就表示这个法案得到了双方高层的首肯,8月前过house : 是没有问题的。如果House CIR不出,基本上表示GOP不想CIR过了。
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 19 七人帮bill已经写好了。有15年citizen path.不公布原因我猜是高层不让公布。
【在 k*****o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 他们就一直不表态有没有有没有citizen path, : 很可能就是在拖的啊 : 如果7人帮没有一两周内没有动作,就肯定挂了。 : 想成事,大家有了共识就露底牌最好,对不? : 共和党现在明显是在拖。 : 说老实话,个人觉得凶多吉少。 : 只是不知道,这样拖, : 他们可以拿什么借口来敷衍这个问题: : 为什么house在八月份前拿不出来一个bill?共和党不想cir,是吗? : 难道共和党厚着脸皮说,peices of meal 就是他们给老黑的答案么?
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i***l 发帖数: 9994 | 20 不知道为啥不让公布呢?难道条件还没有谈妥?
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 七人帮bill已经写好了。有15年citizen path.不公布原因我猜是高层不让公布。
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k*****o 发帖数: 1972 | 21 这句话有两个假设:
1.罗富贵阿姨没说谎;
2.可能高层不让公布。
1很可能是对的(这时候两党还合拍演戏,不太可能);
2不一定啊。
正如有人直说了,这些捕风捉影的话只是让共和党好下台而已
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 七人帮bill已经写好了。有15年citizen path.不公布原因我猜是高层不让公布。
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k*b 发帖数: 1256 | 22 15年跟13年差距不大嘛,各退一步14年成交 :)
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 七人帮bill已经写好了。有15年citizen path.不公布原因我猜是高层不让公布。
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 23 非法移民合法化是民主党的底线。没这个,七人帮早就解散了。
【在 k*****o 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这句话有两个假设: : 1.罗富贵阿姨没说谎; : 2.可能高层不让公布。 : 1很可能是对的(这时候两党还合拍演戏,不太可能); : 2不一定啊。 : 正如有人直说了,这些捕风捉影的话只是让共和党好下台而已
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 24 Tom Cole是boehner的铁哥们。
they'
【在 v***g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Russell Berman @russellberman now : Boehner & Ryan urged House GOP to act on #immigration in meeting, said they' : d be in a weaker position if they didn't, Rep. Tom Cole said.
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y********n 发帖数: 3922 | 25 开会就是个形式而已,布什家族已经放话,红脖子如果胆敢螳臂当车让我们家族的人
2016当不了总统,你们以后的竞选资金就靠自己筹划了。
红脖子党员当场就拉裤子里了,纷纷表示会全力支持CIR。 |
p******i 发帖数: 45 | 26 我问个比较白的问题,大家不要笑话我,这里说的15是指要等15年之后才可以办公民,
还是2015年?如果是15年之后拿公民,那劳模不会太稀罕吧,靠孩子拿公民可能反倒更
快呢。。。
【在 k*b 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 15年跟13年差距不大嘛,各退一步14年成交 :)
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b*****e 发帖数: 53215 | 27 稀罕的是RPI,比绿卡强多了
【在 p******i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我问个比较白的问题,大家不要笑话我,这里说的15是指要等15年之后才可以办公民, : 还是2015年?如果是15年之后拿公民,那劳模不会太稀罕吧,靠孩子拿公民可能反倒更 : 快呢。。。
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k*b 发帖数: 1256 | 28 你要是真的以为RPI比绿卡强,没人拦着你撕护照去申请RPI。
【在 b*****e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 稀罕的是RPI,比绿卡强多了
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k*b 发帖数: 1256 | 29 15年以后,2028年。所以CIR根本没有一些人说的天下大乱那么严重。
【在 p******i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我问个比较白的问题,大家不要笑话我,这里说的15是指要等15年之后才可以办公民, : 还是2015年?如果是15年之后拿公民,那劳模不会太稀罕吧,靠孩子拿公民可能反倒更 : 快呢。。。
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d*********y 发帖数: 748 | 30 This key point is the HOUSE is running out of time. It's almost mid-July,
but where is the HOUSE CIR bill??? If HOUSE cannot pass its own CIR bill
before August recess, then CIR is doomed. We only have three weeks left, and
we haven't seen any bill yet.
【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : pelosi今天也给boehner发信了,支持house搞自己的版本。
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d*********y 发帖数: 748 | 31 Boehner said HOUSE must do something, but how could the HOUSE finish such a
large BILL within only three weeks? We even haven't seen the bill yet, not
to mention lengthy debate and numerous amendments, these all need time!
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【在 b*****d 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这保密工作太差了。 : Speaker John Boehner told Republicans that the internal debate over : immigration reform is an “important conversation,” as the House GOP kicked : off its closed-door meeting Wednesday afternoon. : Boehner said the House will “not” take up the Senate-passed bill, but said : members must do something to address the issue, according to sources inside : the room. : Majority Leader Eric Cantor, harkening back to when President Barack Obama : first took office, said Republicans need to have a counter offer, just like : their alternative to the stimulus.
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V**3 发帖数: 12756 | 32 时间不是问题,早就说了, 如果开写的话,三天就够,一大帮议员的助手呢,就干这
个的
问题是现在议员们意见没有统一,这才是问题
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【在 d*********y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : This key point is the HOUSE is running out of time. It's almost mid-July, : but where is the HOUSE CIR bill??? If HOUSE cannot pass its own CIR bill : before August recess, then CIR is doomed. We only have three weeks left, and : we haven't seen any bill yet.
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n********r 发帖数: 4558 | 33 Exactly.
House gang of 7, formerly gang of 8, has spent 4 years on this.
The term, not the time, is the problem.
【在 V**3 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 时间不是问题,早就说了, 如果开写的话,三天就够,一大帮议员的助手呢,就干这 : 个的 : 问题是现在议员们意见没有统一,这才是问题 : : and
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b*****d 发帖数: 61690 | 34 Boehner has publicly and privately encouraged a bipartisan group of House
lawmakers who have met in secret for more than four years to craft a
comprehensive proposal. That group has stumbled repeatedly in recent months,
and though its 500-page bill has been drafted, it has yet to be released.
Read more: http://thehill.com/homenews/house/310259-boehner-gop-would-be-in-much-weaker-position-without-action-on-immigration#ixzz2YgKLa8bG
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【在 n********r 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Exactly. : House gang of 7, formerly gang of 8, has spent 4 years on this. : The term, not the time, is the problem.
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