t****e
发帖数: 95 | 1 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
的想法。
1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
会影响其他课的安排（事实上他不敢这么说，一来他没有去查时间，二来就算他查也会
发现完全可以改到10点以后）。我认为他这样的回复完全是打官腔。我不能接受的原因
是他的回复完全忽略了我的family reason，既然这门课的时间安排本来就不是固定的
，为什么不可以在不影响教学的前提下accomondate一下faculty的family reason？如
果不考虑，就直接说的我理由不充分，而不是找些冠冕堂皇的理由。
Chair：...The class has been set at a time to fit our program and teaching
plan。
Me：...The question is whether this course has to be taught at 9:00 in XX
Hall.There may be other time slots open in other locations that could
equally or better serve the department. In particular, this course was
previously taught at other times and other locations.
2. 我承认我email里的语气有点强硬。那是因为他没有给我一个可以信服的理由，让我
感受到他根本不考虑faculty的family-related request，一直强调时间定好了fit我们
的program，所以我才有那句“Does this mean you select a time and place for
all assigned courses and faculty members can't request to change them?”。然
后他的威胁的话就来了。既然他这么威胁的话都来了，我当时也就豁出去了，就追着让
他解释那句话的含义。他在回复里一直不敢直接面对他说过的那句话，而且态度明显缓
和了许多，那不就就证明了他自己也意识到自己说错话了，也证明并不是其他网友分析
的是指教学事故。
3.现在的问题是，到底我应不应该去见dean？看了大家的留言后说实话我现在不知道。
我想如果去见的话，我准备先问dean如果我们faculty有family reason可不可要求改上
课时间？或者系主任在make schedule 的时候，应不应该考虑faculty的合理请求？同
时指出系主任的回复完全没有考虑family related accomondation。 然后，最重要的
是反应那句威胁的话的严重性并要求系主任道歉。如果不去反应，是不是更给他一个软
弱的印象（他以前对我say no的情况已经很多了，到不是我得罪过他，他对很多人都那
样）。也许这是个在他面前树立威信的好机会？
大家肯定有不同的想法，我欢迎大家的意见，只希望不要骂人就好。这个帖子至少为大
家提供了一个案例，大家的想法都是有用的，以后大家遇到类似的情况也有参考。最后
祝大家新年快乐，2016文章多多，funding多多。 | h********0
发帖数: 12056 | 2 你这一贴老邢到底给你多少伪币？
没人认为不能提出该上课时间，你让人民群众义愤填膺的是你的
矫性。你家孩子是上帝的宠儿，只能九点起床，而我们的孩子7点
就必须起床。你要求改课人家就必须该，就因为你是资深教授，你就
有特权，我们资浅教授就只能被你们欺负。你欺负不到人就满脑门
不高兴。
能不能顺便告诉我们一下你是如何提前 疼牛的，敬佩中。 | f*******7
发帖数: 1019 | 3 呵呵，楼主就接着闹吧
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
: 充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
: 改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
: 的想法。
: 1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
: 及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
: 现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
: faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
: 不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
: 里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
| r*****s
发帖数: 133 | 4 没有人说你不可以提要求，你提的这个要求不过分，但系主任有自己的考量不能满足你
提的要求也是正常的。
做系主任很多事都要平衡一下，这种小事你的确不应该三番五次去麻烦人家给人家添乱
。几封email(况且你email的语气不好)折腾下来，脾气再好的人也会受不了。
你应该听多数人的意见，跟Dean取消见面然后自己跟系主任道歉说自己不够
considerate.
再说了，你的孩子过了几年也要上小学了，不给养成早睡早起的好习惯到时候天天迟到
没哪个学校愿意收。 | M****o
发帖数: 4860 | 5 你这叫fight unnecessary battles
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
: 充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
: 改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
: 的想法。
: 1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
: 及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
: 现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
: faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
: 不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
: 里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
| b****e
发帖数: 1569 | 6 同敬佩中，我早在那楼里，第一时间就表达过----我服的都五体投地了和矫情的一塌糊涂
能不能也给总结一下为啥那楼给盖的那么高？ 亮点到底在哪儿？
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】
: 你这一贴老邢到底给你多少伪币？
: 没人认为不能提出该上课时间，你让人民群众义愤填膺的是你的
: 矫性。你家孩子是上帝的宠儿，只能九点起床，而我们的孩子7点
: 就必须起床。你要求改课人家就必须该，就因为你是资深教授，你就
: 有特权，我们资浅教授就只能被你们欺负。你欺负不到人就满脑门
: 不高兴。
: 能不能顺便告诉我们一下你是如何提前 疼牛的，敬佩中。
| f*****t
发帖数: 477 | | j******l
发帖数: 2790 | 8 这是我看了你所有相关的贴后的感觉：
第一，你的系主任不够贴心说话没什么分寸当选不了年度好老板，但是你也好不到哪去
，如果我是Dean的话看见你来告状会觉得五十步笑百步。
第二，原帖里批评你甚至骂你神经病的，话糙理不糙：你缺少些common sense，察颜观
色能力较弱。对英语的正确使用也有问题，导致火上浇油，不是说你语法不对，是语气
大大的有问题，这也是为什么版主一直在强调应该去和系主任面谈一次。本来一件芝麻
大的事，也能被你搞成被威胁和骚扰，有偶然也有必然，你这次不虚心接受教训以后这
种事不会少，不管多nice的人做系主任都一样。
第三，我要是你的话就选择及时止损。去告系主任你运气好的话顶多恶心人家一下，你
又能拿到什么好处？不去告系主任也不会谢谢你。倒是应该去和系主任解释下之前自己
火气有点大，现在发现全是误会，给系主任赔个理道个歉，希望以后给安排课的时候能
更flexible一点点。你给他送点小礼也可以嘛，你们系主任一看就是一书呆子，肯定吃
软不吃硬，你还非要和他硬碰硬，你服软顶多丢些面子，得到的可是实惠哦。要学会操
控别人，而不是被操控。
最后，到底TMD是哪些loser灌输了一个这样的概念：有了tenure你就可以横着走路了，
难道人生就这么点追求？
叔今天是大姨夫又来了，明知道跳这个烂坑浪费时间对牛弹琴，但是不跳又不舒服。 | r****y
发帖数: 1437 | 9 讲得好。
这原帖如果不是坑，我真的只能说原楼主需要情商好好补课啊。
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 这是我看了你所有相关的贴后的感觉：
: 第一，你的系主任不够贴心说话没什么分寸当选不了年度好老板，但是你也好不到哪去
: ，如果我是Dean的话看见你来告状会觉得五十步笑百步。
: 第二，原帖里批评你甚至骂你神经病的，话糙理不糙：你缺少些common sense，察颜观
: 色能力较弱。对英语的正确使用也有问题，导致火上浇油，不是说你语法不对，是语气
: 大大的有问题，这也是为什么版主一直在强调应该去和系主任面谈一次。本来一件芝麻
: 大的事，也能被你搞成被威胁和骚扰，有偶然也有必然，你这次不虚心接受教训以后这
: 种事不会少，不管多nice的人做系主任都一样。
: 第三，我要是你的话就选择及时止损。去告系主任你运气好的话顶多恶心人家一下，你
: 又能拿到什么好处？不去告系主任也不会谢谢你。倒是应该去和系主任解释下之前自己
| S***n
发帖数: 102 | 10 I am sorry that your holidays were ruined by this incident (HR would call it
if you were to file a complaint). I would first ask if the class schedules
for next fall were first announced by your university and checked by faculty
members before finalization (by your department head- DH). If yes and you
missed the chance to choose your time slot, then you would have to bear some
responsibilities when you have to reschedule your class. If not, then your
DH should consult with faculty members. In fact, we do it for 2-3 rounds
before finalizing our class schedules. I am not sure if your department has
a formal procedure to schedule classes.
Second, we should recognize that, for whatever reasons, a faculty does have
some freedom to choose time slots to teach the assigned courses. So it was
well within your own right to make your request (which should be made prior
to the deadline of finalization if there was one). Even if your class
schedule has been finalized, you can still make your request to reschedule
it, although there may be issues associated with prerequisites, classrooms,
etc.
Third, your DH has responsibilities to schedule and reschedule classes. In
one well recognized university, its policy on department head's roles and
responsibilities states "Creating a work environment that supports and
values personal and family needs and priorities including marriage,
childbirth, dependent care and dual careers". If it is the case in your
university, then your request was reasonable and within your right as a
faculty. If, as you have stated, your DH did not do anything (did he say
something like "he tried but could not reschedule"?) and rejected your
request outright, then he has failed in doing his job. You need to be 100%
certain that you are right that your DH did not look at the class schedules
to accommodate your request, if you want to make such an accusation to your
dean and/or HR.
Fourth, on his "threatening" email, as people in this forum have pointed out
, it may have different interpretations. The term "serious consequences"
here could be interpreted as conflicts with other classes and classroom
scheduling, etc. He did not say something like "make your life miserable",
or "poor annual performance or no raise". Another interpretation is that if
you did not follow his directive, "a failure to follow his directive in not
teaching in the scheduled time slot" could be amounted to insubordination.
In most if not all organizations, "insubordination" is a just cause for a
disciplinary action such as verbal warning or a written reprimand. If your
DH chooses to pursue it and has your dean's and HR's support, you university
can write you up. Because a "crime" is not committed, you should not worry
about his "threatening". However, you are doing the right thing in asking
for clarification as to what he meant by that. When you see your dean, you
can explain that, since you did not get an explanation and help in
rescheduling the class from the DH, and you have been deeply concerned, you
have no choice but seeking and appreciating the opportunity to get the dean'
s guidance and advice. Be professional! Get to the point! No speculations on
your DH part! However, you can certainly state how you have felt about your
DH's email as being threatened. If your dean explains differently, you
would have no chance to be successful in HR action if you file a complaint,
because as far as I know, without a dean's support, his or her DH would not
be "punished". So you can determine your next action based on your meeting
with the dean.
BTW, my former DH was hired from another university a few years ago and had
supports from the dean and associate deans, even though there were a few
consistent complaints about the DH from a few faculty (most were foreign
origins) over time, until a few other faculty (full professors and Americans
) went to meet with them later on. Once the dean realized that there may be
a serious problem, he called a meeting with 12 full professors in my
department. No one in the meeting put in any good word about him. When the
dean asked if the situation could be salvaged, everyone said that he lost
our support. We even went further by saying that we felt that we could not
protect the junior faculty members from him in the department. The meet
occurred during the lunar New Year last year and what a gift to us! So he
was fired as DH even though he is still a tenured full professor in the
department. Disgracefully he did not show up in any meetings nor did he
teach any classes since then. What I am trying to say that, there are lots
of asshole DHs in the US. Faculty of foreign (especially Chinese) origin has
to bear/tolerate a lot of more than the Americans to get where they are in
academics. Most in this forum are taking this approach, and there is nothing
wrong about it. But we need to realize that our tolerance/endurance can
only go so far.
Finally, my points: I do not think that you should meet with your DH before
he responds to your email request for clarification. You should proceed to
meet with your dean regarding your request for rescheduling and request for
clarification of his email on "serious consequences of failure to follow his
directive". Does it mean disruption to the overall class scheduling in your
department, or else? And you still would like to reschedule your class if
possible because your request was rejected by your DH and you need help from
the academic dean’s office.
Take your emotion out of this episode and do not feel that you were hurt.
Since your DH is not your friend, and you and others have had some issues
with him, his action may not be unexpected. So take a break and get your
battery recharged for the new semester! Good luck!
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
: 充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
: 改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
: 的想法。
: 1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
: 及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
: 现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
: faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
: 不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
: 里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
| | | H****N
发帖数: 997 | 11 赞大姨夫
【在 j******l 的大作中提到】
: 这是我看了你所有相关的贴后的感觉：
: 第一，你的系主任不够贴心说话没什么分寸当选不了年度好老板，但是你也好不到哪去
: ，如果我是Dean的话看见你来告状会觉得五十步笑百步。
: 第二，原帖里批评你甚至骂你神经病的，话糙理不糙：你缺少些common sense，察颜观
: 色能力较弱。对英语的正确使用也有问题，导致火上浇油，不是说你语法不对，是语气
: 大大的有问题，这也是为什么版主一直在强调应该去和系主任面谈一次。本来一件芝麻
: 大的事，也能被你搞成被威胁和骚扰，有偶然也有必然，你这次不虚心接受教训以后这
: 种事不会少，不管多nice的人做系主任都一样。
: 第三，我要是你的话就选择及时止损。去告系主任你运气好的话顶多恶心人家一下，你
: 又能拿到什么好处？不去告系主任也不会谢谢你。倒是应该去和系主任解释下之前自己
| d*****n
发帖数: 782 | 12 第三点太有意思了，你准备给dean挖坑让他跳进来？dean有那么傻？或者说不小心掉进
你的坑，回头肯定没啥好事。
你如果有证据说系头能调整但是就不调，那你可以和dean谈，要不然，什么都是你自己
的空穴来风，找dean谈只能让你处于更理亏的境地。
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
: 充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
: 改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
: 的想法。
: 1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
: 及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
: 现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
: faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
: 不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
: 里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
| c*******h
发帖数: 1096 | 13 我觉着嘛，你跟系主任不对付。他一开始就给你打官腔，说明不愿意帮你，你说话再冲
也没用。这事闹到dean那，对dean来说也就芝麻绿豆一件小事而已。到底应不应该斗下
去，见仁见智。我前面说了，不主张。真要闹，馊主意肯定有，但这大庭广众的，我就
不给你出了。记住，万一事情戏剧化地转向对你有利，千万不要再提你的娃起不了床这
事了。你理亏在先，这样的理由走到哪都很难得到多数支持的。（当然在美国狗血的民
主见多了，我也不敢把话说得太绝。）你现在要考虑的，不只是要不要见dean那么简单
，而是要想以后怎么跟同事和系主任相处，以及以后你们在系里的地位会有什么变化。
最后我冒昧地提个建议。你多向身边在职场上混得好的人取取经，正面地学习他们待人
处事的经验。就算你再看不起他们也好，他们混得开总是有原因的。做人机灵点，不吃
亏。
【在 t****e 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢大家对我改课一事的关注与回复。大部分的回帖都觉得我要求改时间的理由不
: 充分，还有人认为我的回信语气不够友善，因此对我评判的人很多。少部分的回帖觉得
: 改时间的理由不是重点，重点是系头的话很过分，应该上诉到院长那。下面谈谈我现在
: 的想法。
: 1. 我同意9点的课是正常安排，我也接受你们的批评，不过我当时确实是担心9点来不
: 及。我希望大家不要因为focus在改课理由上而忽略了事情的前后逻辑。
: 现在让我们来梳理一下这件事的逻辑关系。安排课时是系主任的权利，但是我认为我们
: faculty还是有权利提出改课要求的。也许大家觉得我的理由不充分，但这并不代表我
: 不能make a request。我向系主任发出请求后，他并没有质疑我的理由不充分。他在信
: 里的回复都是这个课的时间是符合我们系的教学安排的，而不是说这门课改到10点以后
| p*b
发帖数: 442 | 14 咋看的这么吃力？还是中文舒服。 no offense.
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【在 S***n 的大作中提到】
: I am sorry that your holidays were ruined by this incident (HR would call it
: if you were to file a complaint). I would first ask if the class schedules
: for next fall were first announced by your university and checked by faculty
: members before finalization (by your department head- DH). If yes and you
: missed the chance to choose your time slot, then you would have to bear some
: responsibilities when you have to reschedule your class. If not, then your
: DH should consult with faculty members. In fact, we do it for 2-3 rounds
: before finalizing our class schedules. I am not sure if your department has
: a formal procedure to schedule classes.
: Second, we should recognize that, for whatever reasons, a faculty does have
| a**********d
发帖数: 2293 | 15 我觉得，作为系主任，对没有正当理由的调课要求用打官腔的方式应对没有任何问题，
对随后的纠缠和骚扰给予严正警告也没有任何问题。
建议你不要去见dean。见了dean，不管表面上如何收场，长远来说都是你吃亏。 | S***n
发帖数: 102 | 16 Agreed and none taken. I am sorry that I am unable to write in Chinese, as I
have never learnt how to type in Chinese for an old guy, unfortunately.
Expressing us in Chinese is certainly much easier and straight forward. This
also serves to demonstrate how difficult it is when we have to deal with
non-scientific issues as faculty in the U.S. English grammar, sentence
structure, and logic- where to start?
As someone who dealt with HR issues on annual performance reviews, written
reprimands and finally a job termination letter for a research specialist
working with me before, I went through the process for several years, got
lots of help from HR specialists and also gained some experience. Here, I
will try to look at this case from the HR and policy perspective.
On the Department Chair (DC)’s part, at the issues are two-fold:
1. Did he do his job in "Creating a work environment that supports and
values personal and family needs and priorities including marriage,
childbirth, dependent care and dual careers"? You have to present an
evidence to show that he did not recheck the class schedules to accommodate
you on your request. In his defense, the DC could state that he checked but
was unable to make a change, if you complain to your dean or file a
grievance with HR. Even though he did not indicate it in his emails to you,
he did not need to. You said “我想如果去见的话，我准备先问dean如果我们
faculty有family reason可不可要求改上课时间？或者系主任在make schedule 的时候
，应不应该考虑faculty的合理请求？同时指出系主任的回复完全没有考虑family
related accomondation。 然后，最重要的是反应那句威胁的话的严重性并要求系主任
道歉”. These questions are not constructive and will get you nowhere. 如果
我们faculty有family reason可不可要求改上课时间？- nobody would say no. 或者
系主任在make schedule 的时候，应不应该考虑faculty的合理请求？- The answer
would be yes. 同时指出系主任的回复完全没有考虑family related accommodation-
how do you know he did not consider and recheck? He did not tell you whether
he did or not, but he can always say he did. Would you accuse him a liar?
So what are you going to do? 然后，最重要的是反应那句威胁的话的严重性并要求
系主任道歉- See the following for my comments.
2. Did he ‘threaten’ you in his email when he stated “I hope I don't need
to mention the extremely serious consequences of failure to comply with my
direction”? As I said earlier, it could be construed as an overall
interruption to have to reschedule other classes and to rearrange classrooms
, etc. or insubordination if you did not teach at the designated time slot
when the time comes. You are certainly emotional when you communicated with
him, which may be misconstrued as being “disrespectful”. This could be a
just cause for a disciplinary action on you, even though they hardly pursue
it on faculty. On the other hand, if you can substantiate your claim, and
your dean and/or HR agree with you, then his “threatening” to you is an
offense for a disciplinary action. You will need to look at your university
policy manual for details to guild your next move. Otherwise, your demand
for his apology would be impossible and may be out of line.
On your part, you will need to defend you if there is an accusation that you
were disrespectful to your DC or you have had a lack of understanding of
procedures and disregarded policies/directive. So you need to calm down and
reflect more (if you had to do it again, would you do it differently? Are
there any areas where you can improve for better?), and think what you need
to say and do in moving forward. Please come back to this forum with follow-
ups.
【在 p*b 的大作中提到】
: 咋看的这么吃力？还是中文舒服。 no offense.
:
: it
: schedules
: faculty
: some
: your
: has
: have
| a****e
发帖数: 1662 | 17 LOL...
这坑不错，引来那么多跳坑的。就这么难缠的，居然能谈牛，实在佩服的狠。。。
那系主任算仁慈的了，换个狠的系头，肯定告她骚绕没商量了。
【在 h********0 的大作中提到】
: 你这一贴老邢到底给你多少伪币？
: 没人认为不能提出该上课时间，你让人民群众义愤填膺的是你的
: 矫性。你家孩子是上帝的宠儿，只能九点起床，而我们的孩子7点
: 就必须起床。你要求改课人家就必须该，就因为你是资深教授，你就
: 有特权，我们资浅教授就只能被你们欺负。你欺负不到人就满脑门
: 不高兴。
: 能不能顺便告诉我们一下你是如何提前 疼牛的，敬佩中。
| p*b
发帖数: 442 | 18 失敬失敬，学习了
I
This
【在 S***n 的大作中提到】
: Agreed and none taken. I am sorry that I am unable to write in Chinese, as I
: have never learnt how to type in Chinese for an old guy, unfortunately.
: Expressing us in Chinese is certainly much easier and straight forward. This
: also serves to demonstrate how difficult it is when we have to deal with
: non-scientific issues as faculty in the U.S. English grammar, sentence
: structure, and logic- where to start?
: As someone who dealt with HR issues on annual performance reviews, written
: reprimands and finally a job termination letter for a research specialist
: working with me before, I went through the process for several years, got
: lots of help from HR specialists and also gained some experience. Here, I
| s**********w
发帖数: 74 | 19 所谓的Family needs这里就等同我（我小孩）要睡懒觉，给我调课。不要自我作践了。
我 听着都感觉丢人。见过听过国女Faculty到系主任那儿缠着不走，又哭又闹的。有没
有dignity? |
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