z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 1 这个Elway Cross是真可能的吗？
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1999/elway/news/1
I'll never forget the first time I met John Elway. It was the spring of 1983
. I was 24. Elway was 22. The Denver Post had flown me out to Stanford to
profile the man who would certainly be the No. 1 choice in the upcoming NFL
draft and, as it turns out, go on to win more football games than any other
quarterback in history. The secretary in the Stanford football office
directed me to a little grass field maybe 50 yards long, and there he was in
sweats--mop-haired, big-toothed, pigeon-toed, throwing passes to one man
over and over again.
Did I say passes? I take that back.
The closer I got, the more I realized these were passes in the same sense
that the Lamborghini Diablo is a passenger car. They were twice as fast as
anything I'd ever seen. Even from 20 feet away, you could hear them whistle.
They had no arc; if anything, they rose. He released them and they arrived,
it seemed, at the same instant. My eyes bulged.
Elway and his partner stopped for a rest, and I walked up. The receiver was
a former Stanford wideout and then Chicago Bear named Ken Margerum, and as I
shook his hand I couldn't help but notice the size of his thumb. It was
roughly four times the thickness of his other digits. It looked like Fred
Flintstone's thumb after he's hit it with a hammer. It was huge and red, and
the nail was purplish black, the Spruce Goose of thumbs.
"My god! What happened to your thumb?" I asked, slightly revolted. He looked
at Elway, who just laughed.
"Catching Godzilla," Margerum answered.
He and Elway had been doing this for three years, nearly every day, in
season and out, Margerum working on his routes and Elway on his timing. But
the sheer violence of Elway's right arm had given Margerum a grotesque
souvenir for the rest of his life.
Young boy: Grampa, did you really know John Elway?
Margerum: Know him? How do you think I got THIS?
Young boy: Aaaaaaarggggghhhh!!!
His receivers with the Broncos would know the same feeling. Many times
during Elway's first month at camp they'd huddle after practice and compare
the sting marks left by his throws. The passes came in so white-hot that
each actually made a little red X on the chest or the palm of the hand. It
became known as the Elway Cross, football's version of the red badge of
courage.
Where the power in that arm came from was a complete mystery. Some 14 years
later, SPORTS ILLUSTRATED would pose Elway naked from the waist up, holding
a football straight out from his side. It was the single most unimpressive
right arm in history, one that had endured years of surgeries, swollen
bursal sacs and 45,000 yards of overuse. You looked at it and you swore it
was about to fall off. When flexed, the right biceps looked like Olive Oyl's
, just a round little bloop. SI's editors took one look at the film and
stashed it in a drawer somewhere. To run the photos would've crushed too
many kids.
Anyway, later on that spring day in 1983, Elway and I walked around his
fraternity house, where I saw his tiny room and, further down the hall, a
little duty roster on the wall: ELWAY/DISHES. Here was a stud who was
already making large bucks as a hot baseball prospect for the New York
Yankees, who was in the headlines every day nationwide and who would soon
sign the richest rookie contract in NFL history. It didn't matter one whit.
For the next week, Elway would be scrubbing the ketchup off greasy plates.
It would all change, of course. Life as the only celebrity in Denver would
be a huge shock for him. But he didn't yet know this on the day two weeks
later when the Denver front office, in the single biggest larceny in NFL
history, snookered Baltimore owner Robert Irsay into trading Elway to the
Broncos. The press conference to introduce Elway to the Denver media was a
colossal, frantic gathering, probably the biggest press conference in the
city's history to that point, and surely the biggest Elway had ever seen.
When it was finally over, he walked out the exit, turned to a little p.r.
guy and sighed, "Wow! I'm glad I'll never have to go through that again!" | z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 2 这篇说得更夸张
http://static.espn.go.com/nfl/playoffs98/news/1999/990129/01074
On the first day of official practice as a freshman, John threw the ball so
hard he broke the fingers of two of our wide receivers. Our coaches were
joking that we might not have enough guys to get through the practice, let
alone the season.
And the stories about the "Elway cross" are true, and the legend started at
Stanford. Given the choice of catching John's passes with their fingers or
their chest, receivers opted for their chest. The ball was thrown so hard
the seams on the point of the ball would leave a cross imprinted on a
receiver's chest. It became known as an Elway cross.
After the first session of two-a-day practices as a freshman, the backup
quarterbacks who were sitting at No. 2 and No. 3 on the depth chart
transferred. The No. 2 quarterback who transferred was Babe Laufenberg, and
he went to Indiana and on to play in the NFL. Laufenberg was a pretty good
quarterback and when Bill Walsh recruited him in my class, he thought
Laufenberg would be his Rose Bowl quarterback. But John showed up and
changed those plans. | t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 3 年青人没看过艾威强打球吧
1983
NFL
other
in
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个Elway Cross是真可能的吗？
: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1999/elway/news/1
: I'll never forget the first time I met John Elway. It was the spring of 1983
: . I was 24. Elway was 22. The Denver Post had flown me out to Stanford to
: profile the man who would certainly be the No. 1 choice in the upcoming NFL
: draft and, as it turns out, go on to win more football games than any other
: quarterback in history. The secretary in the Stanford football office
: directed me to a little grass field maybe 50 yards long, and there he was in
: sweats--mop-haired, big-toothed, pigeon-toed, throwing passes to one man
: over and over again.
| m*r
发帖数: 37612 | 4 我考，难道婷婷你看过？
【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 年青人没看过艾威强打球吧
:
: 1983
: NFL
: other
: in
| t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 5 看过揍四看过
有啥号“难道”的
我考，难道婷婷你看过？
【在 m*r 的大作中提到】
: 我考，难道婷婷你看过？
| m*r
发帖数: 37612 | 6 我记得你是小弟呀
【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 看过揍四看过
: 有啥号“难道”的
:
: 我考，难道婷婷你看过？
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 7 Elway's last season was '98. Why the disbelief?
【在 m*r 的大作中提到】
: 我考，难道婷婷你看过？
| t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 8 这都神马破记性啊你
我记得你是小弟呀
【在 m*r 的大作中提到】
: 我记得你是小弟呀
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 9 我99年刚上这里的时候，婷婷就已经是一大水枪了。
【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 这都神马破记性啊你
:
: 我记得你是小弟呀
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 10 有两个JE的故事应该是真的, 几个不同的来源报道过.
他也是斯坦福棒球队的, 曾经站在本垒上, 把一个橄榄球扔成home run.
虽然他试了好几次才成功了一次, 虽然可能有风帮忙, 虽然是最近的侧外野,
但那是~100米的距离.
进了野马后的第一次训练, 他传出的球砸在WR头盔的面罩上, 整个面罩都松了.
那可是上了几个螺丝拧紧的.
不过不像发四爷, 臂力并不是艾威的第一武器.
1983
NFL
other
in
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: 这个Elway Cross是真可能的吗？
: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/1999/elway/news/1
: I'll never forget the first time I met John Elway. It was the spring of 1983
: . I was 24. Elway was 22. The Denver Post had flown me out to Stanford to
: profile the man who would certainly be the No. 1 choice in the upcoming NFL
: draft and, as it turns out, go on to win more football games than any other
: quarterback in history. The secretary in the Stanford football office
: directed me to a little grass field maybe 50 yards long, and there he was in
: sweats--mop-haired, big-toothed, pigeon-toed, throwing passes to one man
: over and over again.
| | | l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 11 really, 橄榄球难道仍的比棒球远吗？
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有两个JE的故事应该是真的, 几个不同的来源报道过.
: 他也是斯坦福棒球队的, 曾经站在本垒上, 把一个橄榄球扔成home run.
: 虽然他试了好几次才成功了一次, 虽然可能有风帮忙, 虽然是最近的侧外野,
: 但那是~100米的距离.
: 进了野马后的第一次训练, 他传出的球砸在WR头盔的面罩上, 整个面罩都松了.
: 那可是上了几个螺丝拧紧的.
: 不过不像发四爷, 臂力并不是艾威的第一武器.
:
: 1983
: NFL
| U*S
发帖数: 4914 | 12 发四爷的第一武器是臂力？
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有两个JE的故事应该是真的, 几个不同的来源报道过.
: 他也是斯坦福棒球队的, 曾经站在本垒上, 把一个橄榄球扔成home run.
: 虽然他试了好几次才成功了一次, 虽然可能有风帮忙, 虽然是最近的侧外野,
: 但那是~100米的距离.
: 进了野马后的第一次训练, 他传出的球砸在WR头盔的面罩上, 整个面罩都松了.
: 那可是上了几个螺丝拧紧的.
: 不过不像发四爷, 臂力并不是艾威的第一武器.
:
: 1983
: NFL
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 13 难道是他的脑子, 思维? 那是Eli, Peyton, Brady的第一武器.
难道是他的步伐, 灵活? 那是Vick, Newton的专长.
他就是太相信自己的胳膊了, 相信没有自己扔不出来的球,
才犯了那么多低级的错误.
【在 U*S 的大作中提到】
: 发四爷的第一武器是臂力？
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 14 Rodgers的强项是啥？
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 难道是他的脑子, 思维? 那是Eli, Peyton, Brady的第一武器.
: 难道是他的步伐, 灵活? 那是Vick, Newton的专长.
: 他就是太相信自己的胳膊了, 相信没有自己扔不出来的球,
: 才犯了那么多低级的错误.
| U*S
发帖数: 4914 | 15 这样。
Peyton的臂力也不错吧。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 难道是他的脑子, 思维? 那是Eli, Peyton, Brady的第一武器.
: 难道是他的步伐, 灵活? 那是Vick, Newton的专长.
: 他就是太相信自己的胳膊了, 相信没有自己扔不出来的球,
: 才犯了那么多低级的错误.
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 16 I don't know. We often see a baseball outfielder throw the ball from the
fence back to the diamond. Surely he doesn't have Elway's arm, but that's
still 90 ft from the home plate.
Hey, I read about the story, not witnessing it.
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: really, 橄榄球难道仍的比棒球远吗？
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 17 Sorry, I wasn't questioning you. I was just being really surprised.
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: I don't know. We often see a baseball outfielder throw the ball from the
: fence back to the diamond. Surely he doesn't have Elway's arm, but that's
: still 90 ft from the home plate.
: Hey, I read about the story, not witnessing it.
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 18
Accuracy of his throws, Calmness in the pocket, Mobility out of it.
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: Rodgers的强项是啥？
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 19 Wait a minute. Now I honestly can't remember if that's a baseball or
football that Elway threw into the stand from home plate. Silly me!!
I do remember the writer recounting the event in a deceptive way:" ... (
standing at home plate of Stanford's baseball field) Elway would try to
muscle the ball into the stand, and once in a while he would succeed." And
then he went on to reveal the amazing truth, but I can't recall whether that
's due to him using his bare hands throwing instead of hitting with a bat,
or him using a football.
我想应该是橄榄球, 因为以前棒球有个火爆脾气的投手, Rob Dibble,
曾经在赢球以后, 一转身, 抡圆了膀子, 把球扔出距离最远的中外野的围墙外,
砸着看台上的人了, 当时很轰动.
看Wiki, 说他扔了400ft, ~120米. 他的臂力比Elway应该还是有差距的.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Dibble
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: really, 橄榄球难道仍的比棒球远吗？
| l*x
发帖数: 14021 | 20 who have more arm strength: baseball pitchers or football quarterbacks? | | | F***e
发帖数: 614 | 21 I thought Favre is better than Elway?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有两个JE的故事应该是真的, 几个不同的来源报道过.
: 他也是斯坦福棒球队的, 曾经站在本垒上, 把一个橄榄球扔成home run.
: 虽然他试了好几次才成功了一次, 虽然可能有风帮忙, 虽然是最近的侧外野,
: 但那是~100米的距离.
: 进了野马后的第一次训练, 他传出的球砸在WR头盔的面罩上, 整个面罩都松了.
: 那可是上了几个螺丝拧紧的.
: 不过不像发四爷, 臂力并不是艾威的第一武器.
:
: 1983
: NFL
| J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 22 恩，看了elway最后一场，当时觉得qb可以打到38毫无问题，
后来发现完全不是这么回事。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: Elway's last season was '98. Why the disbelief?
| J**e
发帖数: 15008 | 23 发不是壮年被退役前的elway灭了吗
【在 F***e 的大作中提到】
: I thought Favre is better than Elway?
| F***e
发帖数: 614 | 24 Football is a team sport.
You should compare TD, yardage, etc.
【在 J**e 的大作中提到】
: 发不是壮年被退役前的elway灭了吗
| P*******e
发帖数: 39399 | 25 elway pm f4 怎么排名？ 呵呵
I thought Favre is better than Elway?
【在 F***e 的大作中提到】
: I thought Favre is better than Elway?
| t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 26 虽然98年SB的MVP是TD
不过就球赛本身的观感，艾维强比发福表现好
I thought Favre is better than Elway?
【在 F***e 的大作中提到】
: I thought Favre is better than Elway?
| s*****y
发帖数: 4595 | 27 这个是我看的第一场超级碗了。：）
【在 t*n 的大作中提到】
: 虽然98年SB的MVP是TD
: 不过就球赛本身的观感，艾维强比发福表现好
:
: I thought Favre is better than Elway?
| t*n
发帖数: 14458 | 28 mine 2
【在 s*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这个是我看的第一场超级碗了。：）
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 29 讲起臂力.
嘿嘿，有个世界记录最近刚被打破了,
某样东西被徒手扔出去, 在空中飞了230英尺(70米)后落地,
是某个前NFL QB(不是大明星)干的.
猜猜是甚么? 不是标枪, 铅球, 铁饼, 而是 ... 一架纸折叠成的飞机.
【在 l*x 的大作中提到】
: really, 橄榄球难道仍的比棒球远吗？
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 30 这我也能。
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 讲起臂力.
: 嘿嘿，有个世界记录最近刚被打破了,
: 某样东西被徒手扔出去, 在空中飞了230英尺(70米)后落地,
: 是某个前NFL QB(不是大明星)干的.
: 猜猜是甚么? 不是标枪, 铅球, 铁饼, 而是 ... 一架纸折叠成的飞机.
| | | a****y
发帖数: 2548 | 31 俺也看到过，好像是大学里的QB，放狗查的结果
Former Cal QB Sets Paper-Airplane World Record
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: 讲起臂力.
: 嘿嘿，有个世界记录最近刚被打破了,
: 某样东西被徒手扔出去, 在空中飞了230英尺(70米)后落地,
: 是某个前NFL QB(不是大明星)干的.
: 猜猜是甚么? 不是标枪, 铅球, 铁饼, 而是 ... 一架纸折叠成的飞机.
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 32 居然是cal的
【在 a****y 的大作中提到】
: 俺也看到过，好像是大学里的QB，放狗查的结果
: Former Cal QB Sets Paper-Airplane World Record
| a****y
发帖数: 2548 | 33 接替阿龙的那个，不过只干了一个赛季。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 居然是cal的
| p**m
发帖数: 11571 | 34 Ayoob?我恨死这家伙了。
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: 居然是cal的
| B*****e
发帖数: 9375 | 35 This story got some legs ...
三月份创的纪录,周五的WSJ还在第一版的最下面报道这个纪录, 不少内幕:
这个创纪录的纸飞机的设计者是个中年的电视台制片人,
知道自己廉颇老矣, 于是找了Cal的前两毛五来代扔;
这位胖姆的校友, 当年龙哥的接班人, 现在是个啤酒推销员;
吉尼斯纪录只认出手的人, 不认设计制造者;
所有参赛的飞机只能由一张标准8.5"x11"的纸张叠成, 连透明胶都不准有,
这架创纪录的飞机是甘蔗纤维炼成的;
70米的飞行距离只用了9秒钟,
而飞行时间的记录则是27.9秒, 由一个日本人保持.
第一版头条是大篇幅关于非死不可IPO的重要新闻, 我扫了5秒钟,
这么一个低级趣味的市井娱乐, 我却津津有味的全部读完了.
还有比我更土的么?
【在 p**m 的大作中提到】
: Ayoob?我恨死这家伙了。
| l*****8
发帖数: 16949 | 36 说明你已经脱离了铜臭味的低级趣味。
这么一个低级趣味的市井娱乐, 我却津津有味的全部读完了.
还有比我更土的么?
【在 B*****e 的大作中提到】
: This story got some legs ...
: 三月份创的纪录,周五的WSJ还在第一版的最下面报道这个纪录, 不少内幕:
: 这个创纪录的纸飞机的设计者是个中年的电视台制片人,
: 知道自己廉颇老矣, 于是找了Cal的前两毛五来代扔;
: 这位胖姆的校友, 当年龙哥的接班人, 现在是个啤酒推销员;
: 吉尼斯纪录只认出手的人, 不认设计制造者;
: 所有参赛的飞机只能由一张标准8.5"x11"的纸张叠成, 连透明胶都不准有,
: 这架创纪录的飞机是甘蔗纤维炼成的;
: 70米的飞行距离只用了9秒钟,
: 而飞行时间的记录则是27.9秒, 由一个日本人保持.
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