p******g
发帖数: 321 | 1 为什么他的挥杆这么独特，但是球打得史上最准呢？
听说他经常用一个可乐罐子tee off |
ET
发帖数: 10701 | 2 first time for me to hear of it.
just googled, and got to know him a little bit. His swing is unique? it
looks pretty cool for me, and sort of similar with my swing. I don't do the
forarm rotation at the contact moment tho. My swing has a differnt finish
position from his.
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: 为什么他的挥杆这么独特，但是球打得史上最准呢？
: 听说他经常用一个可乐罐子tee off
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 3 His swing is quite unique. He swings in only one plane back and forth, with
his arms straight with the shaft. And his grip is unique too. He grips with
a lot of palms than fingers. Too bad he did not fit into PGA and the world
missed knowing him a lot. He is considered by the Pros as the best ball
sticker in the history.
the
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: first time for me to hear of it.
: just googled, and got to know him a little bit. His swing is unique? it
: looks pretty cool for me, and sort of similar with my swing. I don't do the
: forarm rotation at the contact moment tho. My swing has a differnt finish
: position from his.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 4 that's right. either you said his arms straigth with the shaft, or I say it
the shaft and two arms are at the same plane all the time.
grips? which hand? it's supposed to be "just right at the finger bottom for
the left hand" for the shaft, and across the right hand palm for the shaft.
there are not too much for fingers.
with
with
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: His swing is quite unique. He swings in only one plane back and forth, with
: his arms straight with the shaft. And his grip is unique too. He grips with
: a lot of palms than fingers. Too bad he did not fit into PGA and the world
: missed knowing him a lot. He is considered by the Pros as the best ball
: sticker in the history.
:
: the
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 5 If you do it as you said. Your left hand would hold the shaft mainly with
your fingers, or more fingers than palm. Your fingers wrap around the shaft,
your palm contacts the shaft with only a small area.
It sounds to me you are using a neutral left hand grip combined with a
strong right hand grip. If it is true, you probably have a tendency to draw
the ball
it
for
shaft.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: that's right. either you said his arms straigth with the shaft, or I say it
: the shaft and two arms are at the same plane all the time.
: grips? which hand? it's supposed to be "just right at the finger bottom for
: the left hand" for the shaft, and across the right hand palm for the shaft.
: there are not too much for fingers.
:
: with
: with
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 6 i suggest , see the swing before you comment it.
shaft,
draw
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: If you do it as you said. Your left hand would hold the shaft mainly with
: your fingers, or more fingers than palm. Your fingers wrap around the shaft,
: your palm contacts the shaft with only a small area.
: It sounds to me you are using a neutral left hand grip combined with a
: strong right hand grip. If it is true, you probably have a tendency to draw
: the ball
:
: it
: for
: shaft.
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 7 I do not think your swing shows where the ball goes. But anyway I will not
make another comment and will not disagree with you any more.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: i suggest , see the swing before you comment it.
:
: shaft,
: draw
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 8 it's hilarious.
it sounds you know a lot, but you keep telling the things which are not the
fact.
my instructor, teaching the golf for about 30-year, once commented "Tiger's
hook in his early stage", said it MIGHT BE because of his interlock grip.
He used "maybe" . and he watched a lot Tiger's game.
what makes you so confidence you can comment other's swing by seeing just a
piece of word?
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: I do not think your swing shows where the ball goes. But anyway I will not
: make another comment and will not disagree with you any more.
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 9 Can we just stop here? I think you made more comments about others' swings
than anyone in this board. Including many well-known players. So you are the
holder of absolute truth and I do not want to argue with you at all. So
please let's just stop here and I will leave this board to be your 一言堂。
the
s
a
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: it's hilarious.
: it sounds you know a lot, but you keep telling the things which are not the
: fact.
: my instructor, teaching the golf for about 30-year, once commented "Tiger's
: hook in his early stage", said it MIGHT BE because of his interlock grip.
: He used "maybe" . and he watched a lot Tiger's game.
: what makes you so confidence you can comment other's swing by seeing just a
: piece of word?
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 10 i can't stop here.
listen, I posted my thought for help. I use my knowledge to help. if i said
something wrong, point it out. In the meantime, I can't stand those obvious
misleading info.
are you a man? why not say somethinga about your physics : low ball goes
farther? why you just not answer question directly?
i commented a lot players, so what? did I say they gonna slice /hook a lot
by watching a piece of their swings? i can say i like it or not. so what?
that gonna mislead others?
the
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: Can we just stop here? I think you made more comments about others' swings
: than anyone in this board. Including many well-known players. So you are the
: holder of absolute truth and I do not want to argue with you at all. So
: please let's just stop here and I will leave this board to be your 一言堂。
:
: the
: s
: a
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 11 Okey, since you asked for it.
First, if you do not like other people to comment you swing or the way you
grip your club, then do not post it here. Why did you post your swings here?
To show how it should be done (doubt you can achieve that - people can find
swings of many great player on youtube easily) or just to show off?
Second, what makes you think that you got the perfect swing? Even Tiger is
still searching for his swing. And Jack Nicolas also visited his instructor
periodically to make su
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: i can't stop here.
: listen, I posted my thought for help. I use my knowledge to help. if i said
: something wrong, point it out. In the meantime, I can't stand those obvious
: misleading info.
: are you a man? why not say somethinga about your physics : low ball goes
: farther? why you just not answer question directly?
: i commented a lot players, so what? did I say they gonna slice /hook a lot
: by watching a piece of their swings? i can say i like it or not. so what?
: that gonna mislead others?
:
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 12 Come on Guys. Can we respectfully disagree? not turning the discussion into
personal attack?
Here are some great information about Moe and Hogan, check it out.
http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175341 |
p******g
发帖数: 321 | 13 Good stuff you posted here.
I read somewhere that Tiger said Hogan and Moe are the only two people who
found their swing.
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Come on Guys. Can we respectfully disagree? not turning the discussion into
: personal attack?
: Here are some great information about Moe and Hogan, check it out.
: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175341
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 14 i like this guy's comment.
******************************
Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice
golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line
than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is
a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid"
and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the
similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about w
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Come on Guys. Can we respectfully disagree? not turning the discussion into
: personal attack?
: Here are some great information about Moe and Hogan, check it out.
: http://www.golfwrx.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=175341
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 15 Tiger did say something like that. here is what I found on wiki
Tiger Woods told Golf Digest's Jamie Diaz that only two golfers in history "
owned their swing": Moe Norman and Ben Hogan. Stated Tiger, "I want to own
mine."
【在 p******g 的大作中提到】
: Good stuff you posted here.
: I read somewhere that Tiger said Hogan and Moe are the only two people who
: found their swing.
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 16 This ID -- slicefixer, is the most popular guy in that forum. He is a great
teacher with lot of patience and unselfishness. He is the guy I mentioned to
you before who live near Austin. ET, If you find it necessary to work on
your game with a teacher, i recommend you to see him. He has the same ID on
youtube. You can find some swing videos of his students. Maybe he could
bring you to the next level-- PGA Pro, hehe.
line
is
"
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: i like this guy's comment.
: ******************************
: Not bad stuff..........he's got part of it........and that is a very nice
: golf swing which I like a lot.........but, he's WAAAAAAY more down the line
: than Mr. Hogan........way, way, way, more down the line........but, there is
: a lot of Hogan AND Moe in that swing......in fact, it's sort of a "hybrid"
: and is a swing well worth emulating........and he's correct about the
: similarity between Mr. Hogan's and Moe's backswings.......from about w
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f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 17 他的swing其实也没有那么独特
简单一点来说就是strict single plane swing
ben hogan的时代，或者更早，bobby jones的时代
这样的swing随处可见
但并不适合现在使用, swing和球杆一样，随时代变化
JMO: primarily because the movement is too hard on the body,
多看一些老的录像，他们lower body的movement都动作非常大(including this moe
dude), which most modern swing coaches discourage, 我们现在习惯于tiger/adam
的swing, 稳定的下身，爆发式轰球，(or els' big easy, if you can do it.)
我不知道moe norman实际水平如何
but when it comes to the best ball striker, i have to say ben hogan, by far. |
f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 18
"
tiger almost has his, but too bad there are too many impersonators out there
right now ^_^
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: Tiger did say something like that. here is what I found on wiki
: Tiger Woods told Golf Digest's Jamie Diaz that only two golfers in history "
: owned their swing": Moe Norman and Ben Hogan. Stated Tiger, "I want to own
: mine."
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 19 is he shown on the youtube?
i tried to figure out if I 've seen him in person or not before.
if it's him, I guess I won't take lesson from a guy who is younger than 50
year-old.
great
to
on
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: This ID -- slicefixer, is the most popular guy in that forum. He is a great
: teacher with lot of patience and unselfishness. He is the guy I mentioned to
: you before who live near Austin. ET, If you find it necessary to work on
: your game with a teacher, i recommend you to see him. He has the same ID on
: youtube. You can find some swing videos of his students. Maybe he could
: bring you to the next level-- PGA Pro, hehe.
:
: line
: is
: "
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 20 我觉得one－plane不是关键， 看看那么多很好的球员，他们用２－plane，也挺不错。
比如说著名的Seigo Garcia， 近期的golf digest演示 Lorena Ochoa， 她的也该是个
２－plane，（ 她能把球送到２９０码的地方简直是incredible）。
我认为不论咋地，接触球前后down－to－the － line是关键。
adam
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
: 他的swing其实也没有那么独特
: 简单一点来说就是strict single plane swing
: ben hogan的时代，或者更早，bobby jones的时代
: 这样的swing随处可见
: 但并不适合现在使用, swing和球杆一样，随时代变化
: JMO: primarily because the movement is too hard on the body,
: 多看一些老的录像，他们lower body的movement都动作非常大(including this moe
: dude), which most modern swing coaches discourage, 我们现在习惯于tiger/adam
: 的swing, 稳定的下身，爆发式轰球，(or els' big easy, if you can do it.)
: 我不知道moe norman实际水平如何
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 21 He is the guy in the video names 'GPJ'. and he was born in 1961,hehe.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: is he shown on the youtube?
: i tried to figure out if I 've seen him in person or not before.
: if it's him, I guess I won't take lesson from a guy who is younger than 50
: year-old.
:
: great
: to
: on
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 22 ok.. the skins game I played does collect a lot local good golfers. seems i
am not familar with this guy.
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: He is the guy in the video names 'GPJ'. and he was born in 1961,hehe.
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f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 23
我不了解moe，我看了几个关于他的video，主要是介绍他这个完全平的挥杆轨迹, 我也
没说1plane就一定好，2 plane的高手海了去了，因人而异嘛，swing这个东西，非常
personal ^_^
不太喜欢sergio的swing，每次看他都觉得他好像太全身紧绷了一点，感觉难受
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得one－plane不是关键， 看看那么多很好的球员，他们用２－plane，也挺不错。
: 比如说著名的Seigo Garcia， 近期的golf digest演示 Lorena Ochoa， 她的也该是个
: ２－plane，（ 她能把球送到２９０码的地方简直是incredible）。
: 我认为不论咋地，接触球前后down－to－the － line是关键。
:
: adam
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t*****n
发帖数: 467 | 24 I know at this stage, it's very hard for you to find a teacher. Give it a
try, because I heard lots of good things about him.
His first name is Geoff and I don't know the last name.
i
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: ok.. the skins game I played does collect a lot local good golfers. seems i
: am not familar with this guy.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 25 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
动作似乎是正好相反。
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: 我不了解moe，我看了几个关于他的video，主要是介绍他这个完全平的挥杆轨迹, 我也
: 没说1plane就一定好，2 plane的高手海了去了，因人而异嘛，swing这个东西，非常
: personal ^_^
: 不太喜欢sergio的swing，每次看他都觉得他好像太全身紧绷了一点，感觉难受
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 26 http://youtube.com/watch?v=8Z_F0svhA7w&feature=related
like this one I refer to.. his downswing , is like "sweeping the ball" for
me, which is good by a lot of sense. but I do like his backswing.. i wish I
could have a solid backswing like that.
sweeping concept is one of most important concept for long irons, fairway
woods and driver, as I know.
commitment
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
: 这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
: ＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
: Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
: 知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
: 动作似乎是正好相反。
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f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 27
commitment
一般来讲clean lie的iron shot 只要基本功扎实就够了
但chipping和推杆我觉得就完全要靠感觉了，推杆尤甚
这也是为什么tiger推杆那么牛B了，他两岁就开始玩了，推杆的感觉估计和咱们拿筷子
夹菜一样。
哈哈
欧洲和澳洲的golfer衣服好像都穿的挺紧的，凸显身材啊
你让john daly穿个紧的，还不得撑破了
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
: 这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
: ＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
: Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
: 知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
: 动作似乎是正好相反。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 28 actually, i am not that good. unfortunately, i just realize i have my own
swing approach and trainning method, with some basic things in my mind. it's
just so hard for me to change around right now, not mention to taking
something new.
golf swing can be a lot complicated, also can be pretty simple. it's simple
when we hit ball well, it's complicated when we don't hit ball well. what I
am doing now is repeating the simple part. if i don't hit ball well, i will
try to come back to the simple par
【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: I know at this stage, it's very hard for you to find a teacher. Give it a
: try, because I heard lots of good things about him.
: His first name is Geoff and I don't know the last name.
:
: i
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 29 abosultely chipping & putting are nothing more than the feeling.
Tiger's "putting the picture " is my favoriate drill, which makes me so
confident for any range. (well, i don't exectue it well for sure, but the
drill just makes me not afraid of those long range putts.)
yah. European/asian players like wearing tight clothes. it's the fashion
trend over there.
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: commitment
: 一般来讲clean lie的iron shot 只要基本功扎实就够了
: 但chipping和推杆我觉得就完全要靠感觉了，推杆尤甚
: 这也是为什么tiger推杆那么牛B了，他两岁就开始玩了，推杆的感觉估计和咱们拿筷子
: 夹菜一样。
: 哈哈
: 欧洲和澳洲的golfer衣服好像都穿的挺紧的，凸显身材啊
: 你让john daly穿个紧的，还不得撑破了
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f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 30
's
simple
I
will
youtube
golf diary?这个怎么弄
每天练球、下场心得？
考虑是否我也要弄一个
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: actually, i am not that good. unfortunately, i just realize i have my own
: swing approach and trainning method, with some basic things in my mind. it's
: just so hard for me to change around right now, not mention to taking
: something new.
: golf swing can be a lot complicated, also can be pretty simple. it's simple
: when we hit ball well, it's complicated when we don't hit ball well. what I
: am doing now is repeating the simple part. if i don't hit ball well, i will
: try to come back to the simple par
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 31 any place you can write down something. i used msn space and here. someone
used a notebook so he can get a hardcopy.
i used to focus on a lot swing mechanic. now i am more thinking about the
strategy, some course management, and lessons i learnd from bad results.
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: 's
: simple
: I
: will
: youtube
: golf diary?这个怎么弄
: 每天练球、下场心得？
: 考虑是否我也要弄一个
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A*f
发帖数: 3067 | 32 haha,
first time, i putt on green, i feel like putting is just like "小时候玩玻璃
球"
i dont know you guys, we had a 玻璃球 game back then.
on the playground, dig a hole and then drew a circle around the hole, 小朋友
start from circle line, and whose 玻璃球 roll closest to the hole would
have turn to use his 玻璃球 to hit other 玻璃球 inside the circle, if he hit
the other 玻璃球, the other 玻璃球 would be his; if he failed, he would
lost his turn.
推杆的感觉和小时候玩玻璃球一样
also, 据说iron or woods release的感觉和小时候玩打水漂一样
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: 's
: simple
: I
: will
: youtube
: golf diary?这个怎么弄
: 每天练球、下场心得？
: 考虑是否我也要弄一个
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f*****t
发帖数: 4395 | 33
hit
RIGHT!!!!
但我玩的时候好像没有洞
是弹别的球，
有点像台球的规则
怪不得我release不好
水漂就打不好，一次都蹦不起来..
【在 A*f 的大作中提到】
: haha,
: first time, i putt on green, i feel like putting is just like "小时候玩玻璃
: 球"
: i dont know you guys, we had a 玻璃球 game back then.
: on the playground, dig a hole and then drew a circle around the hole, 小朋友
: start from circle line, and whose 玻璃球 roll closest to the hole would
: have turn to use his 玻璃球 to hit other 玻璃球 inside the circle, if he hit
: the other 玻璃球, the other 玻璃球 would be his; if he failed, he would
: lost his turn.
: 推杆的感觉和小时候玩玻璃球一样
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 34 为什么我没想到呢。我们小时候要用到五个洞。四个在正方的四角，一个在中间。四个
边洞一二三四过来，然后中间的。谁先到中间就可以打别人，打中了别人的球就归你。
呵呵
我的水漂也打不好，也就蹦两三下而已。最好的是瓦片，弯弯的那种。
【在 f*****t 的大作中提到】
:
: hit
: RIGHT!!!!
: 但我玩的时候好像没有洞
: 是弹别的球，
: 有点像台球的规则
: 怪不得我release不好
: 水漂就打不好，一次都蹦不起来..
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u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 35 I donot link Sergio Garcia the person, but I like his swing very much.
he hits down on every shot, iron or driver, and he has a very smooth
transition from backswing to downswing.
If Sergio and Anthony both get hot in British Open, it will be a lot fun to
watch.
commitment
我也
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 这我完全同意， 挥杆的确是很个人的事，很难用些机械的东西来判断好坏。
: 这也是从去年开始起，我更强调＂基本功＂和＂感觉＂这２样，还有就是＂commitment
: ＂ ＆ ＂concentration＂ － 尽管这２个都可以归类到感觉里。
: Seigo的身体的确太紧张，至少看起来是，要么就是他一般衣服穿得太紧的缘故。我不
: 知道他是如何能成为个最好的shot－maker的，他的backswing 到downswing和大多人的
: 动作似乎是正好相反。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 36 before they fight head to head, I wish i could hear some dirty talk about
each other from both. lol....
i think Sergio is getting mature this year.
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【在 u*********r 的大作中提到】
: I donot link Sergio Garcia the person, but I like his swing very much.
: he hits down on every shot, iron or driver, and he has a very smooth
: transition from backswing to downswing.
: If Sergio and Anthony both get hot in British Open, it will be a lot fun to
: watch.
:
: commitment
: 我也
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p******g
发帖数: 321 | 37 I like what Slice said in that forum, especially following:
"LEARN from different sources and figure out what works for YOU."
great
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【在 t*****n 的大作中提到】
: This ID -- slicefixer, is the most popular guy in that forum. He is a great
: teacher with lot of patience and unselfishness. He is the guy I mentioned to
: you before who live near Austin. ET, If you find it necessary to work on
: your game with a teacher, i recommend you to see him. He has the same ID on
: youtube. You can find some swing videos of his students. Maybe he could
: bring you to the next level-- PGA Pro, hehe.
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: line
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