a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 1 这个speaker怎么样? 版上高人能不能指点一下? |
D**********s
发帖数: 3139 | 2 这个喇叭为了美观易搬运，几乎没有做防尘和防谐振，transducer有老化的问题，一段
时间不听就能感觉出来，另外声音也比较单薄，峰值声压也不够。建议常打理，不买二
手和返修。 |
a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 3 谢! 这个price range的speaker，请问你推荐什么品牌吗？
【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】
: 这个喇叭为了美观易搬运，几乎没有做防尘和防谐振，transducer有老化的问题，一段
: 时间不听就能感觉出来，另外声音也比较单薄，峰值声压也不够。建议常打理，不买二
: 手和返修。
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z*****d
发帖数: 672 | 4 Sonus Faber Venere 2.5
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: 谢! 这个price range的speaker，请问你推荐什么品牌吗？
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w*****g
发帖数: 4298 | |
z*****d
发帖数: 672 | |
a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 7 I think ML ESL is more directly comparable to Magnepan 1.7
Went to audit Maggie 1.7 yesterday, and can't say I am extremely impressed
after two hours of listening.
And what amplifiers do you guys use? |
y****p
发帖数: 87 | 8 也是对Magnepan 1.7感兴趣，听了一次，除了低音差点，没有觉得和常规音箱有大的区
别，板上的高人能否讲讲这对音箱的优缺点，同样的价位还有那些音箱值得考虑？
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: I think ML ESL is more directly comparable to Magnepan 1.7
: Went to audit Maggie 1.7 yesterday, and can't say I am extremely impressed
: after two hours of listening.
: And what amplifiers do you guys use?
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a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 9 For the speakers that I have audited. Maggie 1.7 does sound a lot better
than traditional cone speakers as far as I can tell --- the clarity is
unmatched by the traditional speakers, although I think ML ElectroMotion is
probably even better in clarity. However I think Maggie 1.7 is very
sensitive to the quality of amplifiers. Yesterday I audited Maggie 1.7 first
on a 1600 amplifier and then a 16,000 one, definitely heard the difference.
I am doing my research online and found the following, think those are good
reviews.
Magnepan 1.7s (I'm using these in my home 2-channel system at the moment):
Differential Advantages, Minor Caveats
1. Excellent transparency and openness.
2. Phenomenal top-to-bottom coherency.
3. Near full-range presentation
4. Requires considerable time and effort to position properly. Good results
are easily achieved, but great results can take a fair amount of trial and
error testing. Note, too, that some rooms work better than others in terms
of supporting dipole bass. I happen to have a room that's great for dipole
bass, but your mileage may vary.
5. Needs very good and very powerful amplifiers to sound its best (I'm using
the superb but also quite expensive Rega Osiris integrated amp and getting
great results, but you may want to consider that the 1.7 is a $2k speaker
that in a sense deserves premium-priced electronics).
6. Needs subwoofer support for home theater applications, but is not
particularly easy to integrate with subs. The fact is that the 1.7 tends to
make even great subs sound a bit "slow" and "sluggish" by comparison.Thus,
the best strategy is to use a very low crossover frequency, if possible, to
minimize discontinuities between the sub and the main speakers.
7. Caution: At very high volume levels on action film soundtracks, you can
occasionally "bottom out" the 1.7 woofer panel (this doesn't hurt anything,
but it sounds, um, pretty 'flatulent' when it happens). The solution is to
cross over to the sub at a higher frequency, which unfortunately makes
integration (see point 6) harder to pull off.
MartinLogan ElectroMotion ESL: Differential Advantages, Minor Caveats
1. Superb transparency and openness (especially from the upper midrange on
up).
2. Does a really good job of blending the sound of its piston-type mid/bass
driver with its dipolar electrostatic panel.
3. Coherency is very, very good, though perhaps not quite on a par with the
1.7.
4. Goes as low as (or maybe a bit lower than) the 1.7, and with little
danger of woofer "bottoming" problems.
5. Also needs careful positioning and setup for best results. Note, though,
that if you read and carefully follow the setup guidelines set forth in the
excellent MartinLogan manual (one of the best audio manuals ever, IMHO), the
process is relatively foolproof, though somewhat time-consuming.
6. The ElectroMotion ESL is very sensitive to amplifier quality (as is the 1
.7), but unlike the 1.7 the ESL does not appear to be particularly power
hungry.
7. Also needs a subwoofer for home theater applications. Like the 1.7, the
ElectroMotion ESL sounds so fast and transparent that it tends to make subs
sound slow and lethargic by comparison. As with the 1.7, using a low-ish
crossover frequency helps minimize discontinuities between the sub and the
main speaker.
8. Note that while the ElectroMotion ESL is not an excessively bright
loudspeaker, it is very revealing throughout the treble region. For this
reason, it is not a speaker you would want to use if you have bright/edgy-
sounding source components.
Which is better: Magnepan 1.7 or MartinLogan ElectroMotion ESL? I can't
directly answer this question since I haven't heard both speakers in the
same room and with the same electronics. Both have a lot of merit, so you'll
have to let your ears be your guide.
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 也是对Magnepan 1.7感兴趣，听了一次，除了低音差点，没有觉得和常规音箱有大的区
: 别，板上的高人能否讲讲这对音箱的优缺点，同样的价位还有那些音箱值得考虑？
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y****p
发帖数: 87 | 10 谢谢！也是读了很多网上的测评，总结一下关于1.7的疑问，
1. 房间的大小和形状都很影响声音效果，不知道有没有什么较详细的教程
2.有些人说这种magne planar speakers 缺乏 dynamics, 似乎是说反应比较慢，不适
合节奏快和大动态范围的音乐，包括交响乐，不知道说的对不对。
另外关于功放，一直想知道1600的功放和16000的功放主要区别在哪儿，看哪些参数？1
。7对功放要求高是对功放的功率要求高还是指别的指标？
is
first
difference.
good
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: For the speakers that I have audited. Maggie 1.7 does sound a lot better
: than traditional cone speakers as far as I can tell --- the clarity is
: unmatched by the traditional speakers, although I think ML ElectroMotion is
: probably even better in clarity. However I think Maggie 1.7 is very
: sensitive to the quality of amplifiers. Yesterday I audited Maggie 1.7 first
: on a 1600 amplifier and then a 16,000 one, definitely heard the difference.
: I am doing my research online and found the following, think those are good
: reviews.
: Magnepan 1.7s (I'm using these in my home 2-channel system at the moment):
: Differential Advantages, Minor Caveats
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D**********s
发帖数: 3139 | 11 audiostatic听过几次，比magnepan强。
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 也是对Magnepan 1.7感兴趣，听了一次，除了低音差点，没有觉得和常规音箱有大的区
: 别，板上的高人能否讲讲这对音箱的优缺点，同样的价位还有那些音箱值得考虑？
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D**********s
发帖数: 3139 | 12 平板喇叭屋子大才能听。
？1
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢！也是读了很多网上的测评，总结一下关于1.7的疑问，
: 1. 房间的大小和形状都很影响声音效果，不知道有没有什么较详细的教程
: 2.有些人说这种magne planar speakers 缺乏 dynamics, 似乎是说反应比较慢，不适
: 合节奏快和大动态范围的音乐，包括交响乐，不知道说的对不对。
: 另外关于功放，一直想知道1600的功放和16000的功放主要区别在哪儿，看哪些参数？1
: 。7对功放要求高是对功放的功率要求高还是指别的指标？
:
: is
: first
: difference.
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y****p
发帖数: 87 | 13 谢谢！ 看了下网站，audio static 感觉是个很小的公司，不知道附近有没有 dealer。
【在 D**********s 的大作中提到】
: audiostatic听过几次，比magnepan强。
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w*****g
发帖数: 4298 | 14 还是马田卢根ESL吧，国内都把ESL捧上天了
dealer。
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢！ 看了下网站，audio static 感觉是个很小的公司，不知道附近有没有 dealer。
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a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 15 I think when the 16,000 was driving the speakers, it sounded the speakers
are much more 'at ease' --- if you like, for the lack of a better word.
All in all to hear the difference, you really need to just listen to it back
to back. Find a good local dealer to do the audition, 10 reviews put
together won't match an hour spent in the showroom.
and there is a good FAQ on magnepan that might answer some of your other
questions.
http://www.magnepan.com/faq#equipment
？1
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢！也是读了很多网上的测评，总结一下关于1.7的疑问，
: 1. 房间的大小和形状都很影响声音效果，不知道有没有什么较详细的教程
: 2.有些人说这种magne planar speakers 缺乏 dynamics, 似乎是说反应比较慢，不适
: 合节奏快和大动态范围的音乐，包括交响乐，不知道说的对不对。
: 另外关于功放，一直想知道1600的功放和16000的功放主要区别在哪儿，看哪些参数？1
: 。7对功放要求高是对功放的功率要求高还是指别的指标？
:
: is
: first
: difference.
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y****p
发帖数: 87 | 16 去了附近唯一的magnepan dealer, 不知怎么回事，觉得好像设置有严重问题，效果好
像还不如我现在家里的polk speakers, 很失望，也可能是我期望值太高了。音箱的水
太深了，小青蛙不知该怎么跳了，呵呵。
back
【在 a*****y 的大作中提到】
: I think when the 16,000 was driving the speakers, it sounded the speakers
: are much more 'at ease' --- if you like, for the lack of a better word.
: All in all to hear the difference, you really need to just listen to it back
: to back. Find a good local dealer to do the audition, 10 reviews put
: together won't match an hour spent in the showroom.
: and there is a good FAQ on magnepan that might answer some of your other
: questions.
: http://www.magnepan.com/faq#equipment
:
: ？1
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a*****y
发帖数: 311 | 17
【在 y****p 的大作中提到】
: 去了附近唯一的magnepan dealer, 不知怎么回事，觉得好像设置有严重问题，效果好
: 像还不如我现在家里的polk speakers, 很失望，也可能是我期望值太高了。音箱的水
: 太深了，小青蛙不知该怎么跳了，呵呵。
:
: back
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u****e
发帖数: 169 | 18 楼主最后买了哪个？
我也在看这个。去bestbuy试听了一下Martin Logan这个和B&W 683和B&W CM9，现在倾
向于买Martin Logan。而且现在bestbuy买这个送一个低音炮dynamo 700。 |
w****e
发帖数: 707 | 19 which model. price
【在 u****e 的大作中提到】
: 楼主最后买了哪个？
: 我也在看这个。去bestbuy试听了一下Martin Logan这个和B&W 683和B&W CM9，现在倾
: 向于买Martin Logan。而且现在bestbuy买这个送一个低音炮dynamo 700。
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u****e
发帖数: 169 | 20 Martin logan electro motion esl
1099 each
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【在 w****e 的大作中提到】
: which model. price
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