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Investment版 - Reinvest Capital Gain的疑惑
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c******z
发帖数: 1230
1
我的问题是:
1、在个人的非IRA Brokerage账户内 ‘主动(自主买卖股票、债券、基金等)’ 和
‘被动(ETF,MF,或者管理型账户的portfolio所产生的capital gain以及dividends
)’ 的情况下产生了realized capital gain,有没有必要和如何实施reinvest
capital gain呢?
2、是否有可能利用reinvest capital gain推迟交税时间且降低税率呢(即把当年
short term capital gain在未来变成long term capital gain)?
3、如果是portfolio组成部分比较复杂的情况,是否需要界定哪笔收益reinvest到了哪
笔新投资里(或者只需在年终报税时计算 ‘当年总的收益’ 和 ‘当年进行所有
reinvest’)?
4、是否需要区别 '用于reinvest的收益' 和 '新存入账户用于投资的新的现金'?
在网上搜了一些文章,看的有点糊涂,特别是遇到dividends的情况。谢谢大家!!!
s**********d
发帖数: 36899
2
don't re-invest for taxable account, it makes cost basis tracking and tax
filing hard.


dividends
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
: 我的问题是:
: 1、在个人的非IRA Brokerage账户内 ‘主动(自主买卖股票、债券、基金等)’ 和
: ‘被动(ETF,MF,或者管理型账户的portfolio所产生的capital gain以及dividends
: )’ 的情况下产生了realized capital gain,有没有必要和如何实施reinvest
: capital gain呢?
: 2、是否有可能利用reinvest capital gain推迟交税时间且降低税率呢(即把当年
: short term capital gain在未来变成long term capital gain)?
: 3、如果是portfolio组成部分比较复杂的情况,是否需要界定哪笔收益reinvest到了哪
: 笔新投资里(或者只需在年终报税时计算 ‘当年总的收益’ 和 ‘当年进行所有
: reinvest’)?

s**********d
发帖数: 36899
3
fund/stock一旦有dividend或者distribution,那钱就和你别的钱一样,
你再re-invest就和另外花钱买股票或fund一样。对非taxable account来说,
你干啥都无所谓,re-invest省心。但对taxable,你再买就有一个新的lot,
要track cost basis, 再卖又可能有些是新买的。
c******z
发帖数: 1230
4

谢谢回复。现在的情况是,大部分的自己都在taxable账户中,只有小部分在non-
taxable账户中,而且long/short capital gain的税率差别还不小,所以想如何能省一
点税。。。。

【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: fund/stock一旦有dividend或者distribution,那钱就和你别的钱一样,
: 你再re-invest就和另外花钱买股票或fund一样。对非taxable account来说,
: 你干啥都无所谓,re-invest省心。但对taxable,你再买就有一个新的lot,
: 要track cost basis, 再卖又可能有些是新买的。

G***e
发帖数: 535
5
我觉得这真的有些复杂
mutual fund的capital gain reinvest不适用wash sale rule吗?
如果适用的话,cost basis可以延长到最初买入的价钱

【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: don't re-invest for taxable account, it makes cost basis tracking and tax
: filing hard.
:
: 和
: dividends
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.6

G***e
发帖数: 535
6
如果mutual fund的capital gain reinvest不适用wash sale rule的话
在taxable account要省税或延税就只能买turnover rate和dividend都小的index fund了
没其他办法,买mutual fund就是有这问题

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
:
: 谢谢回复。现在的情况是,大部分的自己都在taxable账户中,只有小部分在non-
: taxable账户中,而且long/short capital gain的税率差别还不小,所以想如何能省一
: 点税。。。。

S**C
发帖数: 2964
7
Consider any distribution to be "new money", whether reinvest your dividend
and capital gain is a personal choice, nothing else. A decent brokerage
should be able to generate 1099-B that can be easily imported into Turbotax
or other tax software to create form 8949 for you. If they cannot in this
age, you may want to change your brokerage.
As a side note, if you are in AMT range, and if your MAGI is also above $
250K for married couple filing jointly, your LTCG and qualified dividend
likely subject to 15%+7%+3.8% = 25.8% tax rather than 15%. In this case,
ETFs may become a rational choice even if you are not a fan of cap-weighted
index like me. FWIW, I am moving gradually from MFs in my taxable account to
ETFs and individual stocks.


dividends

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
: 我的问题是:
: 1、在个人的非IRA Brokerage账户内 ‘主动(自主买卖股票、债券、基金等)’ 和
: ‘被动(ETF,MF,或者管理型账户的portfolio所产生的capital gain以及dividends
: )’ 的情况下产生了realized capital gain,有没有必要和如何实施reinvest
: capital gain呢?
: 2、是否有可能利用reinvest capital gain推迟交税时间且降低税率呢(即把当年
: short term capital gain在未来变成long term capital gain)?
: 3、如果是portfolio组成部分比较复杂的情况,是否需要界定哪笔收益reinvest到了哪
: 笔新投资里(或者只需在年终报税时计算 ‘当年总的收益’ 和 ‘当年进行所有
: reinvest’)?

S**C
发帖数: 2964
8
Wash sale rule applies to MFs.

【在 G***e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得这真的有些复杂
: mutual fund的capital gain reinvest不适用wash sale rule吗?
: 如果适用的话,cost basis可以延长到最初买入的价钱

c******z
发帖数: 1230
9

dividend
Turbotax
weighted
to
谢谢回复,我的portfolio里面也没有MF,全部都是ETF(以及少量的stock)。可是ETF
为什么是rational choice呢?
我在Schwab的管理型账户(全部由ETF组成)的税表出现有dividend和capital gain
distribution,虽然账户内没有任何卖出的动作发生。

【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: Consider any distribution to be "new money", whether reinvest your dividend
: and capital gain is a personal choice, nothing else. A decent brokerage
: should be able to generate 1099-B that can be easily imported into Turbotax
: or other tax software to create form 8949 for you. If they cannot in this
: age, you may want to change your brokerage.
: As a side note, if you are in AMT range, and if your MAGI is also above $
: 250K for married couple filing jointly, your LTCG and qualified dividend
: likely subject to 15%+7%+3.8% = 25.8% tax rather than 15%. In this case,
: ETFs may become a rational choice even if you are not a fan of cap-weighted
: index like me. FWIW, I am moving gradually from MFs in my taxable account to

S**C
发帖数: 2964
10
Because ETFs have little if any capital gain/loss if you do not sell. I am
not familiar with those "managed account", have no idea how it works. From
what you described, I suspect they churned your account.

ETF

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
:
: dividend
: Turbotax
: weighted
: to
: 谢谢回复,我的portfolio里面也没有MF,全部都是ETF(以及少量的stock)。可是ETF
: 为什么是rational choice呢?
: 我在Schwab的管理型账户(全部由ETF组成)的税表出现有dividend和capital gain
: distribution,虽然账户内没有任何卖出的动作发生。

相关主题
觉得MF是一种落后的投资方式问问IRA的
index MF vs. ETF请教有关ETF投资
再谈OptionsTdameritrade or Fidelity for ROTH IRA
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S**C
发帖数: 2964
11
If you really believe you need help on investment, you may want to find a
Fee-only Registered Financial Adviser.
The rational is this, a good adviser with your best interest at heart (
fiduciary duty) need to spend time with you to setup an investment thesis
for the long term, and he or she only needs to do it once and be done with
it for at least five years. You may want to follow up with him every year or
two, or your situation has material changes. Otherwise, stay the course.
There is no reason to churn your portfolio whether or not you choose passive
or active vehicle. Since you do not need to change your portfolio, there is
no reason to pay asset based fees, which often amount to 1% or more.

ETF

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
:
: dividend
: Turbotax
: weighted
: to
: 谢谢回复,我的portfolio里面也没有MF,全部都是ETF(以及少量的stock)。可是ETF
: 为什么是rational choice呢?
: 我在Schwab的管理型账户(全部由ETF组成)的税表出现有dividend和capital gain
: distribution,虽然账户内没有任何卖出的动作发生。

r****m
发帖数: 1204
12
This is Asset Allocation question every investor faces, a general principle
is:
Tax-efficient vehicles belong in taxable accounts;
tax-inefficient vehicles belong in tax-deferred accounts
当然, 具体情况还是要具体分析.
d*w
发帖数: 384
13
asset reallocation in taxable account involves tax. i miscalculated in 2013
and the reallocation resulted in a net loss that could last for a few years
or forever because of tax.

principle

【在 r****m 的大作中提到】
: This is Asset Allocation question every investor faces, a general principle
: is:
: Tax-efficient vehicles belong in taxable accounts;
: tax-inefficient vehicles belong in tax-deferred accounts
: 当然, 具体情况还是要具体分析.

c******z
发帖数: 1230
14

2013
years
谢谢回复。请问可否分享一下哪些地方容易计算出错、造成损失?谢谢。

【在 d*w 的大作中提到】
: asset reallocation in taxable account involves tax. i miscalculated in 2013
: and the reallocation resulted in a net loss that could last for a few years
: or forever because of tax.
:
: principle

d*w
发帖数: 384
15
我估算错了基金自己的distribution,而且这distribution在年底才发,没时间把工资
往退休账号多放点了。其中一个前几年年底一股才相当于1%左右的distribution,但13
年底的相当于25%的,所以总值没怎么长,但要缴税。另外年中买卖的时候没预计到这
个,税档也变了。

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
:
: 2013
: years
: 谢谢回复。请问可否分享一下哪些地方容易计算出错、造成损失?谢谢。

d*w
发帖数: 384
16
我没哪年预估准的,但2013因此损失比较大。

【在 c******z 的大作中提到】
:
: 2013
: years
: 谢谢回复。请问可否分享一下哪些地方容易计算出错、造成损失?谢谢。

S**C
发帖数: 2964
17
All MFs tell their shareholders their estimated year-end distribution around
November. You need to go to their website to check especially if your funds
carry large potential CG exposure (check from M*) and also have high
portofolio turnover rate.

13

【在 d*w 的大作中提到】
: 我估算错了基金自己的distribution,而且这distribution在年底才发,没时间把工资
: 往退休账号多放点了。其中一个前几年年底一股才相当于1%左右的distribution,但13
: 年底的相当于25%的,所以总值没怎么长,但要缴税。另外年中买卖的时候没预计到这
: 个,税档也变了。

d*w
发帖数: 384
18
我的每个月账单上都有预估,但有时候有的基金偏差很大。我年中6、7月份要买卖的时
候的预估还是低的,买卖完了没活钱折腾了也就不看了,所以年底吃了一惊。我基本放
弃预估了。

around
funds

【在 S**C 的大作中提到】
: All MFs tell their shareholders their estimated year-end distribution around
: November. You need to go to their website to check especially if your funds
: carry large potential CG exposure (check from M*) and also have high
: portofolio turnover rate.
:
: 13

m*****o
发帖数: 110
19
Capital Gain是你卖了股票赚的钱。
Dividend reinvest不会省税。
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