I*******g 发帖数: 7600 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】
发信人: IFloating (Floating Freely), 信区: Military
标 题: 美国的血汗工厂比中国只多不少
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 20 12:06:47 2015, 美东)
像亚马逊, bloomberge, 还有好多的 start up
尼玛, 从早上8点到晚上11点都在办公室
这次NYT痛打落水狗亚马逊,只不过是亚马逊扰着左逼了,
它不会去痛打bloomberge, 因为它是为花街的服务的,
亚马逊现在很多卖的都是中国货, 左逼不高兴了。
各位补充一下还有哪些 血汗工厂吧,比如uber, FB 之类的 |
z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 2 if most companies are like this, beauty country has a future to be honest.
hehe
most beauty country ppl too "privileged". specially a lot of code peasents...
【在 I*******g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 【 以下文字转载自 Military 讨论区 】 : 发信人: IFloating (Floating Freely), 信区: Military : 标 题: 美国的血汗工厂比中国只多不少 : 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Thu Aug 20 12:06:47 2015, 美东) : 像亚马逊, bloomberge, 还有好多的 start up : 尼玛, 从早上8点到晚上11点都在办公室 : 这次NYT痛打落水狗亚马逊,只不过是亚马逊扰着左逼了, : 它不会去痛打bloomberge, 因为它是为花街的服务的, : 亚马逊现在很多卖的都是中国货, 左逼不高兴了。 : 各位补充一下还有哪些 血汗工厂吧,比如uber, FB 之类的
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l*********g 发帖数: 1899 | 4 文中可能是指亚马逊中的码工的工作时间很长,就像很多所谓的血汗工厂的工作时间那
么长。
【在 H********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 马训不是用机器人分拣包裹么?为啥需要血汗?
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h******e 发帖数: 9616 | 5 马鬃的网站不是好好的在那里N多年都跑着没有啥问题吗?要码工干嘛用? |
l*********g 发帖数: 1899 | 6 这个看来是码工/非码工鉴别帖。呵呵。
【在 h******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 马鬃的网站不是好好的在那里N多年都跑着没有啥问题吗?要码工干嘛用?
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h******e 发帖数: 9616 | 7
点解咩?
【在 l*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 这个看来是码工/非码工鉴别帖。呵呵。
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 8 hahaha
one of my friend always asking me the same question... your company's
website is running fine, what exactly are you doing there...
【在 h******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 马鬃的网站不是好好的在那里N多年都跑着没有啥问题吗?要码工干嘛用?
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 9 in order for a big website like horse hair to work that smooth, millions of
code peasant hours behind it...
【在 h******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : 点解咩?
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t***u 发帖数: 20182 | 10 是因为能力太差吗?
of
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : in order for a big website like horse hair to work that smooth, millions of : code peasant hours behind it...
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l*********g 发帖数: 1899 | 11 问这种问题的一般是faculty。
【在 t***u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 是因为能力太差吗? : : of
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h******e 发帖数: 9616 | 12
of
问题是,一个网站跑得好好的,码工都干些啥呢?
打个比方说,车子零件们磨损了,得换几个新的才能跑得又快又好。
但是这电脑程序难道也是跑了一万遍之后就得这里那里改写一下才能继续跑?
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : in order for a big website like horse hair to work that smooth, millions of : code peasant hours behind it...
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 13 if in China, hours can only be more.
site like amazon is HUGE. Amazon AWS now is taking over the world (us. as in
nba, US is world) too.
engineer behind site like this is super complex.
just look at heathcare.gov, some a one function only site, without good
engineer, it was so horrible.
complexity of Amazon site is only bigger if not the same as google and
facebook etc.
and site like Amazon, up time is more important. both their retailer, and,
AWS. In order to increase up time say from 99% to 99.99%, the investment is
huge.
【在 t***u 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 是因为能力太差吗? : : of
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h******e 发帖数: 9616 | 14
in
is
这个是前期投入巨大,研发成本居多,耗时长等等等等。
但是这个产品已经搞出来了,比如一个大灰机,从设计到出厂,花的大价钱。
但是这东西已经造出来了,除了磨损老化碰撞之外,就不需要还得每架灰机配十个八个
工程师一边紧螺栓才能一边飞着吧?
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if in China, hours can only be more. : site like amazon is HUGE. Amazon AWS now is taking over the world (us. as in : nba, US is world) too. : engineer behind site like this is super complex. : just look at heathcare.gov, some a one function only site, without good : engineer, it was so horrible. : complexity of Amazon site is only bigger if not the same as google and : facebook etc. : and site like Amazon, up time is more important. both their retailer, and, : AWS. In order to increase up time say from 99% to 99.99%, the investment is
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t***u 发帖数: 20182 | 15 还是水平不够啊,东西做的太复杂
in
is
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if in China, hours can only be more. : site like amazon is HUGE. Amazon AWS now is taking over the world (us. as in : nba, US is world) too. : engineer behind site like this is super complex. : just look at heathcare.gov, some a one function only site, without good : engineer, it was so horrible. : complexity of Amazon site is only bigger if not the same as google and : facebook etc. : and site like Amazon, up time is more important. both their retailer, and, : AWS. In order to increase up time say from 99% to 99.99%, the investment is
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 16 well, just compare horse hair in 2007 and now, no change? hehe
【在 h******e 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : : in : is : 这个是前期投入巨大,研发成本居多,耗时长等等等等。 : 但是这个产品已经搞出来了,比如一个大灰机,从设计到出厂,花的大价钱。 : 但是这东西已经造出来了,除了磨损老化碰撞之外,就不需要还得每架灰机配十个八个 : 工程师一边紧螺栓才能一边飞着吧?
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s*****i 发帖数: 3762 | 17 the biggest change is just they are charging tax now
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : well, just compare horse hair in 2007 and now, no change? hehe
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R***a 发帖数: 41892 | 18 界面其实已经改了很多了。特别是细节
另外,背后算法改的更多,比如如何你买一个产品然后给你找相关的推荐产品
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : the biggest change is just they are charging tax now
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 19 right. and infrastructure, db, hardware, load balancing etc, all changed
many times already.
every migration if user don't feel, requires huge amount of engineering
behind it.
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 界面其实已经改了很多了。特别是细节 : 另外,背后算法改的更多,比如如何你买一个产品然后给你找相关的推荐产品
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s*****i 发帖数: 3762 | 20 我知道,但是loading Page慢了好多, 很多不必要的东西也强加给你,比如第三方卖
家, 真正对顾客有利的,比如lower price, free tax, 25刀 free shipping都没有了
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 界面其实已经改了很多了。特别是细节 : 另外,背后算法改的更多,比如如何你买一个产品然后给你找相关的推荐产品
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R***a 发帖数: 41892 | 21
有了
说码公呢,这些跟码公有关系么?
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 我知道,但是loading Page慢了好多, 很多不必要的东西也强加给你,比如第三方卖 : 家, 真正对顾客有利的,比如lower price, free tax, 25刀 free shipping都没有了
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s*****i 发帖数: 3762 | 22 and that's exactly the problem
they spent huge mount of efforts to make invisbible changes, and want the
customers to appreciate it, no way.
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : right. and infrastructure, db, hardware, load balancing etc, all changed : many times already. : every migration if user don't feel, requires huge amount of engineering : behind it.
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R***a 发帖数: 41892 | 23 没有这些改动,现在马鬃就会慢的一坨,三天两头当机啊
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : and that's exactly the problem : they spent huge mount of efforts to make invisbible changes, and want the : customers to appreciate it, no way.
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 24 no need to appreciate, hehe. all websites need those invisible changes to
stay up.
they don't expect appreciation. they expect site being up, customers keep
coming to the site etc, hehe
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : and that's exactly the problem : they spent huge mount of efforts to make invisbible changes, and want the : customers to appreciate it, no way.
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s*****i 发帖数: 3762 | 25 有关系吧,马鬃的码工做的很多都是无用功,还不如marketing,sales这个层面的决策
影响大, 马工自己沾沾自喜的时候,其实who cares
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没有这些改动,现在马鬃就会慢的一坨,三天两头当机啊
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 26 even Comarade Xing's shitbbs need a lot of "invisible" changes to stay up.
of course a lot of those are so "visible" haha
and it's still shit
【在 R***a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 没有这些改动,现在马鬃就会慢的一坨,三天两头当机啊
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 27 that's why company pays more for those marketing sales decision makers etc,
hehe
but regular sales marketing folks not that useful either. those guys got
paid shit.
Salary says all, hehe.
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 有关系吧,马鬃的码工做的很多都是无用功,还不如marketing,sales这个层面的决策 : 影响大, 马工自己沾沾自喜的时候,其实who cares
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Z*****l 发帖数: 14069 | |
z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 29 can understand is ok lah
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 受不了老三的英文了。
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R***a 发帖数: 41892 | 30 老邢什么时候变的同志?
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : even Comarade Xing's shitbbs need a lot of "invisible" changes to stay up. : of course a lot of those are so "visible" haha : and it's still shit
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s*****i 发帖数: 3762 | 31 that's true.
so the life of code peasant starts with golory fairytail, and ends with
miserable reality.
,
【在 z*********n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : that's why company pays more for those marketing sales decision makers etc, : hehe : but regular sales marketing folks not that useful either. those guys got : paid shit. : Salary says all, hehe.
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z*********n 发帖数: 94654 | 32 well, it's a relatively high paid job. not as high as what you mentioned,
but higher than a lot others.
so it's just a relatively higher paid peasent, nothing to be glorius, no
fairytale. and not miserable at all.
just a peasant, not more not less
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : that's true. : so the life of code peasant starts with golory fairytail, and ends with : miserable reality. : : ,
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l*********g 发帖数: 1899 | 33 要联系上下文看。
典型如“beauty country”,我重复看了3次这2词。我想,全国都是美女的国家是哪个
?除了唐僧路过的那个女儿国还有哪里?后来我看到他接着就说码农的事了,我就排除
了女儿国。
【在 Z*****l 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 受不了老三的英文了。
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