f*****u
发帖数: 15 | 1 本人化学Ph.D毕业，现在big pharm工作两年，PAY 90K左右, 但是在制药公司满地都是
Ph.D, 看着周围同事，假如只做bench scientist的话 SALARY长的特慢, 混5-10年做
group的头也就~130-140K，当然压力也小，相对华尔街而言.
曾经想过读MBA/Quan,但是觉得自己三十好几，再读两年去华尔街毫无优势，而且也不
想full time读书，毕竟还得养活老婆，孩子，全职读书，压力太大。
考虑转行到Patent Lawyer, 这样薪水才有向上的空间，而且Ph.D还排的上用场，各位
转行到Patent Lawyer前辈给点意见，拍砖也行，毕竟是一个大的Career Change，希望
先就把各方面权衡好，多谢先！！
顺便问一下，Patent Lawyer的压力比华尔街如何？假如想有经验后海龟，这个Patent
Lawyer有优势吗？ |
s*********h
发帖数: 413 | |
f*****u
发帖数: 15 | 3 多谢！
自己也顶一下！哈哈。
【在 s*********h 的大作中提到】
: 帮你顶一下！
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c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 4 If you get into a T14 school, and make top 2/3 of class, assuming there's no
other intervening factors (e.g., you act like a freak in interviews), you
shouldn't have much of a problem finding a job that pays 160K. Since you're
a guy, your old age won't really be held against you.
Question is, are the cost of 3 years of your life plus $100+K in tuitions
worth it? You work at BigLaw for a few years. You may make partner. Much
more likely, you will not. You go in-house, and your earning is back at |
n*********t
发帖数: 7 | 5 Since you're a guy, your old age won't really be held against you. |
l******i
发帖数: 48 | 6 sounds like in house will be much lower paid? What is the range for that
track? |
f*****u
发帖数: 15 | 7 多谢回答。 不过在almondjuice的文章中不是说先干technical specialist， 然后
part-time读Law school，连学费都省了，也就四年。这样是不是更好？
no
re
the
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: If you get into a T14 school, and make top 2/3 of class, assuming there's no
: other intervening factors (e.g., you act like a freak in interviews), you
: shouldn't have much of a problem finding a job that pays 160K. Since you're
: a guy, your old age won't really be held against you.
: Question is, are the cost of 3 years of your life plus $100+K in tuitions
: worth it? You work at BigLaw for a few years. You may make partner. Much
: more likely, you will not. You go in-house, and your earning is back at
|
s*********h
发帖数: 413 | 8 几点疑问：
1。 是不是LawSchool出来以后， 结合以前的TechSpecialist的经验就能直接做到
Associate？
2。 如果Associate做不到Partner 是不是就只能去干"in-house", 而这个工资是比不
上Associate的？
我感觉你说的是“放弃一切去读LawSchool”的途径。。。
no
re
the
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: If you get into a T14 school, and make top 2/3 of class, assuming there's no
: other intervening factors (e.g., you act like a freak in interviews), you
: shouldn't have much of a problem finding a job that pays 160K. Since you're
: a guy, your old age won't really be held against you.
: Question is, are the cost of 3 years of your life plus $100+K in tuitions
: worth it? You work at BigLaw for a few years. You may make partner. Much
: more likely, you will not. You go in-house, and your earning is back at
|
m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 9 If you just want to boost your salary, Law School isn't for you. You are
better off selling yourself on Wall Street. |
z***e
发帖数: 1757 | 10 If you plan to go back to China at some point in the future, patent lawyer
definitely pays more than a bench scientist.
If you plan to stay here, worst case (paywise) is in-house which probably
pays equal to, if not more than, a group leader. I don't think you would
have much to lose in this pursuit, as long as you are willing to put in a
few years of hard work. |
|
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z***e
发帖数: 1757 | 11
Tech Specialist experience is not even necessary. The only thing matters is
to graduate from a decent law school with good enough grades.
Not necessary. A lot of in-house are paid more than 160K, which is the pay
grade for first year associate nowadays. Of course in-houses are paid less
than the law firm associates of the same tenure, but with much better work
life balance.
【在 s*********h 的大作中提到】
: 几点疑问：
: 1。 是不是LawSchool出来以后， 结合以前的TechSpecialist的经验就能直接做到
: Associate？
: 2。 如果Associate做不到Partner 是不是就只能去干"in-house", 而这个工资是比不
: 上Associate的？
: 我感觉你说的是“放弃一切去读LawSchool”的途径。。。
:
: no
: re
: the
|
l******i
发帖数: 48 | 12 You are telling us a truth, but it is Off the topic! I think people are
comparing salaries in IP or related fields. Acturally, we are selling
ourself to some jobs that can make some use of our non-quantitive science
background (Chem or Bio).
【在 m*******6 的大作中提到】
: If you just want to boost your salary, Law School isn't for you. You are
: better off selling yourself on Wall Street.
|
C*****t
发帖数: 177 | 13 做patent有什么意思？
钱少没什么难度。
好像没有JD都能做。
Patent
【在 f*****u 的大作中提到】
: 本人化学Ph.D毕业，现在big pharm工作两年，PAY 90K左右, 但是在制药公司满地都是
: Ph.D, 看着周围同事，假如只做bench scientist的话 SALARY长的特慢, 混5-10年做
: group的头也就~130-140K，当然压力也小，相对华尔街而言.
: 曾经想过读MBA/Quan,但是觉得自己三十好几，再读两年去华尔街毫无优势，而且也不
: 想full time读书，毕竟还得养活老婆，孩子，全职读书，压力太大。
: 考虑转行到Patent Lawyer, 这样薪水才有向上的空间，而且Ph.D还排的上用场，各位
: 转行到Patent Lawyer前辈给点意见，拍砖也行，毕竟是一个大的Career Change，希望
: 先就把各方面权衡好，多谢先！！
: 顺便问一下，Patent Lawyer的压力比华尔街如何？假如想有经验后海龟，这个Patent
: Lawyer有优势吗？
|
c*******i
发帖数: 951 | 14 With respect to salary:
HedgeFund >>>>>>Investment Banking>>>>>>>Doctor/lawyer>药厂Scientist |
s*********h
发帖数: 413 | 15 Thank you for clarifying my confusions!
is
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
:
: Tech Specialist experience is not even necessary. The only thing matters is
: to graduate from a decent law school with good enough grades.
: Not necessary. A lot of in-house are paid more than 160K, which is the pay
: grade for first year associate nowadays. Of course in-houses are paid less
: than the law firm associates of the same tenure, but with much better work
: life balance.
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 16 What is this obsession with tech specialist? If you wanna do IP, just go to
a good law school and become an associate, like sinkingfish said. The job
market for IP associates is much larger than that for tech specialists. |
z***e
发帖数: 1757 | 17 Financially doing part-time law school will come out ahead than going to
school full time, at least in the short term, with tuition reimbursement and
salary during school. In the long term, it's hard to tell, especially if
you turn down a better law school for a lower ranking one in order to do it
on the part time basis. It's a personal judgment call.
【在 f*****u 的大作中提到】
: 多谢回答。 不过在almondjuice的文章中不是说先干technical specialist， 然后
: part-time读Law school，连学费都省了，也就四年。这样是不是更好？
:
: no
: re
: the
|
a*********e
发帖数: 518 | 18 I think it also depends on what kind of firm you start with and what is your
goal.
For example, if you start with a top firm and you do want to switch to other
legal areas rather than IP law. There is no very strong reasons to justify
a full law school. If you want to keep your original position at the firm,
your only choices are local schools, there usually not too many schools just
from walking distance to your home and office. If you decide to quit and go
to a good school, but keeping working
【在 z***e 的大作中提到】
: Financially doing part-time law school will come out ahead than going to
: school full time, at least in the short term, with tuition reimbursement and
: salary during school. In the long term, it's hard to tell, especially if
: you turn down a better law school for a lower ranking one in order to do it
: on the part time basis. It's a personal judgment call.
|
s*********h
发帖数: 413 | 19 The money talks...Being tech specialist may offer me an opportunity to go to
part-time Law school, with tuition reimbursed...
to
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: What is this obsession with tech specialist? If you wanna do IP, just go to
: a good law school and become an associate, like sinkingfish said. The job
: market for IP associates is much larger than that for tech specialists.
|
J*********r
发帖数: 5921 | 20 问题是现在金融市场不好，而且律师可能能更好的平衡家庭事业吧
很多人也没有strong quantitative background（比如学生物化学的）
转行难度太大。
楼主先考个LSAT吧，也看看自己是否适合大量的阅读写作
【在 c*******i 的大作中提到】
: With respect to salary:
: HedgeFund >>>>>>Investment Banking>>>>>>>Doctor/lawyer>药厂Scientist
|
|
|
f*****u
发帖数: 15 | 21 非常感谢 almondjuice, czjd, sinkingfish, zhyue etc. 的建议和讨论.
大家知道新泽西有什么好的IP FIRM 和LAW SCHOOL? 是不是都在纽约? 现在是LAW FIRM
招人的好时候吗?
your
other
justify
just
go
【在 a*********e 的大作中提到】
: I think it also depends on what kind of firm you start with and what is your
: goal.
: For example, if you start with a top firm and you do want to switch to other
: legal areas rather than IP law. There is no very strong reasons to justify
: a full law school. If you want to keep your original position at the firm,
: your only choices are local schools, there usually not too many schools just
: from walking distance to your home and office. If you decide to quit and go
: to a good school, but keeping working
|
C*****t
发帖数: 177 | 22 一个IB里面legal team的人很少
还不如直接找banker的位置
【在 c*******i 的大作中提到】
: With respect to salary:
: HedgeFund >>>>>>Investment Banking>>>>>>>Doctor/lawyer>药厂Scientist
|
J*********r
发帖数: 5921 | 23 高盛现在的董事长就是HLS毕业的，不知道是怎么做到这个位置的，呵呵。
【在 C*****t 的大作中提到】
: 一个IB里面legal team的人很少
: 还不如直接找banker的位置
|
l******i
发帖数: 48 | 24 Agree！
【在 J*********r 的大作中提到】
: 问题是现在金融市场不好，而且律师可能能更好的平衡家庭事业吧
: 很多人也没有strong quantitative background（比如学生物化学的）
: 转行难度太大。
: 楼主先考个LSAT吧，也看看自己是否适合大量的阅读写作
|
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 25 If you want to ensure your chance of making 160K by the time you graduate,
you should go to a T14 school. Yes it's possible to land a same job going to
a school outside top 14, but your chance of doing so significantly
decreases as soon as you go out of T14. The debate on the virtues of
attending a T14 are lively and never-ending. I will not go any further on
this.
Also keep in mind most T14 schools don't offer a part-time program.
FIRM
【在 f*****u 的大作中提到】
: 非常感谢 almondjuice, czjd, sinkingfish, zhyue etc. 的建议和讨论.
: 大家知道新泽西有什么好的IP FIRM 和LAW SCHOOL? 是不是都在纽约? 现在是LAW FIRM
: 招人的好时候吗?
:
: your
: other
: justify
: just
: go
|
i****y
发帖数: 5184 | 26 To be more precise, only Georgetown (No. 14 of T14) offers a part time
program.
Which T14 are you attending/attended, czjd? Do you think it's very different
from a No. 20 sth school? and How different?
Thanks for sharing.
to
【在 c**d 的大作中提到】
: If you want to ensure your chance of making 160K by the time you graduate,
: you should go to a T14 school. Yes it's possible to land a same job going to
: a school outside top 14, but your chance of doing so significantly
: decreases as soon as you go out of T14. The debate on the virtues of
: attending a T14 are lively and never-ending. I will not go any further on
: this.
: Also keep in mind most T14 schools don't offer a part-time program.
:
: FIRM
|
a*********e
发帖数: 518 | 27 well, to get into Georgetown's part time program, you have to secure a job
in a DC based firm. I would say the probability is skim.
different
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: To be more precise, only Georgetown (No. 14 of T14) offers a part time
: program.
: Which T14 are you attending/attended, czjd? Do you think it's very different
: from a No. 20 sth school? and How different?
: Thanks for sharing.
:
: to
|
m*******6
发帖数: 43 | 28 The benefit of being a TS/PA is that it gives you a chance to have a flavor
of the IP job before you get yourself into LS. It is true that patent
prosecution can be very boring, but so can be litigation to some extent.
Endless doc review isn't very fun. |
c**d
发帖数: 3888 | 29 I went to UVA. The biggest difference between UVA and a school ranked around
the 20ths, is that every Arpil, UVA appears half way on the list of law
school rankings before one gets to the other school. Unless your grades got
you into law review, nobody will care about your law school grades after you
've been working for 5 years. But some people will care about which law
school you went to, even after you've been working for 20 years. Some
clients care. And thus, so do law firms.
There are other
【在 i****y 的大作中提到】
: To be more precise, only Georgetown (No. 14 of T14) offers a part time
: program.
: Which T14 are you attending/attended, czjd? Do you think it's very different
: from a No. 20 sth school? and How different?
: Thanks for sharing.
:
: to
|
