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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 1 刘的被捕是合法的。刘是被关在先，得奖在后，西媒在试图颠倒这个顺序。我也有点不
知不觉被洗脑的感觉。
你要challenge这个事情，只能challenge中国关于中共不容颠覆的宪法。而中国的中共
一党专政纳入宪法，在当时绝对是给予人数民主的结果。至于现在是否还能反映大多数
的民意，值得讨论。但宪法的改变，不是那么容易的事情。要慢慢来。
"... imprisoned a Nobel laureate" -- Awarding the Nobel to Liu was really in
reaction to his harsh prison sentence, which took place before the award.
So the language here is misleading at best.
The gravest human rights violations in China is really not about the
imprisonment of this activists who open calls for an end to one-party rule
by the CCP. The Chinese constitution and other laws on the books actually
does not grant its citizens the right to challenge the CCP's rule of China,
so Liu's imprisonment is not illegal.
The main problem in China is the denial of rights that are actually
guaranteed under Chinese constitution. Censorship of the Internet is one
such example. Such violations of its own constitution by the Chinese
government also directly impedes the operation of many US companies in China
, and should be the focus of US protests and demands.
[Now you can question the legitimacy of a Constitution that leads to the
imprisonment of people like Liu. But that goes back to the civil war in
which the Chinese people voted overwhelmingly with their blood for the
current system. Any change will have to come slowly. BTW I think Liu
received 11 years partially for the reason so that other signatories of
Charter 08 would thus not need to be prosecuted.] | L*********d
发帖数: 7037 | 2 英文五毛在NYT网站上发的评论，不是NYT的评论。
发贴不要misleading.Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Z Zhou
Houston
January 20th, 201112:29 am
"... imprisoned a Nobel laureate" -- Awarding the Nobel to Liu was really in
reaction to his harsh prison sentence, which took place before the award.
So the language here is misleading at best.
The gravest human rights violations in China is really not about the
imprisonment of this activists who open calls for an end to one-party rule
by the CCP. The Chinese constitution and other laws on the books actually
does not grant its citizens the right to challenge the CCP's rule of China,
so Liu's imprisonment is not illegal.
The main problem in China is the denial of rights that are actually
guaranteed under Chinese constitution. Censorship of the Internet is one
such example. Such violations of its own constitution by the Chinese
government also directly impedes the operation of many US companies in China
, and should be the focus of US protests and demands.
[Now you can question the legitimacy of a Constitution that leads to the
imprisonment of people like Liu. But that goes back to the civil war in
which the Chinese people voted overwhelmingly with their blood for the
current system. Any change will have to come slowly. BTW I think Liu
received 11 years partially for the reason so that other signatories of
Charter 08 would thus not need to be prosecuted.]
in
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 刘的被捕是合法的。刘是被关在先，得奖在后，西媒在试图颠倒这个顺序。我也有点不
: 知不觉被洗脑的感觉。
: 你要challenge这个事情，只能challenge中国关于中共不容颠覆的宪法。而中国的中共
: 一党专政纳入宪法，在当时绝对是给予人数民主的结果。至于现在是否还能反映大多数
: 的民意，值得讨论。但宪法的改变，不是那么容易的事情。要慢慢来。
: "... imprisoned a Nobel laureate" -- Awarding the Nobel to Liu was really in
: reaction to his harsh prison sentence, which took place before the award.
: So the language here is misleading at best.
: The gravest human rights violations in China is really not about the
: imprisonment of this activists who open calls for an end to one-party rule
| n***s
发帖数: 294 | 3 Link, please.
really in
award.
rule
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 刘的被捕是合法的。刘是被关在先，得奖在后，西媒在试图颠倒这个顺序。我也有点不
: 知不觉被洗脑的感觉。
: 你要challenge这个事情，只能challenge中国关于中共不容颠覆的宪法。而中国的中共
: 一党专政纳入宪法，在当时绝对是给予人数民主的结果。至于现在是否还能反映大多数
: 的民意，值得讨论。但宪法的改变，不是那么容易的事情。要慢慢来。
: "... imprisoned a Nobel laureate" -- Awarding the Nobel to Liu was really in
: reaction to his harsh prison sentence, which took place before the award.
: So the language here is misleading at best.
: The gravest human rights violations in China is really not about the
: imprisonment of this activists who open calls for an end to one-party rule
| M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 4 是不是5毛，你没有任何证据。即使是5毛，我也要喝彩。
但你指出了标题misleading，我同意，所以改了。谢谢。
truth.
in
【在 L*********d 的大作中提到】
: 英文五毛在NYT网站上发的评论，不是NYT的评论。
: 发贴不要misleading.Tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
: Z Zhou
: Houston
: January 20th, 201112:29 am
: "... imprisoned a Nobel laureate" -- Awarding the Nobel to Liu was really in
: reaction to his harsh prison sentence, which took place before the award.
: So the language here is misleading at best.
: The gravest human rights violations in China is really not about the
: imprisonment of this activists who open calls for an end to one-party rule
| M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 5 我还真找不到了，因为忘了文章标题了。不过楼上LookingGood 显然找到了，还贴出了
评论者的名字。希望LookingGood 能帖一下link
【在 n***s 的大作中提到】
: Link, please.
:
: really in
: award.
: rule
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