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M*****8
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华盛顿的埃及噩梦 (ZT)
你可以用以下的阿拉伯半岛电视台的连接看埃及的现场新闻直播:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Published on Friday, January 28, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
Washington's Egyptian Nightmare
by Gary Olson
As I watch events unfolding on the streets of Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt and
elsewere in the region I'm reminded of a summer I spent in Egypt studying
Arabic language and Middle East politics at The American University in Cairo
. For a time I was booked into the upscale Shepheard Hotel (on the Fulbright
Commission's dime) on the banks of the Nile in downtown Cairo. Over the
course of several weeks I came to know Mohammed, my regular breakfast server
, and learned that he had a Ph.D. in mechanical engineering but owing to the
abysmal economic situation considered himself fortunate to have any job to
support his family.
One morning a young Kuwaiti prince swept in, sat down at an adjacent table
and immediately began to berate Mohammed's as if he were a servant. As
nearly as I could tell from my rudimentay Arabic he complained about the tea
water's temperature, insufficient shine on the silverware and the food's
quality. I noticed that Mohammed bowed, accepted this humiliating treatment
and profusely apologized to avoid offending this arrogant punk.
After the Kuwaiti left, I asked Mohammed about their exchange and he replied
"Yes, that happens quite frequently. These spoiled rich kids from the Gulf
come to Cairo to whore around and load up on luxury goods. Yes, it's
difficult to be treated this way but I can't afford to lose this job. They
can do this way because the oil happens to be under their sand. My hope is
that some day we will overthrow all these corrupt regimes, starting with our
own, and this democratic movement will spread to the Gulf states. My dream
is that we could use the oil wealth to benefit all people of the region and
even extend it to people around the Third World. Then he wistfully said, "If
your government didn't support these wretched regimes my dream might come
true. Please tell your citizens that we are suffering because your
government backed Sadat and now Mubarak."
Of course U.S. policymaker's recurring nightmare is that genuine
democratization breaks out in in Egypt and spreads to the oil monarchies. 米
国决策者挥之不去的噩梦,就是万一真正的民主在埃及开花,然后散布到[中东的]各个
石油王国。 And one assumes that at this moment Washington is doing
everything in its power to sabotage this possibility or try to mitigate the
damage. In a comment that won't surprise the Arab street, Secretary of State
Clinton recently credited Mubarek's police state with "looking for ways to
respond to the legitimate needs and interests of the Egyptian people."
We know that Mubarek's predecessor, "Pharoah" Anwar Sadat, sold out the
Palestinians for thirty pieces of silver - U.S. taxpayer subsidies have
averaged $2 billion a year for 30 years -- from Washington in 1979 and paid
for it by being assassinated in 1981. I vividly recall the absolute
puzzlement on the faces of U.S. journalists covering Sadat's funeral as they
searched in vain for grieving Egyptians.
One hopes the current democratic stirrings succeed in toppling the three-
decade old Mubarak dictatorhsip and then spread to Kuwait, Jordan, Saudi
Arabia and beyond. As Egyptian journalist Hossam El-Hamabwy recently noted
about Tunisia, "We don't have only one Ben Ali in the Arab world; we have 22
Ben Alis, and they all need to go." I'm cautiously optimistic that more
chickens have (finally) come home to roost in this part of the world for U.S
. foreign policy and that it's yet another indicator of a declining U.S.
empire.
Finally, some thirty years ago, when I made some research and study visits
to the region, most of the activists I encountered were secular, nominally
Muslim and sometimes Christian. Thanks to U.S. opposition to nationalism, U.
S./Israeil intransigence toward Palestinian rights and Washington's embrace
of brutal dictatorhips, "Islam is the answer" gained added support. I could
be wrong but more recently, it seems that younger Arabs are returning to
something more secular, a yearning for basic human rights, decency and
democracy untethered to say, the Muslim Brotherhood or other sclerotic
ideologies. And as we take inspiration from those in the streets of Tunisia
and Egypt we'd do well to consider how we might match their courageous
commitment.
Gary Olson, Ph.D. Is chair of the Political Science Department at Moravian
College in Bethlehem, PA. Contact: o***[email protected]
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文章读者评论:
ClassAct January 28th, 2011 10:15 am
Oppressive regimes in the Middle East strike down all opposition politics in
their nations, mostly with US support because secular politics are likely
to be interpreted as socialism by American monopolies who control the shadow
government, leaving Islam as the only surviving institution. The government
that forms in their wakes when such despotism falls is therefore likely to
seek supra-national Islamic religious goals instead of widely-shared, but
disparate secular interests.
Arnold Toynbee predicted that the central struggle of the 21st century would
not be against "socialism" but against Islam, which is in fact the emergent
result of the monopolies' war against socialism.
kivals January 28th, 2011 11:03 am
I think that is exactly right. The US has for decades, in the Middle East
and around the world, constructed and maintained levees to prevent the
natural flow of anti-colonial ideologies and political movements from
entering what it considered the dangerous regions of the secular left, and
only allowed the river of anti-colonial energy and ideas to flow through
conceptual territory dominated by religious thought (which had its own
negative consequences). Now, maybe those levees have been breached.
polycarpe January 28th, 2011 10:32 am
For a very good analysis of the United States' marriage to Saudi Arabia in
the wake of the 1973 oil embargo please read John Perkins' "Confessions of
An Economic Hit Man" in which he details the MO by which America fostered
relations with corrupt Middle Eastern regimes in exchange for the guaranteed
flow of oil.
As ClassAct has already noted, Perkins also touches upon Toynbee by
discussing how Toynbee's idea of a "War against Islam" was well known among
the student population of Indonesia as far back as the late 60s and early
70s.
medmedude January 28th, 2011 12:32 pm
the writer writes: "Of course U.S. policymaker's recurring nightmare is that
genuine democratization breaks out in in Egypt"
that's true but even worse i am sure they are shitting their pants at the
notion that democracy might break out in fascist amerika
the barry soetero show is losing its audience by the day
maybe he should hook up with regis and do a punch and judy type deal
Trylon January 28th, 2011 1:22 pm
.
See the pyramids along the Nile
Watch the sunrise on a tropic isle
Just remember darlin' all the while
You belong to me
marc medler January 28th, 2011 2:02 pm
Will outrage in the Arab world spread?
If it does come to the Saudi royals- What will they throw at the people;
American tear gas, pallets of American hundred dollar bills, or yank the
gold plumbing fixtures from their palaces and defend their "ordained"
privilege with sinks and toilets?
Perhaps, these giants of industry, job creation and innovation will flee to
Texas, (land of adopted brothers) and muscle in on the action there.
karlof1 January 28th, 2011 2:14 pm
Recall the recent attack on Copts and their almost immediate embrace by
Egypt's muslims in a show of solidarity similar to what we're now witnessing
. At the time, I thought the political implications omminous since it seemed
a new political consciousness was being exhibited. As a result, we see a
overtly secular rebellion calling for fundamental human rights and
dismantling of an authoritarian governmental structure and its managers. As
I wrote earlier, any possible sign of Islamic influence is being buried so
there can be no use of the "terrorism card." If Egypt can transform itself
into a genuine participatory democratic-republic, the antithesis of Rice's
New Middle East will create a dynamic that's hard to stop.
petrkrop January 28th, 2011 2:54 pm
You can watch the events in Egypt and the rest of the Middle East unfold on
Al Jazeera's livestream broadcasting in English:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Amazing to see the courage of these people!
WhenThen January 28th, 2011 4:57 pm
'Washington's Egyptian Nightmare'
We are watching live the results of Egypt's American Nightmare.
Mark Dalessio January 28th, 2011 8:24 pm
Mubarak's especially rotten, USA propped-up dictatorship in Egypt is 30
years old, yeah. But Egypt's almost unbroken popular tradition of tolerating
and even WANTING dictatorship of one kind of another, is a much more
daunting 4000+ years old.
While I strongly support the current uprising, there, if only because it
might boot the ultra-fossilized mummy Mubarak and his rich people's party
from power, I only do so on the assumption (a guarded hope, really), that
whatever new government might emerge will be more democratic in both
structure and intent, even if just a little bit. than anything the country
has ever known in its past to-date.
Unless a structural deepening of democracy is the outcome of all this
protest, or is at least something that starts to empower an incipient
process that then reliably moves TOWARD such an outcome, none of the current
sturm und drang is going to mean shit for average Egyptians, except to get
a lot of innocent people killed, while providing a chance for their
oligarchs to replace Mubarak with, simply, a more PR-savvy despot/puppet.
As for the US government ever officially and openly supporting such a
democracy-enhancing outcome in Egypt, now or in the future: I don't think
that's ever going to happen until and unless Americans somehow manage to
overthrew their own oligarchy.
S****y
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2


Cairo
Fulbright

【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】
: 华盛顿的埃及噩梦 (ZT)
: 你可以用以下的阿拉伯半岛电视台的连接看埃及的现场新闻直播:
: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
: Published on Friday, January 28, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
: Washington's Egyptian Nightmare
: by Gary Olson
: As I watch events unfolding on the streets of Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt and
: elsewere in the region I'm reminded of a summer I spent in Egypt studying
: Arabic language and Middle East politics at The American University in Cairo
: . For a time I was booked into the upscale Shepheard Hotel (on the Fulbright

M*****8
发帖数: 17722
3

你可以用以下的阿拉伯半岛电视台的连接看埃及的现场新闻直播:
http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
Cairo
Fulbright
以下是埃及民众示威的一些图片连接。
http://bit.ly/gsrrtV
http://english.aljazeera.net/photo_galleries/africa/20111251926

【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】
: 华盛顿的埃及噩梦 (ZT)
: 你可以用以下的阿拉伯半岛电视台的连接看埃及的现场新闻直播:
: http://english.aljazeera.net/watch_now/
: Published on Friday, January 28, 2011 by CommonDreams.org
: Washington's Egyptian Nightmare
: by Gary Olson
: As I watch events unfolding on the streets of Tunisia, Yemen, Egypt and
: elsewere in the region I'm reminded of a summer I spent in Egypt studying
: Arabic language and Middle East politics at The American University in Cairo
: . For a time I was booked into the upscale Shepheard Hotel (on the Fulbright

M*****8
发帖数: 17722
4
以下是埃及民众示威的一些连续的录像连接。
http://bit.ly/f4A4gs
http://english.aljazeera.net/indepth/spotlight/anger-in-egypt/
M*****8
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由于埃及有反对党,
也有反对党的媒体,
所以这次示威的结果,
至少会产生一些实质改革,
只是改革的程度未知而已。
M*****8
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米国对埃及和对突尼斯为何双重标准?
(注意名记者的发问技巧)
http://bit.ly/fV6ZfC
http://pulsemedia.org/2011/01/27/shihab-rattansi-lays-bare-us-h
如果以上连接有问题,用以下的:
http://youtu.be/pmEcQMwprIo
q******g
发帖数: 3858
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只要是通过选举,美国总是能把他自己的代理人安排到总统的位置。美国只是用一条年
轻的狗取代一只老狗而已。
M*****8
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这篇文章读者的评论比文章本身更有趣。
http://bit.ly/fzRKNx
M*****8
发帖数: 17722
9

http://bit.ly/fV6ZfC
http://pulsemedia.org/2011/01/27/shihab-rattansi-lays-bare-us-h
http://youtu.be/pmEcQMwprIo
..................
全球人都同情并且支持埃及的民众,
米国则支持镇压埃及民众的埃及政府。
http://bit.ly/faLD46

【在 M*****8 的大作中提到】
: 米国对埃及和对突尼斯为何双重标准?
: (注意名记者的发问技巧)
: http://bit.ly/fV6ZfC
: http://pulsemedia.org/2011/01/27/shihab-rattansi-lays-bare-us-h
: 如果以上连接有问题,用以下的:
: http://youtu.be/pmEcQMwprIo

t***h
发帖数: 5601
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medmedude January 28th, 2011 12:32 pm
the writer writes: "Of course U.S. policymaker's recurring nightmare is that
genuine democratization breaks out in in Egypt"
s****r
发帖数: 5546
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这不扯淡呢吗。米国要是通过选举就总能把自己的代理人安排到总统,哪还用的着
扯出来萨达姆、阿连德、穆巴拉克这些破事。

【在 q******g 的大作中提到】
: 只要是通过选举,美国总是能把他自己的代理人安排到总统的位置。美国只是用一条年
: 轻的狗取代一只老狗而已。

M*****8
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地球人的政治觉醒是 NWO(世界新次序)主宰者的噩梦。
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=22995
视频连接:
http://youtu.be/oDBlABD01U0
在不久的将来,
如果 YouTube 内容被过滤,
甚至被政府封了,
我也绝不会惊讶。
全球人的政治觉醒是寡头政治和寡头财富垄断阶级的噩梦。
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