c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 1 VOA Chinese, Mar 3, 2011.
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110303-Chinas-Airport-Overkill-117370608.html
(中国民航信息网的一篇文章说,这个投资计划包括新建45个机场,新增1900多架飞机
。目前中国有175个机场。李家祥承认,其中大约130个机场处于亏损状况;去年全年亏
损额达到16.8亿元")
My comment:
(a) Jamil Anderlini, China’s airport overkill. Financial Times Feb 28, 2011
(in the column of beyondbrics).
http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/02/28/chinas-airport-over
Quote:
"The total national aircraft fleet, operated almost entirely by state-owned
carriers, will be expanded to more than 4,500 over that time from 2,600
aircraft at the end of last year.
"In the short-term most airport projects will continue to lose money in the
face of growing competition from high-speed rail and lack of passenger
demand for out-of-the-way destinations.
(b) Jonathan Shieber, Auditors Find Rash of Graft at Chinese Airports. China
Real Time, Feb 15, 2011.
http://blogs.wsj.com/chinarealtime/2011/02/15
/auditors-find-rash-of-graft-at-chinese-airports/ |
j***x 发帖数: 1469 | |
x*********g 发帖数: 11508 | 3 中国航空业机场这么少,而美国机场超过1万个,但是中国航空总运载人数和里程数,
居然跟美国是一个数量级上的。
谁给解释解释这个到底是怎么回事? |
c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 4 "中国航空总运载人数和里程数, 居然跟美国是一个数量级上的." Where do you get
the data, for China?
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国航空业机场这么少,而美国机场超过1万个,但是中国航空总运载人数和里程数, : 居然跟美国是一个数量级上的。 : 谁给解释解释这个到底是怎么回事?
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s****n 发帖数: 1140 | 5 coask
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : "中国航空总运载人数和里程数, 居然跟美国是一个数量级上的." Where do you get : the data, for China?
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s****i 发帖数: 2993 | 6 airports with commercial passenger flights less than 600 in the US.
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 中国航空业机场这么少,而美国机场超过1万个,但是中国航空总运载人数和里程数, : 居然跟美国是一个数量级上的。 : 谁给解释解释这个到底是怎么回事?
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z****e 发帖数: 54598 | |
x*********g 发帖数: 11508 | 8 贴个答案,简单说就是美国那么多(15000)机场飞的其实多是私人小飞机。而通常各大航空公司飞的也就600个机场的样子。
发信人: yoh (海豚), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 国家级贫困县重庆巫山将投资13亿元建机场
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Mar 6 10:00:51 2011, 美东)
你感到奇怪是很正常的,世界上除了美国之外的人基本上都会感到奇怪,这并不是
因为美国航空业效率太低,而是美国航空业有个比其他国家特殊的分支。
原因是美国绝大部分机场的业务都是通用航空,而不是商用航空,即使是商业航空
的机场,通用航空也占很重要的比重,你随便到美国的一个机场都会有一个专门的
业务很多的入口写着General Aviation。通用航空目前在中国基本是0,政府刚刚
考虑开放领域给民间。通用航空就是不以商业定期航班服务为目的的航空,比如私人
喷气式行政机、私人螺旋桨载客机、运动飞机、娱乐飞机、非定期货运飞机、农用飞机、
灭火飞机、警用飞机、医疗飞机等等,这些飞机的飞行量是不计入航空运输周转量的。
美国的通用航空量比全世界其他国家加起来的还要多,所以一提航空世界上绝大部分
人都认为是商业航空,而想不到通用航空。美国通用航空相关的业务量超过美国GDP
的1%,是重要的支柱行业。
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : coask
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 9 (1) You say "中国航空总运载人数和里程数, 居然跟美国是一个数量级上的."
You are asked for data to back up the assertion. Not personal; it is
incumbent of anybody who makes a claim to back it up. Neither you nor Yoh
has done that.
Re: 国家级贫困县重庆巫山将投资13亿元建机场
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/Military/35364905.html
And your assertion simply does not make sense. Come on, China is still
relatively POOR.
(2) United Nations European Commission for Europe (UNECE), for "Transport
Statistics" lists
(a) USA:
•Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS)
•Motor Traffic Highway Statistics
•Transportation Research Board
(b) China: National Bureau of Statistics
as "National Statistical Sources."
http://www.unece.org/trans/main/wp6/transstatlinks.html
Just now I found no data in National Bureau of Statistics for China's
aviation or "air transport"--in both Chinese and English.
But China's avaition statistics is no national secret. Google with 中国 航空
统计 and yearbook or China's journals all charge fee for viewing or
purchase.
(3)
(a) Transportation in the United States
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transportation_in_the_United_State
(section 6 Air transportation)
(b) general aviation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_aviation
Quote:
"General aviation (GA) is one of the two categories of civil aviation [
besides "scheduled air transport"]. It refers to all flights other than
military and scheduled airline and regular cargo flights, both private and
commercial.
"General aviation is particularly popular in North America, with over 6,300
airports available for public use by pilots of general aviation aircraft (
around 5,200 airports in the U.S., and over 1,000 in Canada[1]). In
comparison, scheduled flights operate from around 560 airports in the U.S.[2]
Ref 2 is
FAA Administrator's Fact Book. US Department of Transportation.
(b) Bureau of Transportation Statistics (BTS), Research and Innovative
Technology Administration (RITA), US Department of Transportation (DOT).
http://www.bts.gov/
(a) In the home page, click Revenue Passenger-Miles" (RPM).
(b) Aviations. WikiInvest.
http://www.wikinvest.com/industry/Airlines
The section "Industry Specific Metrics" explains all metrics in BTS "
Airlines and Airports", including the all important RPM.
(4) As for China.
(a) Frank Jordans, World's 5 biggest airlines now from Asia, LatAm.
Associated Press, Dec 14, 2010.
http://travel.usatoday.com/flights
/2010-12-14-worlds-biggest-airlines_N.htm
("By passenger miles flown — a common measure of airline size — Delta
still ranks as the world's number one, followed by American Airlines and
United, with Air China outside the top ten")
(b) Air Travel in China. Facts and Details, undated.
http://factsanddetails.com/china.php
?itemid=313&catid=13&subcatid=86
("Passenger miles: 77.35 billion in 2004 (compared 1 billion in Tunisia to
480 billion in the United States)")
This data is not official, but it is the best I can get. |
g*q 发帖数: 26623 | 10 崔教授继续YY。
都2011年了还炒2004年的冷饭。找个2010年的数据就那么难么?自己找不到的话我看你
还是永远退出军版算了。这个版上我都贴过多少次的东西了。 |
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g*q 发帖数: 26623 | 11 http://ccnews.people.com.cn/GB/14005236.html
2010年,我国民航业实现利润总额437亿元,效益创历史最好水平。其中航空公司实现
利润总额351亿元,占全球航空公司利润总额的60%。 |
d***y 发帖数: 8536 | 12 那是不是机场亏,航空公司赚?
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : http://ccnews.people.com.cn/GB/14005236.html : 2010年,我国民航业实现利润总额437亿元,效益创历史最好水平。其中航空公司实现 : 利润总额351亿元,占全球航空公司利润总额的60%。
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N***m 发帖数: 4460 | 13 看来铁道部应该分家,铁路轨道局和机车局两家。
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那是不是机场亏,航空公司赚?
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l**i 发帖数: 8144 | 14 买飞机 给美国交保护费
2011
【在 c**i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : VOA Chinese, Mar 3, 2011. : http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news : /20110303-Chinas-Airport-Overkill-117370608.html : (中国民航信息网的一篇文章说,这个投资计划包括新建45个机场,新增1900多架飞机 : 。目前中国有175个机场。李家祥承认,其中大约130个机场处于亏损状况;去年全年亏 : 损额达到16.8亿元") : My comment: : (a) Jamil Anderlini, China’s airport overkill. Financial Times Feb 28, 2011 : (in the column of beyondbrics). : http://blogs.ft.com/beyond-brics/2011/02/28/chinas-airport-over
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g*q 发帖数: 26623 | 15 2010民航业利润总额437亿元>航空公司实现利润总额351亿元
2009年,民航全行业实现利润总额122亿元, 国内的航空公司实现利润总额74亿元,比
上年减亏增盈392亿元;机场实现利润总额30亿元
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那是不是机场亏,航空公司赚?
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c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 16 Come on, what kind of "metrics" is that? A metric means a benchmark.
And five-year boarding? No yearly data, that is what I said in the previous
posting. Is that a national secret in China?
【在 g*q 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : http://ccnews.people.com.cn/GB/14005236.html : 2010年,我国民航业实现利润总额437亿元,效益创历史最好水平。其中航空公司实现 : 利润总额351亿元,占全球航空公司利润总额的60%。
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c*****t 发帖数: 10738 | 17 机场是政府当冤大头。可是航空公司应该是独立核算啊。 |
c**i 发帖数: 6973 | 18 Sorry, in yesterday's posting of mine, I provided a wrong URL. The correct
one:
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Military/35363023_3.html
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【在 c**i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Come on, what kind of "metrics" is that? A metric means a benchmark. : And five-year boarding? No yearly data, that is what I said in the previous : posting. Is that a national secret in China?
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g*q 发帖数: 26623 | 19 你要是自己找不到中国民航每年的客运量和周转量数据,只能说你的贴字全是joke。我
没有义务替你贴出来,虽然我在这个版上贴过无数次了。
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【在 c**i 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : Come on, what kind of "metrics" is that? A metric means a benchmark. : And five-year boarding? No yearly data, that is what I said in the previous : posting. Is that a national secret in China?
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