n******7
发帖数: 5678 | 1 Liu Sixing, also know as Steve Liu, was arrested at his home in Deerfield,
Illinois and charged with one count of exporting defense-related technical
data without a license, the Justice Department said in a statement.
Liu, a Chinese national with permanent residency in the United States,
worked for the New Jersey-based company L-3 Communications from March 2009
until November 2010 as a senior engineer on a team developing precision
navigation devices.
Apparently, border agents' suspicions were aroused when the agents found a conference lanyard in his luggage during a secondary inspection at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Liu had said he'd been in China to visit family.
"Customs officers found a folder containing multiple pages of technical language, pictures of military weapons systems, and documents written in Chinese," wrote U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lisa Lenches-Marrero, in an affidavit listing the charges against Liu. Border guards also found a laptop. After obtaining a search warrant, federal investigators then discovered hundreds of company documents on Liu's computer, including several that contained technical data on guidance and control systems governed by U.S. arms export control laws.
这人有点粗心，公司文件居然放在私人电脑里带回国。完全可以用更安全的方法嘛，比
如加密后放到网上储存账户。 |
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 2 照这个查法，估计一般的wsn engineers都要被关起来
,
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: Liu Sixing, also know as Steve Liu, was arrested at his home in Deerfield,
: Illinois and charged with one count of exporting defense-related technical
: data without a license, the Justice Department said in a statement.
: Liu, a Chinese national with permanent residency in the United States,
: worked for the New Jersey-based company L-3 Communications from March 2009
: until November 2010 as a senior engineer on a team developing precision
: navigation devices.
: Apparently, border agents' suspicions were aroused when the agents found a conference lanyard in his luggage during a secondary inspection at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Liu had said he'd been in China to visit family.
: "Customs officers found a folder containing multiple pages of technical language, pictures of military weapons systems, and documents written in Chinese," wrote U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lisa Lenches-Marrero, in an affidavit listing the charges against Liu. Border guards also found a laptop. After obtaining a search warrant, federal investigators then discovered hundreds of company documents on Liu's computer, including several that contained technical data on guidance and control systems governed by U.S. arms export control laws.
: 这人有点粗心，公司文件居然放在私人电脑里带回国。完全可以用更安全的方法嘛，比
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m*****u
发帖数: 15526 | 3 靠。以后出国开学术会是不是都悬了？电脑里不能放project data。
Deerfield,
technical
2009
China,
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: Liu Sixing, also know as Steve Liu, was arrested at his home in Deerfield,
: Illinois and charged with one count of exporting defense-related technical
: data without a license, the Justice Department said in a statement.
: Liu, a Chinese national with permanent residency in the United States,
: worked for the New Jersey-based company L-3 Communications from March 2009
: until November 2010 as a senior engineer on a team developing precision
: navigation devices.
: Apparently, border agents' suspicions were aroused when the agents found a conference lanyard in his luggage during a secondary inspection at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Liu had said he'd been in China to visit family.
: "Customs officers found a folder containing multiple pages of technical language, pictures of military weapons systems, and documents written in Chinese," wrote U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lisa Lenches-Marrero, in an affidavit listing the charges against Liu. Border guards also found a laptop. After obtaining a search warrant, federal investigators then discovered hundreds of company documents on Liu's computer, including several that contained technical data on guidance and control systems governed by U.S. arms export control laws.
: 这人有点粗心，公司文件居然放在私人电脑里带回国。完全可以用更安全的方法嘛，比
|
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 4 以后少浏览军网，免得被当做间谍
建议military改名为worldpeace版
【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】
: 靠。以后出国开学术会是不是都悬了？电脑里不能放project data。
:
: Deerfield,
: technical
: 2009
: China,
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n******7
发帖数: 5678 | 5 他还把开会的资料放在箱子里，还有武器的照片，这不是自找麻烦吗？ |
h****n
发帖数: 4860 | |
m*****u
发帖数: 15526 | 7 会议资料放箱子再普通不过了吧？又不是什么机密文件。
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: 他还把开会的资料放在箱子里，还有武器的照片，这不是自找麻烦吗？
|
y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 8 这就是欲加之罪啊，
你要有出卖资料获取利益的证据才能给人定罪
我桌面放个J20，不知道FBI会不会认为我是间谍
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: 他还把开会的资料放在箱子里，还有武器的照片，这不是自找麻烦吗？
|
w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 9 早就说过了，随着中国的技术突破越来越多，北美的科技民工只会越来越倒霉。因为美
国人的逻辑就是：中国没取得技术突破那说明中国人是劣等民族，中国取得技术突破那说明是中国人从美国窃取的科技，无论如何，绝对不可能是中国人自己研发出来的，绝对不可能是因为中国人比美国人聪明，绝对不可能是中国政府比美国政府有效率，绝对不可能是中国的制度比美国的更好。
FBI抓人不需要证据，华人那张黄种人的脸就是证据；抓人不需要具体的理由，中国威胁就是最好的理由。 |
n******7
发帖数: 5678 | 10 不是机密文件美国人可以要告你，它只要觉得可疑就行了。
【在 m*****u 的大作中提到】
: 会议资料放箱子再普通不过了吧？又不是什么机密文件。
|
|
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g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | |
g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 12 犀利
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 早就说过了，随着中国的技术突破越来越多，北美的科技民工只会越来越倒霉。因为美
: 国人的逻辑就是：中国没取得技术突破那说明中国人是劣等民族，中国取得技术突破那说明是中国人从美国窃取的科技，无论如何，绝对不可能是中国人自己研发出来的，绝对不可能是因为中国人比美国人聪明，绝对不可能是中国政府比美国政府有效率，绝对不可能是中国的制度比美国的更好。
: FBI抓人不需要证据，华人那张黄种人的脸就是证据；抓人不需要具体的理由，中国威胁就是最好的理由。
|
d********9
发帖数: 598 | 13 LoL
：
你还觉得自己是个真正意义上的人么？ 在米国到哪里都要像龟孙子一样提醒别干这别
碰那的， 这不
就是高压社会下的一条贱狗么， 但
是见到老中的面还要诡称自己民主自由， 住着风一吹就倒车一撞就塌多下几天雨就发
霉的木板墙外面贴上半寸厚的砖面的米国标
准豆腐渣房子却见人就吹自己住了豪华别墅，吃着激素毒牛肉毒鸡肉毒芹菜换说新鲜好
吃，被米国白老板fire来fire去整天丧家狗一样， 没事被白匪们捉进局子揍也忘了民主自由抗争的茬了， 嚓， 你
说骗人骗到这个失败的地步不是失败是什
么，做狗也要看看自己的膜样。
： |
n******7
发帖数: 5678 | 14 美国现在的方针是不管是不是机密文件，只要是可疑文件，就把你抓了，宁可错抓100
，不放掉一个。就是白色恐怖。
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 这就是欲加之罪啊，
: 你要有出卖资料获取利益的证据才能给人定罪
: 我桌面放个J20，不知道FBI会不会认为我是间谍
|
m*****u
发帖数: 15526 | 15 嗯。民猪自由就是好。真是tm自由。
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 早就说过了，随着中国的技术突破越来越多，北美的科技民工只会越来越倒霉。因为美
: 国人的逻辑就是：中国没取得技术突破那说明中国人是劣等民族，中国取得技术突破那说明是中国人从美国窃取的科技，无论如何，绝对不可能是中国人自己研发出来的，绝对不可能是因为中国人比美国人聪明，绝对不可能是中国政府比美国政府有效率，绝对不可能是中国的制度比美国的更好。
: FBI抓人不需要证据，华人那张黄种人的脸就是证据；抓人不需要具体的理由，中国威胁就是最好的理由。
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w***t
发帖数: 8175 | 16 艹，以后要小心了。不知道这哥们被起诉个什么罪名？ |
w***t
发帖数: 8175 | 17 exporting defense-related technical
data without a license,
这个有多严重？ |
w***t
发帖数: 8175 | |
l**u
发帖数: 356 | |
w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 20
你让人家台湾出生的李文和情何以堪？
【在 l**u 的大作中提到】
: 这个好，整死这帮共匪
|
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h****n
发帖数: 4860 | 21 那你还赖在美国干吗，等着被抓英勇就义吗？
【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: 早就说过了，随着中国的技术突破越来越多，北美的科技民工只会越来越倒霉。因为美
: 国人的逻辑就是：中国没取得技术突破那说明中国人是劣等民族，中国取得技术突破那说明是中国人从美国窃取的科技，无论如何，绝对不可能是中国人自己研发出来的，绝对不可能是因为中国人比美国人聪明，绝对不可能是中国政府比美国政府有效率，绝对不可能是中国的制度比美国的更好。
: FBI抓人不需要证据，华人那张黄种人的脸就是证据；抓人不需要具体的理由，中国威胁就是最好的理由。
|
h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 22 nod
老小将全抓，小将遣返，老将留下来为黑哥们献菊花
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 照这个查法，估计一般的wsn engineers都要被关起来
:
: ,
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w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 23
（举起右拳，指向太阳穴）时刻准备着。。。
【在 h****n 的大作中提到】
: 那你还赖在美国干吗，等着被抓英勇就义吗？
|
c*****t
发帖数: 10738 | 24 连公民都不是，能接触到什么秘密，扯蛋啊。回国还准备工作加班？ |
n******7
发帖数: 5678 | 25 所以说是迫害。
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 连公民都不是，能接触到什么秘密，扯蛋啊。回国还准备工作加班？
|
w*********g
发帖数: 30882 | 26
讲逻辑那就是不是FBI了。
不光FBI，以后要小心所有的白人心理不平衡。具体原因可以看看我的文章《美国惧怕
中国崛起的内在心理原因》
http://www.zaobao.com/forum/pages3/forum_us101113d.shtml
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 连公民都不是，能接触到什么秘密，扯蛋啊。回国还准备工作加班？
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 27 Best example of this is Chi Mak, who was sentenced to 24.5 years in prison
for taking to China a CD containing IEEE conference papers that were
available on the internet.
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: 不是机密文件美国人可以要告你，它只要觉得可疑就行了。
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z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 28 http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_
Editor’s Note: A Chinese-American professional in Silicon Valley reviews
recent federal prosecution against Chinese Americans for espionage and finds
the real guilty party to be the FBI. NAM contributor Dr. George Koo has
been a consultant for American companies in China for 30 years.
When a Chinese American is accused of spying for China, other Chinese
Americans feel a chill, especially professionals like myself in Silicon
Valley.
The May 10 conviction of Chi Mak, an electronics engineer employed by a
defense contractor, is the latest case in point. Ultimately found guilty of
the much lesser charge of being an unregistered foreign agent, when Mak was
first arrested, he was depicted as the worst undercover agent for China the
United States had ever seen.
When the defense pointed out that Mak had become a naturalized citizen who
has lived quietly in his modest suburban home for 27 years, the FBI
countered that this simply exposed Mak as a deep and effective mole.
Mak’s colleagues testified that the papers he copied in the CDs intended
for a Chinese university were his own published work, and were already in
the public domain. They posed no threat to U.S. national security.
The prosecution countered that Mak had failed to apply for an export license
for the CDs, and charged him with failure to register as a foreign agent.
The prosecution also accused Mak of lying to the FBI during the initial
interrogation. Somehow, the FBI failed to record this interrogation so it
boiled down to a case of “we said, he said” in court.
The prosecution said Mak’s handler was a mysterious Mr. Pu in Guangzhou.
Mak testified that Pu was an academic friend looking after one of his
relatives. If the government knew more about Pu than Mak did, it was not
disclosed in court.
The prosecution claimed a great victory in this case. According to the
government, the fact that such a spectacular opening ended with a modest
conviction simply demonstrates the difficulty of prosecuting Chinese spies
in the United States.
Denise Woo, a former FBI agent, was assigned to conduct an undercover
investigation on Jonathan Wang, another Chinese American working for a
defense contractor who was suspected of spying. Woo challenged the
reliability of the source who fingered Wang as a suspect.
The FBI clearly was not pleased to hear that they had been wasting taxpayer
money on an investigation going nowhere. Instead of dropping the case, they
charged Woo with five felony counts alleging breach of national security and
abetting an enemy agent.
Woo contested the charges and was defended pro bono by Mark Holscher, the
attorney who had represented Wen Ho Lee when he faced 59 counts of espionage
. Woo eventually copped to a misdemeanor charge so that she could get on
with her life and was fined $1,000.
Her case bears a striking similarity to Wen Ho Lee’s, whose prosecution
fell apart when the FBI agent in charge admitted to lying in court.
In a move to save face, the 59 counts were reduced to one, for illegally
downloading computer information, in exchange for the months of solitary
confinement Lee had already served. The presiding judge apologized to Lee
for unfair and inhumane treatment.
The FBI is convinced that China is a patient collector of bits and pieces of
intelligence, mostly from Chinese Americans sympathetic to their homeland.
Those of us working in the technology industry find the notion ludicrous
that obsolete tidbits could add up to a leading edge in military
intelligence. But to the FBI, even information in the public domain points
to espionage if China is involved and if the conveyor is an ethnic Chinese.
The chilling conclusion is that any Chinese American could become willing –
or unsuspecting – gatherers of valuable data to Beijing.
When the FBI agent comes calling, there is only one thing to do. Get a
lawyer before talking to them. |
l******i
发帖数: 4666 | 29 Steve Liu, 闯天涯的中新五鼠.
该抓,庆祝!!!!
http://cache.tianya.cn/publicforum/content/free/1/1388061.shtml
作者：steveliu08 提交日期：2008-7-23 8:04:00
天涯的朋友们大家好，我们是一群年轻的留美学生，也是海外最大的华人论坛
mitbbs的版面管理者。我们虽然身处国外，却心系祖国，心中揣着祖国的荣誉。看到天
涯杂谈，我们感到挺震惊的。我们有时候不能理解，为什么像天涯这样的论坛竟然可以
容忍这样多对祖国的污蔑和反动言论！我觉得我们虽然身处国外，也应该为国家做点什
么。
在以前，海外华人论坛中经常会有关于政府行为的质疑与批评，还有不顾我国国情
，讨论民主宪政等等话题的。这令我们十分痛心，为什么中国人就不能团结呢？我觉得
，以前出国的留学生，很多都是在国内读过本科硕士甚至工作过，多少沾染了不良的社
会习气。而我们现在来美国读高中和本科的留学生越来越多了，年轻就是力量，我们将
是维护国家尊严的中流砥柱。在我们几个年轻的版主上任后，决心改变海外中国人论坛
批评政府的这种风气，力争在海外维护好中国和中国人的形象。
针对网站言论治理，我们实施了几个步骤，在这里与天涯管理者探讨。
首先是要消除批评政府的声音。对负面新闻和言论，一定要删除。这种声音一个是
让人感到反感，不舒心。再一个，它会影响国家的形象。我们身处海外，我们的言论外
国人都看得到，我们更有责任维护国家和政府的荣誉。
此外，对于那些喜欢崇尚民主人权，对政府行为有异议的老留学生，以及上了年纪
的华人，我们在一律严格封禁他们发言的同时，也要展开教育，让他们知道现在中国的
巨大变化和进步。中国的道路是中国人民自己选择的，也是最适合我们发展的道路。而
且，也是国家养了你们，做人要感恩！
另外，我们也要定期以全体中国学生名义向CNN等新闻机构发表抗议，并让他们了
解什么是真实的中国，什么是中国人真实的想法。中国人不需要他们虚伪的民主和自由
，生存权是最大的人权！
有人可能会问，你们为什么要这么做呢？难道中国人在海外的论坛上，也不能拥有
言论自由吗？我想告诉你们，我们在海外的人，更加深刻的理解，世界上并没有什么言
论自由。朋友们，相信我们，我们比你们更加了解什么是西方所谓的民主自由人权，这
些统统都是骗人的。能让我们在国外堂堂正正做人的，是我们强大的祖国。那些造谣污
蔑者所说的社会黑暗面，在我们以前的生活中基本没有遇到过。我们是改革开放后成长
起来的一代人，我们伴随着祖国的成长，亲眼见证了祖国的发展， 富强和繁荣昌盛。
现在，我们欣慰的看到，在mitbbs最大的版面中国新闻版上，已经不见了那些黑暗
面和质疑的声音，很多捣乱的人也均被封禁，现在版面上都是对我们祖国和奥运的祝福
，还有一些有识之士从理论上深刻揭露西方国家虚伪的本质。相信每一个爱国学子到这
里都会感到心情舒畅，再也没有了吃苍蝇的感觉。
当然，总会有一些人对我们的行为有异议，说我们限制了言论自由。我们问心无愧
。君子坦荡荡，小人常戚戚。我们只是希望天涯的管理者也能加把劲，海内海外共同加
油，心往一处想，劲往一处使，共同维护华人互联网世界的一片洁净天空。
欢迎大家讨论并谢谢大家支持！
conference lanyard in his luggage during a secondary inspection at New
Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Liu had said he'd been in
China to visit family.
language, pictures of military weapons systems, and documents written in
Chinese," wrote U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lisa
Lenches-Marrero, in an affidavit listing the charges against Liu. Border
guards also found a laptop. After obtaining a search warrant, federal
investigators then discovered hundreds of company documents on Liu's
computer, including several that contained technical data on guidance : and
control systems governed by U.S. arms export control laws.
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: Liu Sixing, also know as Steve Liu, was arrested at his home in Deerfield,
: Illinois and charged with one count of exporting defense-related technical
: data without a license, the Justice Department said in a statement.
: Liu, a Chinese national with permanent residency in the United States,
: worked for the New Jersey-based company L-3 Communications from March 2009
: until November 2010 as a senior engineer on a team developing precision
: navigation devices.
: Apparently, border agents' suspicions were aroused when the agents found a conference lanyard in his luggage during a secondary inspection at New Jersey's Newark Liberty International Airport. Liu had said he'd been in China to visit family.
: "Customs officers found a folder containing multiple pages of technical language, pictures of military weapons systems, and documents written in Chinese," wrote U.S. Federal Bureau of Investigation Special Agent Lisa Lenches-Marrero, in an affidavit listing the charges against Liu. Border guards also found a laptop. After obtaining a search warrant, federal investigators then discovered hundreds of company documents on Liu's computer, including several that contained technical data on guidance and control systems governed by U.S. arms export control laws.
: 这人有点粗心，公司文件居然放在私人电脑里带回国。完全可以用更安全的方法嘛，比
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L*********d
发帖数: 7037 | |
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t*******y
发帖数: 21396 | 31 有时一张会议光盘也会写着confidential啥的，你平时搁哪儿都没事，给这帮崽子在飞
机场逮着了就倒大霉
【在 n******7 的大作中提到】
: 他还把开会的资料放在箱子里，还有武器的照片，这不是自找麻烦吗？
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k*****r
发帖数: 21039 | 32 Stevens Tech前阵子抓了个中国教授，结果怎么样？
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】
: 有时一张会议光盘也会写着confidential啥的，你平时搁哪儿都没事，给这帮崽子在飞
: 机场逮着了就倒大霉
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s********i
发帖数: 17328 | 33 如果是刘故意的，没啥话说。如果不是故意的，则是中国人不重视规章制度的又一案例
。自己干这行的，进公司会没人给他讲export license是啥？向我们这种普通的IT公司
，这都是必修课。防止泻密是很正常的规章制度，不管在中国还是美国。比如，你在银
行工作，能拿着客户的资料到处跑。不出事没人管，一旦有事儿，不是自找麻烦么？ |
x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | 34 以后老将再贴什么查暂住证的帖子，小将们就可以贴这个回击。
P民在哪里日子都不好过啊。
民主自由抗争的茬了， 嚓， 你
【在 d********9 的大作中提到】
: LoL
: ：
: 你还觉得自己是个真正意义上的人么？ 在米国到哪里都要像龟孙子一样提醒别干这别
: 碰那的， 这不
: 就是高压社会下的一条贱狗么， 但
: 是见到老中的面还要诡称自己民主自由， 住着风一吹就倒车一撞就塌多下几天雨就发
: 霉的木板墙外面贴上半寸厚的砖面的米国标
: 准豆腐渣房子却见人就吹自己住了豪华别墅，吃着激素毒牛肉毒鸡肉毒芹菜换说新鲜好
: 吃，被米国白老板fire来fire去整天丧家狗一样， 没事被白匪们捉进局子揍也忘了民主自由抗争的茬了， 嚓， 你
: 说骗人骗到这个失败的地步不是失败是什
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