c****i
发帖数: 688 | 1 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
袖手旁观，和没事人一样
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc |
c****i
发帖数: 688 | 2 强烈建议神经脆弱的人不要看，太暴力了，越往后越暴力。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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c****h
发帖数: 4968 | |
c****i
发帖数: 688 | 4 三分02秒左右是土著的女人，被当街扒光，击打下体和乳房，并让她当中受辱。
这些受害者中的很多人，加入了毛主义游击队。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 5 印度军人当街猥亵妇女，这次是军人啊
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTArs6ljqgk
军人似乎是稀客族， 女人是藏缅族之类的。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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xt
发帖数: 17532 | 6 Jawan不是军人，是内务部队，类似于武警
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 印度军人当街猥亵妇女，这次是军人啊
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTArs6ljqgk
: 军人似乎是稀客族， 女人是藏缅族之类的。
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 7 另一起军人猥亵少女
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PI_FYMOPuRA
警察强奸受害者， 军队猥亵妇女。印度民国。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 印度军人当街猥亵妇女，这次是军人啊
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTArs6ljqgk
: 军人似乎是稀客族， 女人是藏缅族之类的。
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l*******0
发帖数: 1293 | 8 作为老将，我反复的说过多遍，民主不是没素质的人搞得了的。
刘晓波的三百年殖民地提高素质的话是有一定道理的。
至于印度人这种素质，三百年都不够。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 9 你说错了， 炸完就是波斯语小伙子的意思， 印度语引用后专门指大兵，
这次被在印巴边界打死的正规军，也叫炸完。
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
: Jawan不是军人，是内务部队，类似于武警
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 10 这种国家就是个文化腐败的国家。
垃圾人群。
【在 l*******0 的大作中提到】
: 作为老将，我反复的说过多遍，民主不是没素质的人搞得了的。
: 刘晓波的三百年殖民地提高素质的话是有一定道理的。
: 至于印度人这种素质，三百年都不够。
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f**********r
发帖数: 576 | 11 我靠，够野蛮的，这些tea labour惨
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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v******u
发帖数: 1616 | 12 我靠，啥时候的事？
太野蛮了！
还以为阿三就恒河水恶心人呢。
恶心坏了 |
v******u
发帖数: 1616 | 13 对，你们老将自己这么点素质，连几个小将都对付不了，还奢谈什么民主？
你去舔小波刘吧，不送
【在 l*******0 的大作中提到】
: 作为老将，我反复的说过多遍，民主不是没素质的人搞得了的。
: 刘晓波的三百年殖民地提高素质的话是有一定道理的。
: 至于印度人这种素质，三百年都不够。
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 14 2007年，还有更恶心的，我没贴而已。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JemH2_CIekY
【在 v******u 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，啥时候的事？
: 太野蛮了！
: 还以为阿三就恒河水恶心人呢。
: 恶心坏了
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 15 这是2008年的事吧，有人贴过。
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPrxfVF8S0
三哥武警在阿萨姆邦的村落里对着民居开枪，象打牲口一样打人，让人前滚翻着滚蛋，
有人当街自焚了。
这就是民主。
【在 v******u 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，啥时候的事？
: 太野蛮了！
: 还以为阿三就恒河水恶心人呢。
: 恶心坏了
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H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 16 在印度每年光穆斯林和印度教徒之间的冲突就相互虐杀数以万计，只不过印度是民主国
家，西方媒体一般避免报道这些阴暗面 |
h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 17 中国要让天顶星人殖民
100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000年才好
--超将
【在 l*******0 的大作中提到】
: 作为老将，我反复的说过多遍，民主不是没素质的人搞得了的。
: 刘晓波的三百年殖民地提高素质的话是有一定道理的。
: 至于印度人这种素质，三百年都不够。
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g*******g
发帖数: 9753 | 18 这就是黄世仁vs杨白劳啊
杨白劳咋不用选票把黄世仁选下去呢？
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 19 印度能把这些社会阴暗面公布在youtube上，说明印度人民享有充分的言论自由
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 这是2008年的事吧，有人贴过。
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hZPrxfVF8S0
: 三哥武警在阿萨姆邦的村落里对着民居开枪，象打牲口一样打人，让人前滚翻着滚蛋，
: 有人当街自焚了。
: 这就是民主。
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S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 20 一直以为印度人不会打架
看来还是挺狠的
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 21 宗教和种姓引发的冲突非常血腥
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 一直以为印度人不会打架
: 看来还是挺狠的
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 22 Slumdog Millionair没看过？
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 一直以为印度人不会打架
: 看来还是挺狠的
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c****h
发帖数: 4968 | 23 中国只要有几个人拿茉莉花上街，西方媒体就跟打了鸡血一样报道。可是对阿三这样的
却只字不提。可见其虚伪。 |
xt
发帖数: 17532 | 24 我赞同这个看法。而且印度人民可以直选各级政府领导人，
光这个民主权利就值!
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 印度能把这些社会阴暗面公布在youtube上，说明印度人民享有充分的言论自由
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S****e
发帖数: 10596 | 25 那到底在印度
其他人打得过穆斯林吗
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 宗教和种姓引发的冲突非常血腥
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c**********u
发帖数: 7276 | 26 我靠，这tmd还是人说的话吗？照你这意思，民主了烧杀奸淫也值。 老将真是人渣。
【在 xt 的大作中提到】
: 我赞同这个看法。而且印度人民可以直选各级政府领导人，
: 光这个民主权利就值!
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 27 宁可当印度贱民，也不当中国农民
---好蛋
【在 c**********u 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，这tmd还是人说的话吗？照你这意思，民主了烧杀奸淫也值。 老将真是人渣。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 28 这种民主， 也太水分渣子了吧。
什么劳资纠纷 ？
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 29 都是内斗的狠角色，和同种族的巴基斯坦打的死去活来的。
【在 S****e 的大作中提到】
: 一直以为印度人不会打架
: 看来还是挺狠的
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c**********u
发帖数: 7276 | 30 好蛋这十年，真不容易啊。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 宁可当印度贱民，也不当中国农民
: ---好蛋
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h****6
发帖数: 815 | 31 同问？啥劳资纠纷啊？
至于吗？
其中一个男的叫的跟小绵羊似的，不过刚开头的时候似乎有人还拦着不想出人命吧，有
人拦着一个想拿石头砸的
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 这种民主， 也太水分渣子了吧。
: 什么劳资纠纷 ？
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 32 据说给钱少了，雇工就和雇主打了起来。
后来为了证明这次屠杀是对的，棕三哥在论坛上说，是这些黑三哥半夜摸进雇主的房间
，把他杀死，并且吃了他们的肉。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 这种民主， 也太水分渣子了吧。
: 什么劳资纠纷 ？
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S******r
发帖数: 4421 | 33 印度 OK
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 34 http://ibnlive.in.com/news/why-did-assam-tea-labourers-fight-fo
这些黑色的人是印度的波利尼西亚部落的人，被英国殖民者带入啊撒母邦作为最低下的
劳力，给英国人采茶。打人的这些也是移民，是从印度中部和西北部移民过去统治当地
人的，当地人是藏缅人。这些
黑三哥给这些打人的三哥打工，饱受欺凌和盘剥。可能上街了。就冲突了。
【在 h****6 的大作中提到】
: 同问？啥劳资纠纷啊？
: 至于吗？
: 其中一个男的叫的跟小绵羊似的，不过刚开头的时候似乎有人还拦着不想出人命吧，有
: 人拦着一个想拿石头砸的
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h****6
发帖数: 815 | 35 他们咋分出来自己人的？我看着大家都一个样啊？
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: http://ibnlive.in.com/news/why-did-assam-tea-labourers-fight-fo
: 这些黑色的人是印度的波利尼西亚部落的人，被英国殖民者带入啊撒母邦作为最低下的
: 劳力，给英国人采茶。打人的这些也是移民，是从印度中部和西北部移民过去统治当地
: 人的，当地人是藏缅人。这些
: 黑三哥给这些打人的三哥打工，饱受欺凌和盘剥。可能上街了。就冲突了。
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 36 明显被打的更黑啊。
【在 h****6 的大作中提到】
: 他们咋分出来自己人的？我看着大家都一个样啊？
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m*******e
发帖数: 6358 | 37 NPR钱几天说了，印度死了1million这样的，西媒也不会报道，中国只要一个艾未未，
西媒就高潮了
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 中国只要有几个人拿茉莉花上街，西方媒体就跟打了鸡血一样报道。可是对阿三这样的
: 却只字不提。可见其虚伪。
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s*******i
发帖数: 12823 | 38 没见过小巴吧？绝对不是一个种族，小巴自己也不认的
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 都是内斗的狠角色，和同种族的巴基斯坦打的死去活来的。
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N**i
发帖数: 243 | 39 这年头 烤猫钓条鱼也不容易
烤猫你不要败坏老将的名声
【在 c**********u 的大作中提到】
: 我靠，这tmd还是人说的话吗？照你这意思，民主了烧杀奸淫也值。 老将真是人渣。
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 40 基本上就是宗教不同
【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】
: 没见过小巴吧？绝对不是一个种族，小巴自己也不认的
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 41 小巴也很乱的，大概有十几个种族。
【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】
: 没见过小巴吧？绝对不是一个种族，小巴自己也不认的
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s*******i
发帖数: 12823 | 42 长相差异还是挺大的
你就说你有熟人是小巴么？有的话绝对说不出这种话
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 基本上就是宗教不同
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 43 大杂烩
伊斯兰教不信种姓这个邪，很多低种姓的也加入了。这恐怕是伊斯兰教为数不多先进的
地方。
反过来说，三连穆都不如。
小巴的各个民族，有几个的确和三哥无法区分，也许就是巴籍印地族吧，
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 基本上就是宗教不同
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 44 当然有，乍一看以为是阿三
你去看看莫卧儿王朝的地图就知道了
【在 s*******i 的大作中提到】
: 长相差异还是挺大的
: 你就说你有熟人是小巴么？有的话绝对说不出这种话
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 45 Nagaon(Assam):In yet another incident of tea labour violence in Assam, tea
workers in Central Assam's Nagaon district surrounded and tried to set on
fire a tea factory on Wednesday after the assistant manager of the
establishment had assaulted a guard.
Amsoi tea estate assistant manager Pankajesh Garaip had allegedly beat up
the guard, Durgeswar Tanti, at his bungalow last night, police sources said.
Today the labourers in the garden angered by the assault gheraoed the estate
management and attempted to burn down the tea factory, the sources said.
Police rushed there and brought the situation under control and took Garaip
into custody for allegedly assaulting the guard, they said.
On December 26 last, a mob of disgruntled labourers hacked the proprietor of
MKB Tea Estate Mridul Bhattacharyya in Tinsukia district and burnt his body
parts along with his wife alive by setting their bungalow on fire.
The killers of Bhattacharya after hacking him ate his flesh before setting
it on fire, according to the confessional statements of the accused before
the police.
A few years back tea planter Rupak Gogoi was burnt alive by the workers of
his garden in Golaghat.
In another incident in Sonitpur district, a deputy manager and assistant
manager of Sepoi tea garden were burnt alive in front of their family
members by irate labourers on the Durga Puja bonus payment issue some years
ago.
Tea industry sources claimed that outside influences were responsible for
such attacks with different labour unions and political parties attempting
to establish base among the tea workers.
The situation often get aggravated during the time for payment of puja bonus
when these organisations raise unrealistic demands on behalf of the workers
or instigate them against the rate fixed by the garden management in
consultation with the only recognised union Assam Chah Mazdoor Sangha (ACMS)
, the sources said. |
L**i
发帖数: 22365 | 46 皿煮可以把这些视频自由的上传
但是无法解决这些问题……
皿煮洗脑输出的价值观当真无敌 |
c****h
发帖数: 4968 | 47 所以说什么主义，民猪也罢，独裁也罢，都是浮云。西媒可以把民猪描写得很美好，可
是决定性作用的还是人。民猪，共产，都是书本上美好的东西。可到了执行者手上就会
走样。执行能力好的政府，就是名义上用了被西媒否认的制度也能把国家治理好。反之
亦然。 |
c**********u
发帖数: 7276 | 48 是这个理。老将偏偏要抱着个民主当饭吃。
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 所以说什么主义，民猪也罢，独裁也罢，都是浮云。西媒可以把民猪描写得很美好，可
: 是决定性作用的还是人。民猪，共产，都是书本上美好的东西。可到了执行者手上就会
: 走样。执行能力好的政府，就是名义上用了被西媒否认的制度也能把国家治理好。反之
: 亦然。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 49 人家报道了，你没有看。
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 在印度每年光穆斯林和印度教徒之间的冲突就相互虐杀数以万计，只不过印度是民主国
: 家，西方媒体一般避免报道这些阴暗面
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 50 你去问问周围的美国人，有几个知道什么中国的茉莉花上街的。
人家媒体同样报道过印度的各种情况，你自己平时不关心不看而已。电视里几分钟冒出
个词儿 China, 你就赶快去看两眼。 所谓打鸡血是中文网站，和你自己的感觉而已。
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 中国只要有几个人拿茉莉花上街，西方媒体就跟打了鸡血一样报道。可是对阿三这样的
: 却只字不提。可见其虚伪。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 51 刚才看了，那也是真事儿。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 据说给钱少了，雇工就和雇主打了起来。
: 后来为了证明这次屠杀是对的，棕三哥在论坛上说，是这些黑三哥半夜摸进雇主的房间
: ，把他杀死，并且吃了他们的肉。
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发帖数: 15 | 52
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 53 如果这些问题无法解决，还不许别人有上传视频的自由，你怎么看 ？
【在 L**i 的大作中提到】
: 皿煮可以把这些视频自由的上传
: 但是无法解决这些问题……
: 皿煮洗脑输出的价值观当真无敌
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 54 你看视频里印度人都穿着裤子，原来穿了裤子的人，也会那么野蛮，也这么垃圾。
穿裤子有什么好的，还有那么多人喜欢穿裤子 ？
【在 c**********u 的大作中提到】
: 是这个理。老将偏偏要抱着个民主当饭吃。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 55 英国人权组织网站文章。
Struggle of Tea Plantation Workers in North East India
Created: 2010-11-04
Malnutrition and Starvation Deaths
‘Due to malnutrition people started falling sick, in the last five years
more than 200 people have died on this (Tea) estate alone.’
‘They do not have any rice, they are hungry and they have to work on empty
stomach- so they fall ill and die. All of them died due to hunger and
malnutrition. This is how my husband died, he worked without enough food and
he died because the tea garden was shut down.’
These are the words of community leader Prahlad Sharma and former tea
plantation worker Lakshmi Gosain. It appeared in a British Broadcast
Corporation report in 20071, speaking from the tea estates of Ramjhora in
the northern part of the Indian state of West Bengal in 2007. It seems like
a tale from the medieval times. Though the inequalities of wealth in India
are well-known and pictures of abject poverty are shown regularly,
starvation deaths are something that is normally associated with Africa, not
India, and India rather is often trying to portray a strong image of
prosperity inspired by double digit GDP growth and increase in consumption.
The conditions of workers in the tea estates of eastern India show the dark
side of the ‘Indian growth’, considering the fact that Indian tea
production is one of the largest in the world, second only to China. Why are
then the workers dying of hunger? And who is benefiting from the multi-
million dollar tea industry? To understand this one needs to dig deeper.
Indian Tea Industry – Rise to Major Global Producer
Tea workers in Darjeeling, North Bengal
Tea is one of the oldest industries in India with a history dating back more
than 150 years. Its cultivation started during the colonial period thanks
to the discovery of tea leaves in the Brahmputra valley in the northeast of
India by Robert Bruce in 1823, and in 1838 the first tea leaves from Assam
were sent for sale to the United Kingdom. India soon became a major tea-
producing nation, with tea being grown mainly in four states: the
northeastern states of West Bengal and Assam and the southern states of
Tamil Nadu and Kerala. India attained the unique position of being the
largest producer of tea in the world for nearly 100 years, until it was
overtaken by China in 2005. India continues to maintain the position of the
second largest producer. Apart from China and India, Sri Lanka and Kenya are
the other major tea-producing nations, and the four of them together they
produce three quarters of the world’s tea. In 2008, India produced about
980 million kilograms of tea.
As of December 2009 the total turnover of the Indian tea industry stood at
about 90 billion rupees, or about US$2 billion. However due to huge
domestic demand for the tea in both India and China, the majority, about 80%
of the production, is consumed domestically and rest is exported. Thus,
Kenya and Sri Lanka, despite producing less than half quantity of tea
compared to India, are the leading exporters of tea.
Most of the tea is sold – loose unbranded in the Indian market. However,
recently there is steady increase in the sale of packaged branded tea with
global players active in India also. In the year 2000 the Indian Tata tea
company procured the leading UK brand – Tetley - and Tata-Tetley has
become a leading global brand. Within India, Unilever (manufacturer of the
popular global brand Lipton) and Tata Tea are the leading brands. The brands
, irrespective of the horrifying conditions of workers, have been posting
steady profits over the years. Tata Tea has recently overtaken Unilever to
become the leading brand in India and has become an over US$ 1 billion
company.
Source : Tea Board of India http://www.teaboard.gov.in/pdf/stat/Global%20Scenario07.pdf ) ; Source : Tea Board of India http://www.teaboard.gov.in/pdf/stat/Global%20Scenario07.pdf )
Plantation Workers – Century of Bondage
There is no agreement on the number of workers employed in the tea industry
and different sources give different figures, roughly between 1 to 1.5
million employed directly and another 10 million that are employed
indirectly. It remains one of the largest employers of workers in India. It
is estimated that almost 50% of the workers are women. The majority of the
workers work as wage labourers on the plantations, also known as estates;
there are also farmers who produce tea leaves on small pieces of land. The
majority of tea estates are in the northeast of India. Tea plantations
inherently have been exploitative right from their inception in the colonial
times. Like other plantations cultivating rubber, sugar, etc. they were
created to extract the maximum from the workers, as the part of the colonial
economy. The situation has not changed even after more than 60 years of
Indian independence. The majority of workers working on the plantations in
the northeast are third or fourth generation migrants that were brought by
the British from the central part of India, and the majority of them are
either lower caste or tribal peoples belonging to the lowest social strata.
Workers have always lived inside the plantations and housing has been used
as an effective means of enslavement of generations of workers by the
plantation owners. The wages they receive are among the lowest in the world,
lower than Kenya and Sri Lanka, at about US$1 – 1.5 a day, this in spite
of the fact that the industry is global in nature and has quite capital-
intensive operations. The industry has continued to maintain a feudal/semi-
feudal structure in its pre-marketing production phase so as to maximize its
profits.
Tea pluckers, who are almost exclusively women, work six days a week from 8
a.m. until 4 p.m. They have an hour for lunch which they bring with them, or
to go home to eat, if working in a nearby tea field. Men mainly work as
field supervisors, carry out weeding and spraying, or work in the tea
factory. Tea workers’ wages are set by tripartite negotiations between the
government, employer associations, and trade unions.
Their social status has ensured that their plight has been continuously
ignored for generations. These workers have very low literacy rates and non-
availability of any other livelihood in the region ensures that the children
of the plantation workers are left with no other option than to work on the
plantations under abysmal conditions. There is no escape from the vicious
circle of the highest level of exploitation. The plantation workers also do
not enjoy even basic amenities like safe drinking water, and often workers
suffer from diarrhoea, cholera and other waterborne diseases. Malaria and
tuberculosis are also rampant. The infant mortality rate is much higher than
the national average. It is estimated that only one percent of the workers
is active after attaining the age of 60.
The tea plantation workers in India are covered by the Plantation Labour Act
(PLA), 1951, which regulates the working and living conditions of these
workers. As well as prescribing standards for housing, healthcare and
education, the PLA regulates working conditions including maximum working
hours, overtime payments, child labour, paid leave, and sickness and
maternity benefits.
However, it seems that even though the act has been there for more than 50
years, the majority of workers are deprived of the basic minimal necessities
in their lives. Their wages have not seen any real increase for so many
years. Women who are a major workforce in the industry continue to face
increased discrimination. Plucking the leaves from the plants is a very hard
and tiring job. The women have been often denied the maternity and related
benefits they should have under the Plantation Act. For a long time their
wages were much lower than their male counterparts.
Ironically, the tea industry is considered one of the most organized
industry in India, with the first union being recognised by the industry as
early as 1948. There are more than 50 recognized unions in West Bengal alone
. However, the industry associations have been denying the benefits that
workers should receive under the Plantation Labour Act. Most of the workers
have been classified as unskilled workers and are paid daily wages and the
majority do not receive any wages for Sunday.
Crisis, Closure of the Estates and Starvation Deaths
As if the conditions of the plantation workers were not bad enough, the late
1990s saw brewing of one of the worst crises in the Indian tea industry.
Due to many reasons, the auction price of the tea saw steady decline.
According to World Bank the tea prices fell by estimated 44% in real terms
from 1970s to 1992. In India, the crisis is also attributed to the reason
that all the profits from the tea estates were siphoned off and there was
never any real reinvestment in improving quality. All the factors combined
led to a major crisis in the Indian tea industry, which responded by closing
the tea gardens and the first of the closures began in late 1990s in West
Bengal.
Industry and plantation owners have often blamed rising labour costs,
decline of market and even trade union activism for the crisis. Whatever the
reason, the spate of closures that started in late 1990s and continued in
the 2000s caused havoc on the lives of the workers. With no other livelihood
and no land to grow food, thousands of workers faced hunger and starvation.
Worker and his child, facing starvation
Tea company shows deep concern about nutrient deficiency symptoms in tea
leaves, more than in its workers
By 2007 media from India and all round the world started reporting about the
starvation deaths and the plight of the workers. A detailed study about the
impact of crisis on Bengal released by the India’s premier university, the
Jawaharlal Nehru University (JNU), depicts that more than one million
workers lost their jobs in West Bengal alone and found that more than 1,600
persons had died in the region due to starvation and other related diseases
in the region since the closure of the tea gardens. As per the study the
first tea factory at Dooars tea garden was closed down in 2000. In the next
two years, 13 more tea gardens were closed, affecting more than three
million people in the region.
‘So many deaths in one period from chronic malnutrition has not been seen
in any other organized sector before,’ Anuradha Talwar, of West Bengal
Network for Right to Food and Work, told Reuters after conducting an
investigation into the deaths in West Bengal state. The network also found
workers were eating wild grass, leaves and even rats to survive.
Operative Management Committee (OMC) in the Closed Tea Gardens
Some of the ‘officially closed’ tea gardens are run on an ad hoc basis by
Operative Management Committees which is formed by the trade unions and the
local government officials. Though a noble idea, OMC is facing lots of
problems and practical issues starting from the lack of expertise to run the
tea estates. The effective wages earned by the workers are much lower than
the basic minimum wages and as reported by Nagrik Manch in its recent survey
in February 2010 workers can earn between 35 to 45 rupees a day. Though it
is better than having no work and income, it cannot be the final solution as
workers are also not getting other benefits as stipulated under the PLA.
Workers’ Struggle -
Ever since the closure of the tea estates, workers and their organizations
have been engaged in a struggle of epic proportions against the owners of
the tea gardens, government and the multinational brands.
In the year 2001, the People’s Union of Civil Liberties (Rajasthan) filed a
case in the Supreme Court of India (Writ Petition 196/2001). It sought the
court’s intervention in a situation, where, on the one hand, India had
overflowing stocks of food grains, while on the other hand, people were
suffering from chronic hunger, with reports of starvation deaths in the
country. The Supreme Court gave interim orders on the steps that the
Government must take to prevent such situations of hunger and starvation. In
the process, the Right to Food and in a more limited way, the Right to Work
, has become the statutory right of the people of India.
Paschim Banga Khet Majoor Samity (PBKMS), an agriculture workers union
affiliated to the International Union of Food, Agriculture, Hotel,
Restaurant, Catering, Tobacco, Plantation and Allied Workers’ Associations
(IUF), has therefore been actively organizing movements to see that the
Supreme Court’s orders are actually implemented on the ground. PBKMS is
also a member of the West Bengal Network on the Right to Food and Work.
Anuradha Talwar, President of PBKMS, was appointed as the West Bengal
Advisor to the Commissioners of the Supreme Court in this particular court
case. As the study by the West Bengal Network on the Right to Food and Work
found starvation and hunger in the closed tea gardens, there were cases of
stripping the plantations of their assets before the management fled
secretly. Employers had not deposited even the workers’ dues with the
Provident Fund Commissioner, sometimes from 1997 onwards, let alone their
own contributions. Large arrears in revenue payment to the Government were
also detected. Supreme Court in response acknowledged that the report ‘
reveals an alarming state of affairs.’ It asked the State of West Bengal to
respond to the report and to, ‘take such action as it may consider
appropriate having regard to the various aspects and incidents of
malnutrition and other problems highlighted in the report.’ Government of
West Bengal denied any starvation deaths and took some actions in terms of
providing relief to the workers. However, according to the IUF even after
nine years of the Supreme Court instructions, workers continue to suffer
even as recent as August-September 2009, when over 100 workers were
hospitalized in North Bengal as their bodies were too ‘weak’ to tolerate
the unsafe drinking water they were provided with.
Stolen Wages and struggle of IUF and its affiliates
In the study of 2005 by the IUF and the PBKMS it was found that workers
have been generally denied their rights under the PLA. However, most
revealing finding was a figure of 370 million rupees that has been pending
as outstanding wages, salaries, provident fund (P.F.), gratuity etc. of
workers and employees in 18 gardens. IUF estimates that more than a million
tea workers in India have been suffering because of the failure of employers
to pay these wages allowances under the PLA. IUF also estimates that the
amount owed to tea workers in India is well over 1.6 billion rupees. In
such a situation the IUF in 2008 decided that it would support the filing of
writ petition before the Honorable Supreme Court against the defaulting
owners and the governments, who were supposed to look after the proper
implementation of the PLA. The Human Rights Law Network (HRLN), based in
Delhi agreed to file the petition on behalf of IUF, the Paschim Banga Khet
Majur Samiti (PBKMS), The Estates Staffs’ Union of South India (ESUSI), the
Indian National Plantation Workers Federation (INTUC) and the Nilgiri
District Estate Workers’ Union (NDEWU). The petition includes a proposal of
utilizing Central Government’s Special Purpose Tea Fund (SPTF) for
clearing the legitimate dues of the workers and employees as a top priority
and for the development of the tea industry as a whole, instead of doling
out the fund among the owners, who may again merely misuse and divert it.
The supposedly 'threatening' posters by the Nowera Nuddy Workers Action
Committee, which state: 'Withdraw the suspension of the 8 workers
immediately', 'Give Arti Oraon compensation immediately' and 'Pay all wages
and rations to workers for the period of the lock out'.
IUF Campaign against the Tata’s Collective Punishment of Tea workers in
India
Workers at the Tata Tea controlled Nowera Nuddy plantation in West Bengal
in India have been threatened with collective punishment and starvation,
this time directly by the general manager of the garden, Ipsit Gohain. Tata
Tea, part of the transnational Tata conglomerate who control the Nowera
Nuddy garden through ownership of Amalgamated Plantations.
The entire workforce at the garden was twice locked out and endured a total
of almost four months without wages and rations in 2009. This was company’s
response to a workers’ protest following the gross mistreatment of
pregnant tea worker Arti Oraon, who was denied maternity leave and forced to
work while 8 months pregnant.
Since the garden was reopened in mid-December 2009, the Nowera Nuddy Workers
’ Action Committee, which formed in November 2009 to protect workers rights
and enjoys majority support amongst the garden’s workers, has continued to
campaign for the basic demands it first elaborated during the lock out.
These demands include: the withdrawal of the suspension of 8 workers who
have been victimized for their activism, the payment of wages and rations to
workers for the period of the second lockout, compensation and an apology
to Arti Oraon and an agreement on maternity and sick leave.
On 15 February two members of the Workers’ Action Committee (one a
suspended worker) were called to the General Manager’s office. During the
meeting the General Manager told the workers: ‘if you continue this type of
movement, I will declare a lockout and it will not be like last time. It
will be two, three…five years. Because I am feeling insecure due to your
activities.’
Conclusion
There is no doubt that tea workers in India are facing one of the worst
form of exploitation in the modern times, especially in Industry which is
milking billions of dollars in profits. It is also evident from the
financial reports of the Tea brands like Tata tea that are published online.
In 2008 Tata Tea paid its top manager Percy T. Siganporia earns a yearly
salary that includes benefits and bonus in the tune of US$ two to six
million which is easily 1,000 times more than the daily meager earnings of
the tea workers. Tea brands that control the majority of the packaged tea
market are benefiting hugely by the present work organization which ensures
maximum profits for them. However, workers are not going to take this
injustice for long and this extreme form of exploitation is already giving
rise to many ‘extreme’ struggles like Maoist struggle in many parts of
India, where workers and communities are left with no other option as there
is no difference between living and dying. Workers are always living on the
edge and any loss of wages means imminent starvation. Government and
industry needs to do more than keep on sustaining this tea industry that is
based on modern slavery.
Endnotes
1. India’s malnourished tea workers , October 2 2007, BBC, can be
accessed at http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/7022794.stm
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 在印度每年光穆斯林和印度教徒之间的冲突就相互虐杀数以万计，只不过印度是民主国
: 家，西方媒体一般避免报道这些阴暗面
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 56 ABC NEWS 报道。
Indian Tea Pickers Risk Death for a Dollar a Day
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By KAREN RUSSO (@KKRusso)
JORHAT, India, Jan. 2, 2008
Standing barefoot in her muddy front yard with one grandchild on her hip and
two others trailing close behind her, Bihumoni Jatap said she works on a
nearby tea plantation for about $1 a day.
With that money, she provides for nine members of her family. Jatap's
daughter used to contribute to the family income, but she died, along with
200 others over the past several months from what is believed to be
contaminated drinking water on many of the region's tea estates. Sixty
percent of India's tea comes from the tea plantations in this remote far
eastern state.
In October, the minister of health in Assam made the unusual move of
threatening to bring homicide charges against the tea plantation owners for
killing their workers with contaminated water.
"With our existing tea plantation act, it is the duty of the tea garden
owners to [provide drinking water], but because their business is not good,
they stopped those sanitations with drinking water so cholera and diarrhea
came in a big way," said Himanta Sarma, health minister of Assam.
But the tea plantation owners say that it is the government's responsibility
to address any issues.
"They are not dying from the drinking water we provide," said Prodip
Bordoloi, manager of the Cinnamara Tea Estate. "This is a government concern
."
Tea laborers spend up to 12 hours, six days a week picking — or "plucking"
— the tea leaves, maintaining the tea bushes or working in the tea-
processing plants for about 50 rupees. The low wages are minimally offset by
the Tea Plantation Act, which states that plantations must provide cheap
food, shelter and water for registered workers and their immediate
dependents.
But a short walk through two villages near one of the tea estates revealed
barely standing shacks full of holes, and one source of drinking water,
which was actually a pond covered in lily pads and weeds.
"I know that we will get sick from this water," said Bisamoni Kumar, through
an interpreter. "But there is no where else to get it."
In an area this poor, each income contribution — no matter how small — is
essential to the survival of the family. For Sninath Tanta, the death of his
16- and 18-year-old daughters from the drinking water is sad, but even
worse, he said, is that their lost wages put his own life at risk. His
daughters' deaths mean that he is now dependent solely upon the income of
his rickshaw-pulling son. Tanta can no longer support himself because his
right knee is broken from years of plantation work.
Lakhi Tanti's wife worked on tea plantations for 30 years. Like five others
in their village of 100, she died after suffering from diarrhea and vomiting
. Tanti lives across from the well that he believes supplied the water that
killed his wife. When asked why he still takes his water from the same well,
he said there is no where else to get water.
"My wife died, so I will [likely] get sick, too," he said.
The state representative for Unicef in Assam, Jeroo Master, said that most
of these deaths stem from acute diarrhea disease, but that a few isolated
cases were from cholera. Master said there have been no reported deaths from
the water since early November, but even late last month at least one woman
in the village of Purna showed the same symptoms as the others who died in
her village
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 在印度每年光穆斯林和印度教徒之间的冲突就相互虐杀数以万计，只不过印度是民主国
: 家，西方媒体一般避免报道这些阴暗面
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 57 少来了，那两个是独立事件，彼此根本没有联系，时间上和原因上都不是此次暴动的原
因。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 刚才看了，那也是真事儿。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 58 印度的民主有好多垃圾 ！ 这个不假，但是这里某些人的目的是嘲讽中国人对民主的希
望，他们说的就是 ：“看看那个印度，民主了不还有这些问题，我们可不能民主啊，
民主是毒蛇猛兽啊 ！！”
我刚才就说了： 你没有看到视频里的印度人都穿裤子吗 ？ 你怎么不总结人穿裤子还
会被打被杀，人穿裤子还会杀人打人，从此你觉得穿裤子多余，没有用，你们全家光腚
出门蛮好。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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c****i
发帖数: 688 | 59 他们下回把这个政府选下去就可以了。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 印度的民主有好多垃圾 ！ 这个不假，但是这里某些人的目的是嘲讽中国人对民主的希
: 望，他们说的就是 ：“看看那个印度，民主了不还有这些问题，我们可不能民主啊，
: 民主是毒蛇猛兽啊 ！！”
: 我刚才就说了： 你没有看到视频里的印度人都穿裤子吗 ？ 你怎么不总结人穿裤子还
: 会被打被杀，人穿裤子还会杀人打人，从此你觉得穿裤子多余，没有用，你们全家光腚
: 出门蛮好。
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H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 60 媒体的倾向性和导向性还是很明显的
几年前伊战正打得热闹的时候，同组一美国小伙义愤填膺说萨大母逊尼派政权对什叶派
的压迫，萨大母是中东的和平稳定正义的威胁云云，我说你说的我全同意，同时你知不
知道以色列对巴勒斯坦人的压迫甚至屠杀（碰巧那时我认识另一美国小伙母亲是巴勒斯
坦人），那小伙吱唔半天大概说“那是很遥远的地方发生的跟我们不相关的事情，为什
么我们要关心？”我接着问他知不知道以色列离伊拉克多远，算不算中东，他就无法继
续engage in conversation了
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 人家报道了，你没有看。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 61 我没有说有联系，我只是说那个也是真事。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 少来了，那两个是独立事件，彼此根本没有联系，时间上和原因上都不是此次暴动的原
: 因。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 62 少来这一套。
这个视频里最大的问题是那些警察。一个民主法制健全的国家，警察没有这样的。如果
国家制定了一堆民主法制的法律，但是无法实施，那么你认为这个国家“民主”了吗，
“法制”了吗 ？
地球上一百多个民主国家，实际上是绝大多数国家都有民主制度，有几个国家的警察象
这个视频里的印度警察这样执法的 ？
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 他们下回把这个政府选下去就可以了。
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c****h
发帖数: 4968 | 63 是的，所以说美国人同样被洗脑。。中国人知道有被ccav洗脑的危险，所以大都怀着看
看别人甚至外国人怎么说的想法。可美国人却万全被媒体摆弄，尤其涉及到犹太人，西
藏一类的议题。
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 媒体的倾向性和导向性还是很明显的
: 几年前伊战正打得热闹的时候，同组一美国小伙义愤填膺说萨大母逊尼派政权对什叶派
: 的压迫，萨大母是中东的和平稳定正义的威胁云云，我说你说的我全同意，同时你知不
: 知道以色列对巴勒斯坦人的压迫甚至屠杀（碰巧那时我认识另一美国小伙母亲是巴勒斯
: 坦人），那小伙吱唔半天大概说“那是很遥远的地方发生的跟我们不相关的事情，为什
: 么我们要关心？”我接着问他知不知道以色列离伊拉克多远，算不算中东，他就无法继
: 续engage in conversation了
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 64 结论：给民主丢脸的民主都是假民主。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 少来这一套。
: 这个视频里最大的问题是那些警察。一个民主法制健全的国家，警察没有这样的。如果
: 国家制定了一堆民主法制的法律，但是无法实施，那么你认为这个国家“民主”了吗，
: “法制”了吗 ？
: 地球上一百多个民主国家，实际上是绝大多数国家都有民主制度，有几个国家的警察象
: 这个视频里的印度警察这样执法的 ？
|
w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 65 美国人对犹太人和以色利的看法正在改变中，你知道奥巴马要提名的国防部长对这个问
题有过什么言论吗 ？ 即使是政治正确上，现在美国也越来越多把以色列定位成重要的
盟友，而不再有那么高的道义责任，美国国内批评以色列政府内外政策的言论越来越多
，这个包括以色列在中东问题上的过分强硬，还有以色列在国内的宗教垄断。
巴勒斯坦这次在联合国得到绝大多数国家，包括许多西方国家的支持，说明了以色列在
西方失去支持的趋势。
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 是的，所以说美国人同样被洗脑。。中国人知道有被ccav洗脑的危险，所以大都怀着看
: 看别人甚至外国人怎么说的想法。可美国人却万全被媒体摆弄，尤其涉及到犹太人，西
: 藏一类的议题。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 66 在民主政治的重要环节上有缺失的，当然不是什么完全的民主制度。
既然这里都在看印度实现了民主，怎么有这个问题， 那个问题，那么我们就要细细看
看他们的民主到底“实现”了没有 ？ 别忘了北朝鲜的名称也是“民主主义共和国”。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 结论：给民主丢脸的民主都是假民主。
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N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 67 你说有屁用
印度是民主大国是整个国际社会都公认的
。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 在民主政治的重要环节上有缺失的，当然不是什么完全的民主制度。
: 既然这里都在看印度实现了民主，怎么有这个问题， 那个问题，那么我们就要细细看
: 看他们的民主到底“实现”了没有 ？ 别忘了北朝鲜的名称也是“民主主义共和国”。
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w***u
发帖数: 17713 | 68 我靠，这评论是真的吗？连尼泊尔人没有种姓的外国佬都可以随意欺负印度低种姓的。
hobgoblin1216 5 months ago
Gorkhas are Nepalese who are foreigners living in India due to a treaty&#
65279; with Nepal, whereas Adivasis are Indians from Jharkhand, a state in
India. Don't mix the two. In fact, from this video people will know the true
racist nature of mongoloid people. |
l**1
发帖数: 1875 | 69 india is a trashy country.
it does not mean china is a good country.
china is also a trashy country. |
w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 70 这里面是两个问题：
第一，视频中这样的情况是印度进行民主改革之后才有的，还是说在他们过去也是如此
；民主前后，什么时期这类事件更加严重 ？
第二，说印度是民主的大国，有很多标准，也许说的是它的领导人产生和多党政治，但
是印度的民主到底搞得水平如何，仍然可以评判。并不是说一个国家民主了，它的民主
制度就健全了，也不是说一个国家民主了，这个国家所有问题都被民主解决了。
你在公司上班吗 ？ 如果是，那么我问你：一个有质量管理的公司，和一个没有质量
管理的公司，你倾向于相信哪一个 ？ 但是一个有质量管理的公司，其中一个部门负责
监督质量的一个工程师，有故意偷懒，该检查的产品不检查，随手画勾，你说这个公司
质量管理的水平如何 ？
就说这个茶园打人杀人的事情，因为有言论自由，所以连你我都知道了，都在这里骂；
那么如果独裁政治，没收一切摄像，把记者也抓起来，你能知道印度有这个事情发生吗
？ 下次你想对某个印度政客挖苦批评一下印度的民主，你拿得出什么证据吗 ？
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 你说有屁用
: 印度是民主大国是整个国际社会都公认的
:
: 。
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s********0
发帖数: 4152 | 71 不许捅人家菊花...
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 这里面是两个问题：
: 第一，视频中这样的情况是印度进行民主改革之后才有的，还是说在他们过去也是如此
: ；民主前后，什么时期这类事件更加严重 ？
: 第二，说印度是民主的大国，有很多标准，也许说的是它的领导人产生和多党政治，但
: 是印度的民主到底搞得水平如何，仍然可以评判。并不是说一个国家民主了，它的民主
: 制度就健全了，也不是说一个国家民主了，这个国家所有问题都被民主解决了。
: 你在公司上班吗 ？ 如果是，那么我问你：一个有质量管理的公司，和一个没有质量
: 管理的公司，你倾向于相信哪一个 ？ 但是一个有质量管理的公司，其中一个部门负责
: 监督质量的一个工程师，有故意偷懒，该检查的产品不检查，随手画勾，你说这个公司
: 质量管理的水平如何 ？
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 72 这篇 Bloomberg 网站的议论文章，就对印度的民主提出批评，而且很有意思的是，作
者尖锐地用习近平的新政和印度相比，说印度的民选政府还不如中国非民选的领导层。
文章题目就说印度的民主是个空壳子。
India’s Empty Democracy Can’t Protect Its People
By Pankaj Mishra Jan 13, 2013 6:30 PM ET
Elections make for responsive and accountable governments, or so goes the
truism. But can they also achieve the opposite -- that is, encourage
complacency, even callousness, among elected representatives?
Last month’s headlines from India and China present a disquieting contrast
between elected and unelected governments for anyone committed to democratic
politics.
In Beijing, China’s new Communist Party general secretary, Xi Jinping, has
begun a huge crackdown on corruption, official pomp and ceremony, and “
empty talk” -- substanceless speeches.
According to the estimable China-watcher Melinda Liu, “If the changes take
hold, they could have far-reaching implications both at home and abroad.
Many Chinese seem heartened, even inspired, by Xi’s down-to-earth style.”
Many Indians, on the other hand, are incensed with their sequestered
governing class. Confronted last month with public outrage over the horrific
assault on a young woman in New Delhi, it alternated abysmally between
paralysis and insensitivity.
Having initially failed to respond, Prime Minister Manmohan Singh muttered
some perfunctory expressions of governmental resolve in his
characteristically faint tone; then, turning to his handlers while the
television cameras were still rolling, he asked, “Theek hai?” Hindi for “
Is that all right?”
India’s Home Minister Sushil Kumar Shinde said he was not obliged to meet
student protesters braving the police’s water cannons and truncheons near
the Indian parliament in New Delhi. After all, as he put it, “Tomorrow
Maoists will come here to demonstrate with weapons.”
【在 s********0 的大作中提到】
: 不许捅人家菊花...
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d*******g
发帖数: 8992 | 73 为什么这些人一点都不反抗呢？
宗教真是洗脑的好工具！ |
c****i
发帖数: 688 | 74 如果选举都不能推翻一个无能的政府，那么要选举有什么用呢。
我没来哪套就是问问。
世界上那么多民主国家，有象印度这么有效的警察系统的，不多。
说实话，印度是民主国家里做得不错的。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 少来这一套。
: 这个视频里最大的问题是那些警察。一个民主法制健全的国家，警察没有这样的。如果
: 国家制定了一堆民主法制的法律，但是无法实施，那么你认为这个国家“民主”了吗，
: “法制”了吗 ？
: 地球上一百多个民主国家，实际上是绝大多数国家都有民主制度，有几个国家的警察象
: 这个视频里的印度警察这样执法的 ？
|
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 75 你说这么多干啥？
明明是前面否认印度是民主国家，现在看到我说国际社会承认了，你又转进了。呵呵
至于民主跟这些事情有啥关系，不是我目前想讨论的问题。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 这里面是两个问题：
: 第一，视频中这样的情况是印度进行民主改革之后才有的，还是说在他们过去也是如此
: ；民主前后，什么时期这类事件更加严重 ？
: 第二，说印度是民主的大国，有很多标准，也许说的是它的领导人产生和多党政治，但
: 是印度的民主到底搞得水平如何，仍然可以评判。并不是说一个国家民主了，它的民主
: 制度就健全了，也不是说一个国家民主了，这个国家所有问题都被民主解决了。
: 你在公司上班吗 ？ 如果是，那么我问你：一个有质量管理的公司，和一个没有质量
: 管理的公司，你倾向于相信哪一个 ？ 但是一个有质量管理的公司，其中一个部门负责
: 监督质量的一个工程师，有故意偷懒，该检查的产品不检查，随手画勾，你说这个公司
: 质量管理的水平如何 ？
|
T*****y
发帖数: 18592 | 76 这跟民主有关吗？
也可以说印度如果不民主
更糟糕啊
反正都是空对空
还不是想怎么扯就怎么扯
把这事儿跟民主不民主扯到一起去的
都是什么脑子啊 |
s********0
发帖数: 4152 | 77 脑残多呗.连民主大本营米帝都会有洛杉矶大骚乱,所以民主真不是一个好东西。
这就是环球屎报的2B逻辑...版上无数猪脑的菊花。
【在 T*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这跟民主有关吗？
: 也可以说印度如果不民主
: 更糟糕啊
: 反正都是空对空
: 还不是想怎么扯就怎么扯
: 把这事儿跟民主不民主扯到一起去的
: 都是什么脑子啊
|
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 78 当然有关，因为本版很多脑残以及国内公知的论调是体制解决一切
【在 T*****y 的大作中提到】
: 这跟民主有关吗？
: 也可以说印度如果不民主
: 更糟糕啊
: 反正都是空对空
: 还不是想怎么扯就怎么扯
: 把这事儿跟民主不民主扯到一起去的
: 都是什么脑子啊
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g******n
发帖数: 53185 | 79 这跟民主没什么关系，是印度这个民族太野蛮原始。如果印度是个独裁国家，肯定更腐
败堕落
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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w******i
发帖数: 736 | 80 麻烦能把“民主”、或者准确的说“西式民主”所解决的问题总结出一个列表么？谢谢。
【在 s********0 的大作中提到】
: 脑残多呗.连民主大本营米帝都会有洛杉矶大骚乱,所以民主真不是一个好东西。
: 这就是环球屎报的2B逻辑...版上无数猪脑的菊花。
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I******a
发帖数: 3812 | 81 印度两千多民族，你指的是其中哪一个？
【在 g******n 的大作中提到】
: 这跟民主没什么关系，是印度这个民族太野蛮原始。如果印度是个独裁国家，肯定更腐
: 败堕落
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m*******e
发帖数: 6358 | 82 作者是印度公知，
。
contrast
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 这篇 Bloomberg 网站的议论文章，就对印度的民主提出批评，而且很有意思的是，作
: 者尖锐地用习近平的新政和印度相比，说印度的民选政府还不如中国非民选的领导层。
: 文章题目就说印度的民主是个空壳子。
:
: India’s Empty Democracy Can’t Protect Its People
: By Pankaj Mishra Jan 13, 2013 6:30 PM ET
: Elections make for responsive and accountable governments, or so goes the
: truism. But can they also achieve the opposite -- that is, encourage
: complacency, even callousness, among elected representatives?
: Last month’s headlines from India and China present a disquieting contrast
|
T*****y
发帖数: 18592 | 83 上班族
【在 I******a 的大作中提到】
: 印度两千多民族，你指的是其中哪一个？
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 84 给我一个理由，说说为什么这样看着人被打不管的警察属于一个有效的警察系统。
给我说一个例子，还有哪一个国家有这么个例子，警察看着人在街上被打死不管 ？
“说实话” ？ 您有当印度警察的经历 ？
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 如果选举都不能推翻一个无能的政府，那么要选举有什么用呢。
: 我没来哪套就是问问。
: 世界上那么多民主国家，有象印度这么有效的警察系统的，不多。
: 说实话，印度是民主国家里做得不错的。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 85 选举就是不让任何人独裁专制，属于公民政治权力范畴，但是每个国家都有些棘手的问
题，谁上台都不一定容易解决。比如北京的空气污染，和共产党独裁没有关系，所以即
使换个党上来，也不一定就能马上让北京干净了。
就好比你爸打你妈，很不好，大家都说不好，于是你爸就不再打你妈了，大家都说你们
家好了，文明了。可是你说你爸不打你妈之后，家里的饭菜还是不好吃, 你对邻居说你
爸停止打你妈，并没有带来你们家更好的饭菜，所以你不觉得你爸停止打你妈有什么用
处。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 如果选举都不能推翻一个无能的政府，那么要选举有什么用呢。
: 我没来哪套就是问问。
: 世界上那么多民主国家，有象印度这么有效的警察系统的，不多。
: 说实话，印度是民主国家里做得不错的。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 86 我从来都是说印度这个国家的民主不完善，或者有垃圾的地方，这个不等于说印度就总
体上说不属于民主国家。 就好比我说你是男人，但是你也许会做些不够爷们儿的事情
，和一个男人的特质不符合，但是你总体上说，还属于男人。
【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 你说这么多干啥？
: 明明是前面否认印度是民主国家，现在看到我说国际社会承认了，你又转进了。呵呵
: 至于民主跟这些事情有啥关系，不是我目前想讨论的问题。
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k*******r
发帖数: 16963 | 87 民主的愤怒不是吹的。有人贴叙利亚反抗“独裁”自由军的杰作吗？把忠于政府的官员
和平民从高楼上一个个活活仍下摔死那个视频。 |
w******i
发帖数: 736 | 88 "比如北京的空气污染，和共产党独裁没有关系，所以即使换个党上来，也不一定就能
马上让北京干净了。"
—— 好奇地问一句，把这句中的“空气污染”换成“贪污腐败”行不？
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 选举就是不让任何人独裁专制，属于公民政治权力范畴，但是每个国家都有些棘手的问
: 题，谁上台都不一定容易解决。比如北京的空气污染，和共产党独裁没有关系，所以即
: 使换个党上来，也不一定就能马上让北京干净了。
: 就好比你爸打你妈，很不好，大家都说不好，于是你爸就不再打你妈了，大家都说你们
: 家好了，文明了。可是你说你爸不打你妈之后，家里的饭菜还是不好吃, 你对邻居说你
: 爸停止打你妈，并没有带来你们家更好的饭菜，所以你不觉得你爸停止打你妈有什么用
: 处。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 89 民主能解决一个国家不民主，专制独裁的问题，也就是说一个国家的公民里，只有一部
分人可以占据国家的领导权力，其他凡是和这个统治者或者他的集团政见不同的人的意
见被压制，反抗者甚至被惩罚甚至消灭肉身。此外这个统治者的家族，或者这个集团内
的公民，享有这个国家其他公民没有的特权，这种特权常常超越国家的法律。国家其他
公民，只有臣服统治者，并且积极加入和靠拢统治集团，才能获得自身最大收益。
民主说准确一点，只能解决上面这个独裁专制问题。不能保证解决其它问题。如果你对
上面这些东西不关心，没有兴趣，觉得很正常，可以接受。那么你不需要民主。
一个独裁的政府，完全可以把国家建设强大，也可能让人民富裕。唐太宗和康熙爷的王
朝世界老大，而卡扎非的利比亚也是中等发达国家。
谢。
【在 w******i 的大作中提到】
: 麻烦能把“民主”、或者准确的说“西式民主”所解决的问题总结出一个列表么？谢谢。
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t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 90 这个好。如果天朝城管能有这魄力，何至于维维小偷满街跑。
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 2007年，还有更恶心的，我没贴而已。
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JemH2_CIekY
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t**********0
发帖数: 1700 | 91 充分说明中国必须要有民主
【在 c****h 的大作中提到】
: 中国只要有几个人拿茉莉花上街，西方媒体就跟打了鸡血一样报道。可是对阿三这样的
: 却只字不提。可见其虚伪。
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 92 我觉得有可能，比如墨西哥；我不认为民主一定可以制止腐败，尽管我相信民主可以消
弱腐败。
【在 w******i 的大作中提到】
: "比如北京的空气污染，和共产党独裁没有关系，所以即使换个党上来，也不一定就能
: 马上让北京干净了。"
: —— 好奇地问一句，把这句中的“空气污染”换成“贪污腐败”行不？
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h*********n
发帖数: 11319 | 93 印度老将？
magdalene512 10 hours ago
This video literally demonstrates that India is a democratic country
, in that ordinary people can upload this type of video to Internet.
Reply · 4
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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P****i
发帖数: 12972 | 94 楼上有人说过了
country
【在 h*********n 的大作中提到】
: 印度老将？
: magdalene512 10 hours ago
: This video literally demonstrates that India is a democratic country
: , in that ordinary people can upload this type of video to Internet.
: Reply · 4
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v***0
发帖数: 5096 | 95 印度是个神气的国度
【在 c****i 的大作中提到】
: 皮肤稍白的印度人击杀皮肤较黑的印度人，起因是劳资纠纷，这些南部来的
: 采茶者被当街打死很多，有个三哥专门用木棒击碎倒地人的膝盖。三哥警察
: 袖手旁观，和没事人一样
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SilFqTvtzHc
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s*******y
发帖数: 572 | 96 你醒醒啊。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得有可能，比如墨西哥；我不认为民主一定可以制止腐败，尽管我相信民主可以消
: 弱腐败。
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s*******y
发帖数: 572 | 97 就我接触过的印度人来说：
南部的黑人其实还不错，人老实，淳朴，对中国人也挺友好。
北部的棕人都很狡猾，当然也比南部黑人聪明。对中国人比较不友好。 |
w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 98 我觉得我说得已经很圆滑了，我很清醒。我认为一个民主的机制对腐败多了些监督和遏
制，但是如果一个社会腐败深重，民主后也不敢保证清除腐败。
你觉得我哪里说错了呢 ？
【在 s*******y 的大作中提到】
: 你醒醒啊。
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H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 99 40年前在中国大陆，某人说“有了毛泽东思想就会战无不胜，那些没有被毛泽东思想照
耀的地方真 TMD miserable”有人质疑“没你说的那么神奇吧？”这人琢磨一下，“好
吧，也许不能战无不胜，但是依然能提升境界和战斗力吧？我说得已经很圆滑了，我很
清醒。。。”
我这里不谈毛泽东思想或民主的对与错，只是想说你把并不相关的事情揉在一起强行关
联，比如毛泽东思想和战无不胜，民主和清除腐败甚至只是监督遏制，这些东西要关联
起来，中间需要太多太多其他环节要素条件，以至于根本就没有任何显著意义上的相关性
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得我说得已经很圆滑了，我很清醒。我认为一个民主的机制对腐败多了些监督和遏
: 制，但是如果一个社会腐败深重，民主后也不敢保证清除腐败。
: 你觉得我哪里说错了呢 ？
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w********t
发帖数: 12853 | 100 朋友，不是狡辩，而是确实有关系；民主体制和专制体制对付腐败的方式不同，我认为
民主方式略胜一筹。这个我从来不怀疑，只是不敢说略胜一筹的民主体制是否就能清楚
一切形式一切程度的腐败。我的判断，肯定了有效，但是怀疑万能全效。
毛泽东思想确实能够提高境界，增加战斗力，但是毛泽东思想无法确保战无不胜。你这
个例子非常正确。中共的军队在革命年代，以毛泽东的一些军事理论，哲学思想为指导
和宣传，对红军，解放军的战斗力有极大的帮助，不能否认。
关性
【在 H*********S 的大作中提到】
: 40年前在中国大陆，某人说“有了毛泽东思想就会战无不胜，那些没有被毛泽东思想照
: 耀的地方真 TMD miserable”有人质疑“没你说的那么神奇吧？”这人琢磨一下，“好
: 吧，也许不能战无不胜，但是依然能提升境界和战斗力吧？我说得已经很圆滑了，我很
: 清醒。。。”
: 我这里不谈毛泽东思想或民主的对与错，只是想说你把并不相关的事情揉在一起强行关
: 联，比如毛泽东思想和战无不胜，民主和清除腐败甚至只是监督遏制，这些东西要关联
: 起来，中间需要太多太多其他环节要素条件，以至于根本就没有任何显著意义上的相关性
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h****a
发帖数: 3114 | 101 几个人落在一堆人手里，反抗死得更快。
一动不动躺地上的估计早就反抗过了。
【在 d*******g 的大作中提到】
: 为什么这些人一点都不反抗呢？
: 宗教真是洗脑的好工具！
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c******a
发帖数: 2516 | 102 大哥， 人家被搞了四百多年了， 远大于三百， 了解？
【在 l*******0 的大作中提到】
: 作为老将，我反复的说过多遍，民主不是没素质的人搞得了的。
: 刘晓波的三百年殖民地提高素质的话是有一定道理的。
: 至于印度人这种素质，三百年都不够。
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d*******g
发帖数: 8992 | 103 那就继续被绵羊吧
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 几个人落在一堆人手里，反抗死得更快。
: 一动不动躺地上的估计早就反抗过了。
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