l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 History 讨论区 】
发信人: ldy (我不是老大爷), 信区: History
标 题: 我在23andme上测出来怎么有0.2%的European祖先？？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 5 13:31:52 2013, 美东)
我老婆也测了，她有0.1%的european，我是0.2%
请问这个现象普遍吗？亚洲人都有0.x%的european基因？ |
A****s
发帖数: 932 | |
s*****r
发帖数: 11545 | 3 Each European might have x% of Asian genes too.
European and Asian separated not long ago. |
e*********0
发帖数: 592 | 4 这不是把自己的DNA给出去了吗? 要是有人要你的指纹,也给吗?
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 【 以下文字转载自 History 讨论区 】
: 发信人: ldy (我不是老大爷), 信区: History
: 标 题: 我在23andme上测出来怎么有0.2%的European祖先？？
: 发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Mon Aug 5 13:31:52 2013, 美东)
: 我老婆也测了，她有0.1%的european，我是0.2%
: 请问这个现象普遍吗？亚洲人都有0.x%的european基因？
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 5 这有啥关系
【在 e*********0 的大作中提到】
: 这不是把自己的DNA给出去了吗? 要是有人要你的指纹,也给吗?
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 6 23andme is not very good for testing ancestry.
This kind of percentage of European/Asian/whatever results are useless
bullshit. It only serves to fool people into thinking all people are the
same. It's liberal brain-washing at work.
You can find you precise ancestry information by other (more expensive)
services. From those, you will know your precise Y-DNA ancestry, which is
what most men really care about.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 这有啥关系
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 7 where can I found those services? Money is not a problem.
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: 23andme is not very good for testing ancestry.
: This kind of percentage of European/Asian/whatever results are useless
: bullshit. It only serves to fool people into thinking all people are the
: same. It's liberal brain-washing at work.
: You can find you precise ancestry information by other (more expensive)
: services. From those, you will know your precise Y-DNA ancestry, which is
: what most men really care about.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 8 These percentages are bullshit. What does it even mean genetically? In term
of genetics, there's no concept of European, Asian or whatever, there's only
R2, O3, etc.
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: Each European might have x% of Asian genes too.
: European and Asian separated not long ago.
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 9 23andme 也有这类信息啊。
我父系O3a3b1*
母系B4c1b
term
only
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: These percentages are bullshit. What does it even mean genetically? In term
: of genetics, there's no concept of European, Asian or whatever, there's only
: R2, O3, etc.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 10 If you want to do it in China, Fudan University can do it for a few thousand
Yuan.
If you want to do it in US, familytreedan.com, for up to a few hundreds
dollors.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: where can I found those services? Money is not a problem.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 11 Then you are a typical Han Chinese male. Nothing more, nothing less.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 23andme 也有这类信息啊。
: 我父系O3a3b1*
: 母系B4c1b
:
: term
: only
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 12 familytreeDNA是不是也就是找到这个信息？
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: Then you are a typical Han Chinese male. Nothing more, nothing less.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 13 Think about it, how can one say one piece of DNA is Asian vs. European? It
doesn't make any sense.
Whoever come up with these have political agenda.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: familytreeDNA是不是也就是找到这个信息？
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 14 什么叫one piece of DNA呢？23andme给了我一个8M的zip文件，里面有很多DNA数据
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: Think about it, how can one say one piece of DNA is Asian vs. European? It
: doesn't make any sense.
: Whoever come up with these have political agenda.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 15 They have a database, where you can find people have similar DNA as you.
They can also do deep clade analysis to pinpoint your precise location in
the currently known DNA tree.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: familytreeDNA是不是也就是找到这个信息？
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 16 How did they come up with the percentage of European? If you do not
understand it, how can you believe it?
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 什么叫one piece of DNA呢？23andme给了我一个8M的zip文件，里面有很多DNA数据
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 17 Giving your 8m file without explaining what they are?
What kind of data is in there?
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 什么叫one piece of DNA呢？23andme给了我一个8M的zip文件，里面有很多DNA数据
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z******o
发帖数: 3073 | 18 hungarians share more features with asians than other europeans, indicating
the fact their ancesters stemmed from far east, plus their putting surname
before the first officially, those guys look like our distant kin. |
l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 19 我只是想知道大部分中国人做23andme的结果里有没有european，如果没有，说明我和我
老婆的祖先有点怪。
即使23andme的算法不准，只要都是用同样的算法，就有比较性。。
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: How did they come up with the percentage of European? If you do not
: understand it, how can you believe it?
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 20 我没仔细看解释，当然不是随便的8M垃圾data
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: Giving your 8m file without explaining what they are?
: What kind of data is in there?
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G********0
发帖数: 104 | 21
Yes, it might be popular among all our Asians. First of all, you should make
out how they reached this conclusion, e.g., what kind of genetic marker
they have used.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 我没仔细看解释，当然不是随便的8M垃圾data
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 22 It's not the algorithm. It's the concept. The concept of DNA being certain
percentage of European/Asian/whatever is wrong and is politically motivated.
I have not seen any defendable explanations on what these are.
If you care about genetics, learn about them and read academic papers. Don't
let a wall street funded company to tell you that you have this percentage
of European/Asian. These companies got funded for reasons that you and me do
not know about.
和我
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 我只是想知道大部分中国人做23andme的结果里有没有european，如果没有，说明我和我
: 老婆的祖先有点怪。
: 即使23andme的算法不准，只要都是用同样的算法，就有比较性。。
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 23 Clearly, they didn't explain what this percentage of European comes about.
Otherwise, you won't be asking us.
The most plausible way this percentage comes about is to count the DNA
makers that are already labeled as being Eurpoean/Asian/Africa, etc. However
, labeling a maker as Eurpopean/Asian/whatever has no scientific basis and
is purely political.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 我没仔细看解释，当然不是随便的8M垃圾data
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 24 The answer is yes. I am sure everyone tested will have some percentage of
this and that, by the virtue of achieving the intended liberal political
agenda.
Don't worry. You are not abnormal. You are as pure a Han Chinese as it gets,
whatever you want that to mean.
和我
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 我只是想知道大部分中国人做23andme的结果里有没有european，如果没有，说明我和我
: 老婆的祖先有点怪。
: 即使23andme的算法不准，只要都是用同样的算法，就有比较性。。
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 25 actually，我在weibo上找到了几个也做了23andme的中国人，问了她们，结果似乎都没
有european的成分，0%
gets,
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: The answer is yes. I am sure everyone tested will have some percentage of
: this and that, by the virtue of achieving the intended liberal political
: agenda.
: Don't worry. You are not abnormal. You are as pure a Han Chinese as it gets,
: whatever you want that to mean.
:
: 和我
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 26 Men or women?
Men's ancestry is the most politically sensitive. Women's doesn't matter.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: actually，我在weibo上找到了几个也做了23andme的中国人，问了她们，结果似乎都没
: 有european的成分，0%
:
: gets,
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a******7
发帖数: 7936 | 27 LZ有x％瓦肯人的基因吧
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: actually，我在weibo上找到了几个也做了23andme的中国人，问了她们，结果似乎都没
: 有european的成分，0%
:
: gets,
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 28 When they say you have 0.2% of European, what does make you feel?
What does the percentage mean for you? What kind of imagination you get
about your ancestors. What if it's zero percentage of European? Would it
make you feel different? If you learned that one of your best friends has
zero percentage of European, what do you think about him? Do you feel they
are different from you, or you feel yourself to be a little different now,
etc.
These are the real political intent.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: actually，我在weibo上找到了几个也做了23andme的中国人，问了她们，结果似乎都没
: 有european的成分，0%
:
: gets,
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l*y
发帖数: 21010 | 29 解释了一些我和我老婆身体和思维上出现的异常情况
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: When they say you have 0.2% of European, what does make you feel?
: What does the percentage mean for you? What kind of imagination you get
: about your ancestors. What if it's zero percentage of European? Would it
: make you feel different? If you learned that one of your best friends has
: zero percentage of European, what do you think about him? Do you feel they
: are different from you, or you feel yourself to be a little different now,
: etc.
: These are the real political intent.
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 30 Now what if you learned that no other Chinese men has more than zero
percentage of European, would you feel differently about yourself? Would you
feel yourself to be less Chinese?
Basically, you are unsure about if you should consider yourself a pure
Chinese. By the virtue of your being O3 and is raised as a Han Chinese, you
should have zero doubt that you are a pure Han Chinese, as pure as it gets.
Genetically, there's no such a thing as percentage of European/Asian. That's
why this percentage results are politically motivated, and it is design to
make you feel the doubt about your identity.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 解释了一些我和我老婆身体和思维上出现的异常情况
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 31 Then use that part of the results.
This is how deception works, giving people something good to coat the
bullshit underneath.
所谓的夹带私货。
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 解释了一些我和我老婆身体和思维上出现的异常情况
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h*i
发帖数: 3446 | 32 By the way, if you really understand what this designation of O3a3b1* means,
you would not have any doubt about your ancestry at all and would not have
come to ask this question.
See, these strange characters are so hard to understand, but the percentage
of European/Asian is so easy to make people to doubt their own identity, the
political strategy really works.
【在 l*y 的大作中提到】
: 23andme 也有这类信息啊。
: 我父系O3a3b1*
: 母系B4c1b
:
: term
: only
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G**L
发帖数: 22804 | 33 这个O3a3b1*到底什么意思？我查了一下好像是Y染色体上的什么东西。但要是母亲是白
人的话，这个O3a3b1*是不是还会有？怎么会根据这一个就确定呢？
means,
have
percentage
the
【在 h*i 的大作中提到】
: By the way, if you really understand what this designation of O3a3b1* means,
: you would not have any doubt about your ancestry at all and would not have
: come to ask this question.
: See, these strange characters are so hard to understand, but the percentage
: of European/Asian is so easy to make people to doubt their own identity, the
: political strategy really works.
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