f*****d
发帖数: 2726 | 1 http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
造的。
其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
总结一下：
1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
OU和ATM还在寻求自己的network）
2. In the previous school year to these discussions, the other 11 Big 12
schools had made $28.5M from their Tier 3 rights while Texas made less than
$340K. 也就是说在LHN以前，TX的 tire3 拿到的钱比很多其他big12的都少。
3. So Nebraska voted for unequal TV revenue sharing every single time until
a sham vote just before they left the conference. NU在最初组建BIG12的时候就
是力争各家利益自得。以后每年投票也是主张各家利益自得的，除了最后一年。
4. TX 及其不明智的说了“We are the Joneses”之类的言论，以及LHN提到要播高中
football，后来被NCAA否决了。造成了很坏的印象。
5. ATM 在 TX 言论的7-8个星期以后，“突然”被TX的言论震惊了，以此为理由去SEC
（虽然从去年就没有停止过联系SEC）。 |
K**7
发帖数: 6610 | 2 本来就没有谁对谁错
大家都在按着规则游戏
大家都在追逐自己的最大利益
具体到每个球员，其实也只是关心自己的前途
至于球迷，看看球高兴就好了
哄。
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
: 很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
: 回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
: 造的。
: 其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
: 总结一下：
: 1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
: tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
|
g*********d
发帖数: 8125 | 3 i like it.
哄。
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
: 很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
: 回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
: 造的。
: 其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
: 总结一下：
: 1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
: tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
|
f*****d
发帖数: 2726 | 4 绝对同意。其实怎么分钱也分不到我们头上，我们就关心球好不好看，管他赚多少钱呢
【在 K**7 的大作中提到】
: 本来就没有谁对谁错
: 大家都在按着规则游戏
: 大家都在追逐自己的最大利益
: 具体到每个球员，其实也只是关心自己的前途
: 至于球迷，看看球高兴就好了
:
: 哄。
|
z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 5 Excellent article. The following section on revenue is really interesting.
------------------------------------------------------
So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
media contract revenue. What’s equally important to recognize is that
during that same upheaval those same ADs did not vote for equal sharing of
Tier 3 media revenue and instead left those rights and revenues to the
respective schools. Now why in the world would that be? Obviously it’s not
that they just plain forgot that there was a third tier. No, the real reason
is that Texas was close to their media rights contract, Texas A&M was
researching the Aggie Network, Oklahoma was researching SoonerVision, and
there’s something else. Oh yeah, this:
In the previous school year to these discussions, the other 11 Big 12
schools had made $28.5M from their Tier 3 rights while Texas made less than
$340K. What does that mean? IT MEANS THAT WHEN TEXAS WAS MAKING LESS THAN
MOST OTHER SCHOOLS NONE OF THEM CARED ABOUT SHARING THIRD TIER MEDIA REVENUE
. Did Texas ever complain that Jayhawk TV revenue wasn’t being shared? Did
Texas ever ask T. Boone why his school wasn’t voluntarily giving up some of
that $6M they were making? No, because Texas has always said and continues
to say that third tier media revenue belongs to the school. Texas did not
whine about how other schools were making more money and not sharing it,
instead Texas went to work developing their own third tier distribution
concept. Let’s be honest, folks, the other Big 12 schools don’t care about
everyone sharing their third tier media revenue. No, they care about Texas
sharing Texas’ third tier media revenue. And to that Texas has quite
justifiably said “No thank you.”
But is that all that the Longhorn Network represents? Of course not. Texas’
partnership with ESPN certainly created problems and the standalone network
concept was completely new to the conference. Texas A&M Athletic Director
Bill Byrne had famously doubted the idea that such a network could even work
. In fact, Dodds and Texas originally offered to go in on a cooperative
network with Texas A&M and were flatly rejected by Byrne and Texas A&M.
Bynre later tried to save face by saying he didn’t reject $150M in revenue
and that’s obviously true. At the time Texas made the offer they had no
idea it would be a revenue generator, and certainly not to that magnitude. |
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 6 太虚伪了。顺便问一下，为什么texas 3rd tier才赚了30万，别人都
几百万？不可思议啊
.
not
reason
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: Excellent article. The following section on revenue is really interesting.
:
: ------------------------------------------------------
: So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. What’s equally important to recognize is that
: during that same upheaval those same ADs did not vote for equal sharing of
: Tier 3 media revenue and instead left those rights and revenues to the
: respective schools. Now why in the world would that be? Obviously it’s not
: that they just plain forgot that there was a third tier. No, the real reason
|
d*****u
发帖数: 784 | 7 Texas大部分比赛都被tier1 and tier2选走了？
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 太虚伪了。顺便问一下，为什么texas 3rd tier才赚了30万，别人都
: 几百万？不可思议啊
:
: .
: not
: reason
|
L*1
发帖数: 11537 | 8 This article cannot be trusted completely. Take Nebraska's position as an
example. When Big12 was first formed, Nebraska was actually in the same boat
as TX and OU, and thus you would expect them to share the same interest and
vote the same way. So why should NE's position be singled out for attack?
Why NE did not change their position when they were going down (favor equal)
but changed their position when the program is getting better again? Simply
because they realized the power of unity -- they saw from Big10 example how
much more money everyone can make if they are united and not put their own
interest first.
哄。
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
: 很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
: 回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
: 造的。
: 其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
: 总结一下：
: 1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
: tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 9 我就说一句
散伙这件事情的本质，从OU要求dan beebe下课这件事上就大概可以看出来了。 |
z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 10 Probably because almost all Texas games were taken by the conference's tier
1 and tier 2 media partners.
【在 b**j 的大作中提到】
: 太虚伪了。顺便问一下，为什么texas 3rd tier才赚了30万，别人都
: 几百万？不可思议啊
:
: .
: not
: reason
|
|
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f*****d
发帖数: 2726 | 11 我比较愚笨，没有看懂你的逻辑。文章就是说了Nebraska前面都是反对均分钱财，只有
最后一次例外。如果这个事实是确凿的话，那么为什么“This article cannot be
trusted completely.”？至少列出来事实都没有问题吧。
boat
and
equal)
Simply
how
own
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: This article cannot be trusted completely. Take Nebraska's position as an
: example. When Big12 was first formed, Nebraska was actually in the same boat
: as TX and OU, and thus you would expect them to share the same interest and
: vote the same way. So why should NE's position be singled out for attack?
: Why NE did not change their position when they were going down (favor equal)
: but changed their position when the program is getting better again? Simply
: because they realized the power of unity -- they saw from Big10 example how
: much more money everyone can make if they are united and not put their own
: interest first.
:
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Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 12 这个盈利怎么算？TX家大业大，算是开销最大的program之一。 |
L*1
发帖数: 11537 | 13 In the US, it is not about telling a lie, it's about partial facts and
distorted comments, which leads you to draw a conclusion they want you to
draw.
If you trust their conclusion simply because they listed some facts, then
you are fooled.
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: 我比较愚笨，没有看懂你的逻辑。文章就是说了Nebraska前面都是反对均分钱财，只有
: 最后一次例外。如果这个事实是确凿的话，那么为什么“This article cannot be
: trusted completely.”？至少列出来事实都没有问题吧。
:
: boat
: and
: equal)
: Simply
: how
: own
|
b**j
发帖数: 20742 | 14 well. in that case, IMHO, if you believe texas/LHN is the cause for
the near collapse of the big 12, you are fooled too.
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: In the US, it is not about telling a lie, it's about partial facts and
: distorted comments, which leads you to draw a conclusion they want you to
: draw.
: If you trust their conclusion simply because they listed some facts, then
: you are fooled.
|
K**7
发帖数: 6610 | 15 这么说起来texas一直在当活雷锋？
因为tier 1 and 2大家均分
tier 3的自己留着
texas的比赛都在1 and 2
那最后拿到的钱肯定比其他学校少
tier
【在 z*****a 的大作中提到】
: Probably because almost all Texas games were taken by the conference's tier
: 1 and tier 2 media partners.
|
z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 16 What do you see from "OU要求dan beebe下课"?
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
: 我就说一句
: 散伙这件事情的本质，从OU要求dan beebe下课这件事上就大概可以看出来了。
|
M***y
发帖数: 2252 | 17 what do you think then.
or what other facts do you know so we can be less biased?
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: In the US, it is not about telling a lie, it's about partial facts and
: distorted comments, which leads you to draw a conclusion they want you to
: draw.
: If you trust their conclusion simply because they listed some facts, then
: you are fooled.
|
f*****d
发帖数: 2726 | 18 2010以前不是均分的，那也是 TX,NU,ATM，OU 都需要的：
“I previously discussed the fact that the conference had consistently voted
for unequal revenue sharing of all TV revenue for most of the conference’s
history. That changed during the 2010 realignment hysteria and the Tier 2
contract signed with Fox called for equal revenue sharing.”
【在 K**7 的大作中提到】
: 这么说起来texas一直在当活雷锋？
: 因为tier 1 and 2大家均分
: tier 3的自己留着
: texas的比赛都在1 and 2
: 那最后拿到的钱肯定比其他学校少
:
: tier
|
f*****d
发帖数: 2726 | 19 不止在US是这样的吧。
另外，你要是找到或者看到别人找到什么有力的事实，你也可以拿出来啊
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: In the US, it is not about telling a lie, it's about partial facts and
: distorted comments, which leads you to draw a conclusion they want you to
: draw.
: If you trust their conclusion simply because they listed some facts, then
: you are fooled.
|
z*****a
发帖数: 3809 | 20
Equal sharing for tier 1 and 2 revenue was approved by Big12 ADs last year
but will not start until the next media contract.
Now we see why TAMU decided to stick with the Big12 instead of joining the
SEC last year. That's likely also why TAMU flatly rejected Texas when Texas
approached them about forming a joint TV network with 50/50 revenue split.
TAMU was looking to set up their own network and didn't want to split the
revenue with Texas because they thought their 3rd tier rights would be much
more valuable than Texas'. It's only after ESPN decided to pay Texas $300M
over 15 years for the LHN that TAMU got pissed and started complaining about
how unfair it is.
【在 K**7 的大作中提到】
: 这么说起来texas一直在当活雷锋？
: 因为tier 1 and 2大家均分
: tier 3的自己留着
: texas的比赛都在1 and 2
: 那最后拿到的钱肯定比其他学校少
:
: tier
|
|
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d*****u
发帖数: 784 | 21 Why do you think you get all the facts and all the others are fooled?
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: In the US, it is not about telling a lie, it's about partial facts and
: distorted comments, which leads you to draw a conclusion they want you to
: draw.
: If you trust their conclusion simply because they listed some facts, then
: you are fooled.
|
s****y
发帖数: 18685 | 22 最大的源动力是pac12的大合同
所以都要折腾重新签
特别是SEC,年年冠军居然捞得比pac12少，tmd怎么咽得下这口气
b12这种分赃不均的最好挑拨了
哄。
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
: 很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
: 回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
: 造的。
: 其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
: 总结一下：
: 1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
: tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
|
a********c
发帖数: 526 | |
s*****e
发帖数: 1090 | 24 展开说说？
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
: 我就说一句
: 散伙这件事情的本质，从OU要求dan beebe下课这件事上就大概可以看出来了。
|
s*****e
发帖数: 1090 | 25 有事情不明白。ATM明显是受不了texas和LHN出走的，如果他有心弄自己的network，干
嘛要眼红texas的钱，干嘛要出走。去了sec就弄不了network了。还不如在big12自己也
弄个network，赚不了15m每年，赚个10m没年在加上big12分的钱总比在sec多吧？
哄。
【在 f*****d 的大作中提到】
: http://barkingcarnival.fantake.com/2011/09/22/realignmentality/
: 很长，是TX fans blog的，作者都说他只是尽量客观。但是看到下面 ATM, NU fans 的
: 回复，基本都说这个文章比较客观。不知道有没有人能找到证据说这篇文章有什么是捏
: 造的。
: 其实大家都是为了钱，何必非要把脏水往TX身上泼。还有很多不明真相的网友跟着起哄。
: 总结一下：
: 1.So during the 2010 upheaval and subsequent TV contract talks, the Big 12
: Athletic Directors all agreed to equal distribution of Tier 1 and Tier 2
: media contract revenue. 2010年big12都同意 tire1 和 tire2 的收入均分，但是
: tire3的收入归各个学校自己。（当时TX, OU, ATM都在寻求自己的network，即使现在
|
Y******e
发帖数: 20256 | 26 你也太少看SEC network了。10m算什么。
【在 s*****e 的大作中提到】
: 有事情不明白。ATM明显是受不了texas和LHN出走的，如果他有心弄自己的network，干
: 嘛要眼红texas的钱，干嘛要出走。去了sec就弄不了network了。还不如在big12自己也
: 弄个network，赚不了15m每年，赚个10m没年在加上big12分的钱总比在sec多吧？
:
: 哄。
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L*1
发帖数: 11537 | 27 Several people asked if I know more facts that you guys do not know. No, I
do have any internal source or whatever, but if you look at the article:
NE is evil -- facts;
OU is evil -- facts;
MO is evil -- facts;
TAMU is evil -- facts;
TX just did what others all agreed. Didn't TX also contact Big10 as MO did?
Why mention that, that's not evil!
The main problem in Big12 is that every big school is only thinking itself,
trying to get a bigger share for itself, but not trying to make the pie
larger. The commissioner lacks vision that Big 10 or other conferences'
commissioners have.
【在 d*****u 的大作中提到】
: Why do you think you get all the facts and all the others are fooled?
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s*****e
发帖数: 1090 | 28 那ATM去年也可以去sec啊。干嘛不走？
【在 Y******e 的大作中提到】
: 你也太少看SEC network了。10m算什么。
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a********c
发帖数: 526 | 29 This is exactly what this article is trying to say! TX is not the culprit of
this mess, at least not the only one.
?
,
【在 L*1 的大作中提到】
: Several people asked if I know more facts that you guys do not know. No, I
: do have any internal source or whatever, but if you look at the article:
: NE is evil -- facts;
: OU is evil -- facts;
: MO is evil -- facts;
: TAMU is evil -- facts;
: TX just did what others all agreed. Didn't TX also contact Big10 as MO did?
: Why mention that, that's not evil!
: The main problem in Big12 is that every big school is only thinking itself,
: trying to get a bigger share for itself, but not trying to make the pie
|
K**7
发帖数: 6610 | 30 群众总是容易不明真像的，特别是球迷
texas搞LHN，动作太大
容易被当靶子
群众还不是一煽就着，管他真假黑白呢
of
【在 a********c 的大作中提到】
: This is exactly what this article is trying to say! TX is not the culprit of
: this mess, at least not the only one.
:
: ?
: ,
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