b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 1 no matter WHO you are
you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
the ONLY right you have is call 911
for those who got beaten
at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself |
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 2 how to prevent getting hurt or getting hurt more? |
x**y
发帖数: 10012 | 3 先下手为强了
把她打翻在地 最好说不出话来
然后电话报警说她袭击你 你自卫
最后旁边花100刀顾个证人
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: how to prevent getting hurt or getting hurt more?
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 4 1. Not get hurt. Be smart to conscious of the env. Dont put yourself in some
weird/dangerous situation.
2. Not get hurt more. You need some skills.
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: how to prevent getting hurt or getting hurt more?
|
t*******y
发帖数: 11968 | 5
One can pull her away and cover her
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: no matter WHO you are
: you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
: the ONLY right you have is call 911
: for those who got beaten
: at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 6 then you are the victim
for me, get hit because of protecting someone else but cannot fight back
will make me kill the bully...
so i'd better call...
【在 t*******y 的大作中提到】
:
: One can pull her away and cover her
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 7 BS
劝架至少是应该的吧
不要动不动就legal, illegal的，我们的社会是建立在理性认知，然后才是法律
你不劝架，就看着她被打成猪头，你觉得也是应该的吗？
被打死，你就不会自责吗？
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: no matter WHO you are
: you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
: the ONLY right you have is call 911
: for those who got beaten
: at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 8 你觉得我又能力把人打的说不出话吗？？
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: 先下手为强了
: 把她打翻在地 最好说不出话来
: 然后电话报警说她袭击你 你自卫
: 最后旁边花100刀顾个证人
|
t*******y
发帖数: 11968 | 9
some cops and firefighters even cover pals from bullets and fire
definitely call, be protective but stupid
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: then you are the victim
: for me, get hit because of protecting someone else but cannot fight back
: will make me kill the bully...
: so i'd better call...
|
x**y
发帖数: 10012 | 10 只有这样了w
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 你觉得我又能力把人打的说不出话吗？？
|
|
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 11 hahahaha
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: 只有这样了w
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 12 我的枪法还是很准的
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: 只有这样了w
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 13 Shut up and read the Law:
NYS Criminal Procedure Law Article 140: Arrest Without a Warrant:
(a.k.a Citizen's Arrest)
http://ypdcrime.com/cpl/index.htm
http://ypdcrime.com/cpl/article140.htm
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: no matter WHO you are
: you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
: the ONLY right you have is call 911
: for those who got beaten
: at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 14 这就是上次flushing那女人怎么会被老墨强奸后打死的：像你这样没卵又喜欢半吊子的
人太多了。
some
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: 1. Not get hurt. Be smart to conscious of the env. Dont put yourself in some
: weird/dangerous situation.
: 2. Not get hurt more. You need some skills.
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 15 那你说咋办？
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 这就是上次flushing那女人怎么会被老墨强奸后打死的：像你这样没卵又喜欢半吊子的
: 人太多了。
:
: some
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 16 you think 劝架 can work??
how to stop fighting? just talk and no physical contact?
我们的社会是建立在"法律上的"理性认知
you can only "threaten"
then what's the best way? call 911~
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: BS
: 劝架至少是应该的吧
: 不要动不动就legal, illegal的，我们的社会是建立在理性认知，然后才是法律
: 你不劝架，就看着她被打成猪头，你觉得也是应该的吗？
: 被打死，你就不会自责吗？
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 17 大sb, speak for yourself
where are you? lets see who is 没卵又喜欢半吊子
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 这就是上次flushing那女人怎么会被老墨强奸后打死的：像你这样没卵又喜欢半吊子的
: 人太多了。
:
: some
|
x**y
发帖数: 10012 | 18 你们别打了
打驾是不对的
打坏了花花草草 怎么办
误伤了小朋友怎么办
你看你们两个斯斯文文 打得哪门子架阿
.......
然后两个过来一起K你
解决了他们打架的问题
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: you think 劝架 can work??
: how to stop fighting? just talk and no physical contact?
: 我们的社会是建立在"法律上的"理性认知
: you can only "threaten"
: then what's the best way? call 911~
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 19 唐森
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: 你们别打了
: 打驾是不对的
: 打坏了花花草草 怎么办
: 误伤了小朋友怎么办
: 你看你们两个斯斯文文 打得哪门子架阿
: .......
: 然后两个过来一起K你
: 解决了他们打架的问题
|
d***y
发帖数: 431 | 20 Illegal? What the heck do you know about the law? Just like you can use
force for self-protection, you can use reasonable force to protect others.
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: no matter WHO you are
: you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
: the ONLY right you have is call 911
: for those who got beaten
: at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself
|
|
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 21 what is reasonable force?
any difference of RF between the victim and the protector?
you want to keep force reasonable?
you must have a lot of exp
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: Illegal? What the heck do you know about the law? Just like you can use
: force for self-protection, you can use reasonable force to protect others.
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 22 For example, if I am seeing you are beating Nana， Law says I can declare
you are under Citizen's Arrest and stop your beating by means any Police
Officer might use.
Clear?
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: you think 劝架 can work??
: how to stop fighting? just talk and no physical contact?
: 我们的社会是建立在"法律上的"理性认知
: you can only "threaten"
: then what's the best way? call 911~
|
x**y
发帖数: 10012 | 23 ft
您能不老提nana么
关你什么事
有本事就搬到flushing 维持治安 顺便穿个开裆裤
让我们都看到您有ball
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: For example, if I am seeing you are beating Nana， Law says I can declare
: you are under Citizen's Arrest and stop your beating by means any Police
: Officer might use.
: Clear?
|
t*******y
发帖数: 11968 | 24
哈哈
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: ft
: 您能不老提nana么
: 关你什么事
: 有本事就搬到flushing 维持治安 顺便穿个开裆裤
: 让我们都看到您有ball
|
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 25 你真好！
tears...
【在 x**y 的大作中提到】
: ft
: 您能不老提nana么
: 关你什么事
: 有本事就搬到flushing 维持治安 顺便穿个开裆裤
: 让我们都看到您有ball
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 26 thats also threat
call 911 is for normal person who doesnt have law background
you think everyone can recite the stupid name?
still, how to stop beating by force?
even if you could
JIAO WANG GUO ZHENG
very easy to hurt the other seriously
because he or she is "exciting"
thats reasonable??
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: For example, if I am seeing you are beating Nana， Law says I can declare
: you are under Citizen's Arrest and stop your beating by means any Police
: Officer might use.
: Clear?
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 27 Come on, you do not need a Juris Doctor, you only need a ball, sometimes,
even half ball is enough.
Be a man, New Yorker, at least in words. Clear enough?
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: thats also threat
: call 911 is for normal person who doesnt have law background
: you think everyone can recite the stupid name?
: still, how to stop beating by force?
: even if you could
: JIAO WANG GUO ZHENG
: very easy to hurt the other seriously
: because he or she is "exciting"
: thats reasonable??
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 28 let me tell you those who think they have BALLs and know Laws
the most experienced ppl on the street for those criminals are police
and unfortunately, they are the first recorders for the events, and always
your evidence compares to the police record
which is more convincable in the court?
save your words and try to use your knowledge on the street
see if it can work
really curious if you guys have met those situation or not |
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 29 ok, lets check. where are you?
i can bring a camera to take pics for your half ball
if you really have ball, tell me
dont worry, i will be very mild
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: Come on, you do not need a Juris Doctor, you only need a ball, sometimes,
: even half ball is enough.
: Be a man, New Yorker, at least in words. Clear enough?
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 30 Come on, Police Officers are NOT the first recorders, because they are NOT
the eyewitness.
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: let me tell you those who think they have BALLs and know Laws
: the most experienced ppl on the street for those criminals are police
: and unfortunately, they are the first recorders for the events, and always
: your evidence compares to the police record
: which is more convincable in the court?
: save your words and try to use your knowledge on the street
: see if it can work
: really curious if you guys have met those situation or not
|
|
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 31 just imagine your daughter involves in this kind of accident, don't you want
somebody to at least help break out the fight??
your conclusion is so dum...
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: you think 劝架 can work??
: how to stop fighting? just talk and no physical contact?
: 我们的社会是建立在"法律上的"理性认知
: you can only "threaten"
: then what's the best way? call 911~
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 32 once you join in the case by your physical force to control the criminal
yes, you are still a very good eyewitness
chinese criminal lawyers? how many works?
dare to the court using your great english?
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: Come on, Police Officers are NOT the first recorders, because they are NOT
: the eyewitness.
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 33 thats different
in this scenario, i am willing to sacrifice myself to protect
but if its your girl, i am not
are you willing to sacrifice yourself seriously in those situation no matter
who?
stop giving these nonsense samples
want
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: just imagine your daughter involves in this kind of accident, don't you want
: somebody to at least help break out the fight??
: your conclusion is so dum...
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 34 Sorry, I don't fight for nobody.
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: once you join in the case by your physical force to control the criminal
: yes, you are still a very good eyewitness
: chinese criminal lawyers? how many works?
: dare to the court using your great english?
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 35 it wont be a fight
just wanna check your half ball
i guess a lot of ppl here want to check as well
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: Sorry, I don't fight for nobody.
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 36 Let me rephrase, I don't fight nobody.
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: it wont be a fight
: just wanna check your half ball
: i guess a lot of ppl here want to check as well
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 37 what can i say?
you are such a loser
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: Let me rephrase, I don't fight nobody.
|
d***y
发帖数: 431 | 38 RF means if the beater uses deadly force, then you usually can use deadly
force to protect as well. Law does not require above average experience at
all.
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: what is reasonable force?
: any difference of RF between the victim and the protector?
: you want to keep force reasonable?
: you must have a lot of exp
:
:
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 39 我不是说让你去保护自己女儿
我是说如果你女儿被别人打，你不希望有人来劝架吗？
you can't be serious about what you said, not helping the weaks, wtf
where are you come from?
is that how you get educated?
matter
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: thats different
: in this scenario, i am willing to sacrifice myself to protect
: but if its your girl, i am not
: are you willing to sacrifice yourself seriously in those situation no matter
: who?
: stop giving these nonsense samples
:
: want
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 40 sigh，你这种只有嘴巴功夫的男人还敢骂人是loser? 你这种coward我看还是滚一边去吧。
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: what can i say?
: you are such a loser
|
|
|
d***y
发帖数: 431 | 41 second. LZ knows martial arts and maybe physically strong but may lack
courage so he is trying to rationalize his being chicken. Come on, just don
't tell people lies regarding the law.
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: Come on, you do not need a Juris Doctor, you only need a ball, sometimes,
: even half ball is enough.
: Be a man, New Yorker, at least in words. Clear enough?
|
m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 42 你上去拉架可以，但如果帮人打架，很有可能演化成街头BULLY，那就不是好玩的了 |
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 43 what is deadly force?
the force in your hand may not deadly, but may deadly in my hand
1. make ppl down is not so hard
2. before the criminal make ppl down, how can you know that the next hit is
fatal or not?
how about undeadly?
bite is not, scratch is not, kick usually is not, hits in the face less than
5 usually are not
so you wait and count?
gimme a break
have you ever seen ppl fight?
at
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: RF means if the beater uses deadly force, then you usually can use deadly
: force to protect as well. Law does not require above average experience at
: all.
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 44 thank you!
don
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: second. LZ knows martial arts and maybe physically strong but may lack
: courage so he is trying to rationalize his being chicken. Come on, just don
: 't tell people lies regarding the law.
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 45 then tell me where are you
are you a lawyer?
嘴巴功夫 is worse than me?
you must a loser not only online, but also in your career
去吧。
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: sigh，你这种只有嘴巴功夫的男人还敢骂人是loser? 你这种coward我看还是滚一边去吧。
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 46 just because i know MA
i want to tell ppl careless fight can make ppl down very easily
you are so naive
and i dont want to use the word "chick" to call you
don
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: second. LZ knows martial arts and maybe physically strong but may lack
: courage so he is trying to rationalize his being chicken. Come on, just don
: 't tell people lies regarding the law.
|
m*****5
发帖数: 23482 | 47
don
你觉得懂MARTIAL ARTS的人会缺COURAGE吗？
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: second. LZ knows martial arts and maybe physically strong but may lack
: courage so he is trying to rationalize his being chicken. Come on, just don
: 't tell people lies regarding the law.
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 48 if there is no one standing up, who can you blame?
came from China doesnt mean have to help Chinese blindly, but smartly
I am curious if thats how you get educated
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: 我不是说让你去保护自己女儿
: 我是说如果你女儿被别人打，你不希望有人来劝架吗？
: you can't be serious about what you said, not helping the weaks, wtf
: where are you come from?
: is that how you get educated?
:
: matter
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 49 my god...
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: if there is no one standing up, who can you blame?
: came from China doesnt mean have to help Chinese blindly, but smartly
: I am curious if thats how you get educated
|
D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 50 纯北京爷们，不会武术，但我肯定会去劝架
你半天就没明白劝架和帮架，谁也没说让你帮中国女孩打别人，我说的是劝架。
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: if there is no one standing up, who can you blame?
: came from China doesnt mean have to help Chinese blindly, but smartly
: I am curious if thats how you get educated
|
|
|
L******k
发帖数: 33825 | 51 顶一个！
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: 纯北京爷们，不会武术，但我肯定会去劝架
: 你半天就没明白劝架和帮架，谁也没说让你帮中国女孩打别人，我说的是劝架。
|
y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 52 In theory, yes, you can stop someone from hitting another person, but you
may not hurt the abuser. You would be accountable for any damages you might
have caused the abuser. For example, you are allowed to hold the abuser's
hands, but you are not to beat up the abuser - this applies to any private
citizen including private guards or bouncers.
Unless you have an excellent attorney, or you're certain that you can easily
control the abuser without harming him/her, think twice...
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: For example, if I am seeing you are beating Nana， Law says I can declare
: you are under Citizen's Arrest and stop your beating by means any Police
: Officer might use.
: Clear?
|
d***y
发帖数: 431 | 53 Yup, I may be naive but I think this world needs more "naive" people,
especially for us Chinese. Otherwise, "smart" people can always find a way
to get rid of the feeling of guilt and avoid doing good deeds.
很多时候当弱小被欺负的时候，只要有很多人上前，行凶的人就会被吓退，可惜的是，
很多像你这样physically strong 的人都叫嚣着 Don't save people "as principle".
还拿法律当挡箭牌，实在让人看不下去。这不是个game theory吗？ 最好的方案是大
家都合力维护正义，可惜的事当有人开始cheat （就像你这样），于是最佳方案就成了
大家一起冷漠，哎，我们中国人难道就是这样堕落的~
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: just because i know MA
: i want to tell ppl careless fight can make ppl down very easily
: you are so naive
: and i dont want to use the word "chick" to call you
:
: don
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 54 劝架 will not work on most crazy gangsters.
when you lose the patience, can you control yourself?
also for the police, most likely you are 帮架
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: 纯北京爷们，不会武术，但我肯定会去劝架
: 你半天就没明白劝架和帮架，谁也没说让你帮中国女孩打别人，我说的是劝架。
|
d*b
发帖数: 21830 | 55 你太胆小了，当年Chicago Chinatown一老中帮忙抓老白小偷，无数人追，最后小偷被
抓了，还被活活打了一顿，脸上还出了血，当时正好一电视台记者在，整个过程有录像
。后来小偷被条子带走，电视台放录像的时候，把人打小偷的镜头都cut了，连在场的
所有eyewitness都说我不知道这小偷这么会流血的。
See？别以为大家都是傻子。纽约这个烂地方，就是聪明人太多了，看到自己女人被人强奸，说我不能动手，我得先打911，因为条子才是first recorder.
might
s
easily
【在 y*e 的大作中提到】
: In theory, yes, you can stop someone from hitting another person, but you
: may not hurt the abuser. You would be accountable for any damages you might
: have caused the abuser. For example, you are allowed to hold the abuser's
: hands, but you are not to beat up the abuser - this applies to any private
: citizen including private guards or bouncers.
: Unless you have an excellent attorney, or you're certain that you can easily
: control the abuser without harming him/her, think twice...
|
d***y
发帖数: 431 | 56 BTW, let me tell you a bit about NY criminal law,
Use of Deadly Force to Prevent a Crime may only be used to prevent a felony
risking human life. In NY, deadly force may be used to prevent the
following and retreat is NOT required
a) Rape
b) Robbery
c) Arson,
d) Kidnapping
e) Burglary
Defense of others: **same rules as self defense apply**
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: no matter WHO you are
: you are ILLEGAL to fight for her
: the ONLY right you have is call 911
: for those who got beaten
: at that time the only one who can prevent you get hurt more is yourself
|
b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 57 i dont wanna say, but anyone live in Flushing knows that about 1 year ago,
one of the Chase Bank windows was broken in a Sat night?
sadly, this is the way most efficient
unless you can do a revolution on this
every body needs to deal with this stupid law
we try to help the society with our best - teach girls self defense freely
what you can do on your side?
ask yourself first before saying who is cheating or coward
the best way is to prevent, but not to fight
what i can do is to tell ppl if it h
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: Yup, I may be naive but I think this world needs more "naive" people,
: especially for us Chinese. Otherwise, "smart" people can always find a way
: to get rid of the feeling of guilt and avoid doing good deeds.
: 很多时候当弱小被欺负的时候，只要有很多人上前，行凶的人就会被吓退，可惜的是，
: 很多像你这样physically strong 的人都叫嚣着 Don't save people "as principle".
: 还拿法律当挡箭牌，实在让人看不下去。这不是个game theory吗？ 最好的方案是大
: 家都合力维护正义，可惜的事当有人开始cheat （就像你这样），于是最佳方案就成了
: 大家一起冷漠，哎，我们中国人难道就是这样堕落的~
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b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 58 thanks
then street fight belongs to which one?
felony
【在 d***y 的大作中提到】
: BTW, let me tell you a bit about NY criminal law,
: Use of Deadly Force to Prevent a Crime may only be used to prevent a felony
: risking human life. In NY, deadly force may be used to prevent the
: following and retreat is NOT required
: a) Rape
: b) Robbery
: c) Arson,
: d) Kidnapping
: e) Burglary
: Defense of others: **same rules as self defense apply**
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y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 59 I beat up an attempted rapist (with 2 other guys) and got in serious trouble
for breaking his ribs. I speak from real life experiences. Have you dealt
anything of this nature yourself?
In reality, it's all about how good the lawyer is.
人强奸，说我不能动手，我得先打911，因为条子才是first recorder.
【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 你太胆小了，当年Chicago Chinatown一老中帮忙抓老白小偷，无数人追，最后小偷被
: 抓了，还被活活打了一顿，脸上还出了血，当时正好一电视台记者在，整个过程有录像
: 。后来小偷被条子带走，电视台放录像的时候，把人打小偷的镜头都cut了，连在场的
: 所有eyewitness都说我不知道这小偷这么会流血的。
: See？别以为大家都是傻子。纽约这个烂地方，就是聪明人太多了，看到自己女人被人强奸，说我不能动手，我得先打911，因为条子才是first recorder.
:
: might
: s
: easily
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b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 60 no matter who, a man called himself "大sb" with the logic above is
definitely not a good lawyer
trouble
dealt
【在 y*e 的大作中提到】
: I beat up an attempted rapist (with 2 other guys) and got in serious trouble
: for breaking his ribs. I speak from real life experiences. Have you dealt
: anything of this nature yourself?
: In reality, it's all about how good the lawyer is.
:
: 人强奸，说我不能动手，我得先打911，因为条子才是first recorder.
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D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 61 you call two girls are gangsters?
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: 劝架 will not work on most crazy gangsters.
: when you lose the patience, can you control yourself?
: also for the police, most likely you are 帮架
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b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 62 man, what i say is a general street fight
do you think i mean to call the 911 in case you see two kids fight?
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: you call two girls are gangsters?
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y*e
发帖数: 9799 | 63 If you see a woman is being beaten 你可以帮助她防卫，可以拉住行凶的人，但不
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D**C
发帖数: 6754 | 64 dude, look at the title of your post....
【在 b********r 的大作中提到】
: man, what i say is a general street fight
: do you think i mean to call the 911 in case you see two kids fight?
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b********r
发帖数: 7725 | 65 a woman is beaten, not 2 women fight
【在 D**C 的大作中提到】
: dude, look at the title of your post....
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