g********d 发帖数: 4174 | 1 NEW YORK — A divided federal appeals court in Manhattan struck down the
Defense of Marriage Act Thursday as unconstitutional, joining an appeals
court in Boston in rejecting the law that defines marriage as between a man
and a woman. The Supreme Court is expected to take up the case in the next
year.
The 2nd U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals issued its 2-to-1 ruling only weeks
after hearing arguments on a lower court judge's findings that the 1996 law
was unconstitutional.
The majority opinion written by Judge Dennis Jacobs rejected a section of
the law that says "marriage" only means a legal union between one man and
one woman as husband and wife and that the word "spouse" refers only to a
person of the opposite sex who is a husband or a wife. A federal appeals
court in Boston earlier this year also found it unconstitutional.
The issue is expected to be decided by the Supreme Court. The decision came
less than a month after the court heard arguments on Sept. 27.
Lawyer Paul Clement, who had argued in support of the law on behalf of the
Bipartisan Legal Advisory Group of the House of Representatives, was
traveling and did not immediately return a message for comment.
James Esseks, an attorney for the American Civil Liberties Union, called the
ruling "a watershed moment in the legal movement for lesbian and gay rights
."
"It's fabulous news for same-sex couples in New York and other states," he
said.
Esseks said the 2nd Circuit went farther than the appeals court in Boston by
saying that when the government discriminates against gay people, the
courts will presume that the discrimination is unconstitutional.
In striking down the law, the Jacobs wrote that the law's "classification of
same-sex spouses was not substantially related to an important government
interest" and thus violated the equal protection clause of the Constitution.
He said the law was written so broadly that it touches more than a thousand
federal laws. He said "homosexuals are not in a position to adequately
protect themselves from the discriminatory wishes of the majoritarian public
."
He rejected arguments that the definition of marriage was traditional.
"Even if preserving tradition were in itself an important goal, DOMA is not
a means to achieve it," he said.
Judge Chester Straub dissented, saying that if the government was to change
its understanding of marriage, "I believe it is for the American people to
do so."
"Courts should not intervene where there is a robust political debate
because doing so poisons the political well, imposing a destructive anti-
majoritarian constitutional ruling on a vigorous debate," he said.
The ruling came in a case brought by Edith Windsor. She sued the government
in November 2010 because she was told to pay $363,053 in federal estate tax
after her partner of 44 years, Thea Spyer, died in 2009. They had married in
Canada in 2007.
The law, which denies federal recognition of same-sex marriages and affirms
the right of states to refuse to recognize such marriages, was passed by
Congress and signed by President Bill Clinton after it appeared in 1993 that
Hawaii might legalize gay marriage. Since then, many states have banned gay
marriage but several have approved it, including Massachusetts and New York
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co疲勞。。。不過呢,這種案子越多越好,本年度高院不得不審理。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】 : 都已经审美疲劳了。。
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 4 老散兄,你还认为O8一定赢吗?昨天的national poll差距可是7%了,连我们这里以前
最坚定的老美都说hard to predict.
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】 : : co疲勞。。。不過呢,這種案子越多越好,本年度高院不得不審理。
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 5
堅定。Romney是不可能贏的。
有時候我也覺得是不是我在紐約這個極度深藍的地方呆久了,
對紅色地區沒啥感覺,所以堅信藍色會贏。
不過這一次的Romney漏洞太多,
在年輕人,老年人,和婦女,
這三塊大區他基本沒有優勢。
選舉現在主要看到是中間選民和搖擺州,
拋開彼此的base不談,藍色base兩百票左右,紅色base一百五十,
要到達兩百七十票,看中間搖擺地帶,
而搖擺州要看中間選民。
從邏輯和理智上來分析,
誰在大選中努力爭取中間選民?
羅姆尼說減稅,說他努力提高女性地位,說他當州長很中間,
但是他基本表達的意思是靠近他自己的base。
你看看他的官網,堂而皇之寫的是gun right。
他本人或許偏中間,但他的態度是盡量偏右。
我很懷疑中間選民的多數會投他。
是在意識形態的議題上就不說了,
他前后說了很多話,總結起來就是一堆大便,其臭無比。
奧巴馬在第二次辯論說更正外界對他的誤解,
他強調的是他不是主張大政府的社會福利主義,
他相信自由貿易,更相信人人平等。
他反復強調,我是總統我負有責任,
這些話在中間派聽起來還是順耳的。
現在的狀況,攻擊Romney實在太容易了,
這人一開口就錯漏百出,
攻擊Obama目前就揪住他在rose garden說沒說act of terror,
對中間派來說,共和黨這么干有意思么?
2008年他贏得選舉人票365票。
這次即便不能那么大勝,也絕不可能輸。
關鍵是他面對的是豬一樣的對手。
整個共和黨思維混亂,偏右和極右無法調和。
所以近兩次大選本來是個中間態度的總統候選人,
都必須配上極右的副總統候選人,
然后成功滴嚇跑一堆中間選民。
在共和黨不能理清思路之前,
如果下次大選還是打這堆爛牌,他們還得輸。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】 : 老散兄,你还认为O8一定赢吗?昨天的national poll差距可是7%了,连我们这里以前 : 最坚定的老美都说hard to predict.
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g********d 发帖数: 4174 | 6 If the polls are right, Romney will win the popular vote and lose the
election
http://www.examiner.com/article/if-the-polls-are-right-romney-w
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】 : 老散兄,你还认为O8一定赢吗?昨天的national poll差距可是7%了,连我们这里以前 : 最坚定的老美都说hard to predict.
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 7 道理是这么说,但事实是,从第二次debate以后,不管是national poll还是摇摆州的
poll,Romney的领先优势都又扩大了。Romney的漏洞再大,还剩17天,O8也没什么时间
扭转局势了,再说了,美国老百姓谁在乎facts啊,人就看辩论的时候,谁的样子更象
总统(这不是我说的,是我老美同事说的)。
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】 : : 堅定。Romney是不可能贏的。 : 有時候我也覺得是不是我在紐約這個極度深藍的地方呆久了, : 對紅色地區沒啥感覺,所以堅信藍色會贏。 : 不過這一次的Romney漏洞太多, : 在年輕人,老年人,和婦女, : 這三塊大區他基本沒有優勢。 : 選舉現在主要看到是中間選民和搖擺州, : 拋開彼此的base不談,藍色base兩百票左右,紅色base一百五十, : 要到達兩百七十票,看中間搖擺地帶,
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 8 如果能帮Gore出口气也行啊..
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】 : If the polls are right, Romney will win the popular vote and lose the : election : http://www.examiner.com/article/if-the-polls-are-right-romney-w
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 9
中间选民还是在乎的。facts matter。
宣称自己是中间选民的人基本会看会听到底这俩人在干嘛。
说实话我不是觉得奥巴马肯定会赢,
我是觉得Romney赢不了。
在说poll到了后来主要是在催票,
蓝色要输了啊!!!造势让蓝色人群必须去投票,哪怕天上下刀子。
反之亦然。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】 : 道理是这么说,但事实是,从第二次debate以后,不管是national poll还是摇摆州的 : poll,Romney的领先优势都又扩大了。Romney的漏洞再大,还剩17天,O8也没什么时间 : 扭转局势了,再说了,美国老百姓谁在乎facts啊,人就看辩论的时候,谁的样子更象 : 总统(这不是我说的,是我老美同事说的)。
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m******1 发帖数: 19713 | 10 gallup poll不会做手脚催票吧?
【在 t*******e 的大作中提到】 : : 中间选民还是在乎的。facts matter。 : 宣称自己是中间选民的人基本会看会听到底这俩人在干嘛。 : 说实话我不是觉得奥巴马肯定会赢, : 我是觉得Romney赢不了。 : 在说poll到了后来主要是在催票, : 蓝色要输了啊!!!造势让蓝色人群必须去投票,哪怕天上下刀子。 : 反之亦然。
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X*******H 发帖数: 720 | 11 算了,还是指望最高法院吧,Obama看起来确实有点悬。。。 |
X*******H 发帖数: 720 | 12 仔细看了下NYT这文章,貌似这个案子比其他的都有希望被高院审,还最有希望得到关
键的中间立场的法官支持。。。
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 13
這誰知道。Gallup預測大選準確度不怎麼樣吧。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】 : gallup poll不会做手脚催票吧?
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t*******e 发帖数: 2113 | 14
可能會跟麻州的一起審。
高院每年收到上千份案件,
能審理一百個左右。
幾個併成一個是很常見的。
就按排隊順序,麻州的也比紐約的先。
【在 X*******H 的大作中提到】 : 仔细看了下NYT这文章,貌似这个案子比其他的都有希望被高院审,还最有希望得到关 : 键的中间立场的法官支持。。。 : 还是值得高兴的
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