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yhflogan (滚滚长江都是水) 于 (Mon Jul 11 00:18:51 2011, 美东) 提到:
各种各样的跑鞋名目繁多，争论也从来没停止过。
现在正式征文，请大家踊跃投稿。
建议包括以下topic
1. 跑鞋种类(per pronation: stability, neutral, ...) per function: training,
racing flat, trail run...
2. 常见跑鞋品牌（记得以前谁提过）
3. 如何选择跑鞋，跑鞋的寿命...
4. 跑鞋与跑步姿势
5. 跑鞋与伤病
6. 其他相关
要求
言简意赅
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 00:52:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
这篇算不算啊， 有图有真相：
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Running/31411175_3.html
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baiji (战神) 于 (Mon Jul 11 01:27:07 2011, 美东) 提到:
wow,你居然穿过kayano, 2130, trance...
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yhflogan (滚滚长江都是水) 于 (Mon Jul 11 07:43:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
算使用心得
我的期望是能够review大部分跑鞋相关的问题，言简意赅，让新手能够明白跑鞋的重要
性，以及如何选择适合自己的跑鞋
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:18:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
版上穿kayano, 21x0的人不要太多。。。
不管穿啥鞋都能自我纠正跑姿， 至少是步频步幅部分，
我的跑姿从穿kayano开始就没有啥太大变化，不管啥鞋。。
把受伤问题全推给跑鞋，我觉得没有道理。。
如花也是最厚的neutral鞋（Saucony Triumph)和最薄的
stability racing flats鞋（ASICS Bandito)混穿。。
而关于forefoot landing/midfoot landing/heel landing
which one is good for marathon, 也还没有定论。。。
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:23:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
我现在已经是midfoot为主，forefoot／heelstrike混用。trail run的时候见到大石块
都是forefoot，在软的凹凸不平容易崴脚的地面上用heelstrike。
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yhflogan (滚滚长江都是水) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:35:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
FAQ for newbie will NOT try to recommend someone to select shoes for
marathon.
It'd better only cover the part for starters, with probably less than 20
miles a week.
Form is important. Yet shoes will affect form. But what is a pair of shoes
that I should start with? That is the question I think we need to address
for newbies.
For someone thinking about marathon (although the 1st one), we have to
assume he/she already tried a few different shoes and should have their own
opinion.
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:39:58 2011, 美东) 提到:
that's a pretty difficult question, for the following reasons:
1. the most comfortable shoes aren't necessarily good for you.
2. if it's comfortable during the run, it doesn't mean that the shoes are
good. you could end up in pain the next day.
3. and even if you are okay wearing a pair for a month, you could get
injured later. if certain muscles are weakened because of the shoes, the
effect won't show up until much later.
plus, most people would have no problem running 10-20 miles per week wearing whatever shoes they
want. when I first started running I even wore basketball shoes.
the problem only shows up when they increase their mileage to 40, 50, or 70 later on.
own
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yhflogan (滚滚长江都是水) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:49:22 2011, 美东) 提到:
I think we need an article that answers something like
1. If a pair of shoes with higher price will be better? e.g. Nimbus VS
cumulus
price is a factor to choose shoes for newbie. At least for myself because I
do not really know how much I will love running and how much I will be into
it.
2. People are talking about pronation. Is it important? Should I have to
follow the pronation?
This is a tricky question and it is still under debate. But what about a
summary?
3. If I need different shoes for treadmill or road or trail or any other
surfaces?
These questions really bothered me when I was about starting to run. But I
did not really get stuck on shoes. I just picked up an old basket ball shoe
and ran.
In term of longer effect what the shoes will contribute to your form, your
efficiency, and your injury, I personally think it is out of the topic for
newbies at this point. As you said, it is a difficult question. It still
needs more evidence to prove. But it will be great to have a review to
summarize the discussion on this topic and I will put the link in the FAQ.
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LittleZane (Mr. Bean) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:53:53 2011, 美东) 提到:
如果谁有能力和时间把不同的观点（主要也就是两个）连论据都摆上，供新手参考，真
是很有价值。值得一个大包子。
,
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:53:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
I
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No, higher price generally means "durable" (except in the case of racing
flats), not necessarily that the shoes are good for you.
There is no evidence that pronation matters in the choice of running shoes.
No, unless the trail is very technical.
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 11:56:23 2011, 美东) 提到:
I'll save some time by simply posting a link:
http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/
especially, see
http://www.barefootrunning.fas.harvard.edu/4BiomechanicsofFootS
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LittleZane (Mr. Bean) 于 (Mon Jul 11 12:42:55 2011, 美东) 提到:
These are probably good complementary (a more traditional view) articles:
http://www.aapsm.org/selectingshoes.html
http://www.ehow.com/how_2041199_select-running-shoe.html
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 12:54:59 2011, 美东) 提到:
不是说要把论据摆上。论据呢？
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LittleZane (Mr. Bean) 于 (Mon Jul 11 13:17:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
Don't know. It is more like 'commonsense' so it is easy to sell but actually
could be misleading. Most running stores use these theories.
So we still need a leading paragraph before showing the links. It should say
that the traditional view is ... however it can be misleading ...
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whxhm1 (whxhm) 于 (Mon Jul 11 13:22:42 2011, 美东) 提到:
There is no question that cushioned shoes can absorb some impact. It is also
shown in Lieberman's lab tests (barefoot heelstrike vs shoes heelstrike).
The point of debate is whether cushioned shoes messes up the running form by
allowing excessive heelstrike. Most recreational runners are not very much
aware of their poor running forms and this is where the problem lies. I
certainly agree that running form is infinitely more important than the
choice of shoes, but for newbies, especially, the form can be easily messed
up by a poor choice of shoes. It is also common sense that the thicker the
heel cushion is, the more natural it would be to land on the heels, just
because it is closer to the ground.
actually
say
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LittleZane (Mr. Bean) 于 (Mon Jul 11 13:46:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
Right and that's why I agree with you. However, I don't know that it is the
mainstream view even by the doctors. So I just feel it is better to put a
disclaimer there rather than to tell a visitor that 'doctors are wrong'.
also
by
much
messed
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 13:50:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
我的意见就是， 每周跑30迈以下的新手没必要为跑鞋整天纠结，
找个舒服的穿就完了， 没啥区别。。
讨论越多， 新手越confuse， 越觉得跑步这活儿咋这么复杂。。
其实对新手而言， 饼干桶的QMD就够用了。。
own
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cookiejar (饼干桶) 于 (Mon Jul 11 13:53:39 2011, 美东) 提到:
我怎么又被点名了
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tangguoxin (糖果) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:10:21 2011, 美东) 提到:
躺着也中枪
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tangguoxin (糖果) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:13:01 2011, 美东) 提到:
同意！
还没跑呢为鞋纠结啥啊，睡袋啥都没问跑到每周上百迈，也没见人为鞋纠结过
真正要跑的人，啥都不问跑了再说
问题太多的新手不是好新手，去跑，出问题了再来问
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:18:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
因为这话太精典了...跑步跟游泳一样，
you have to swim to learn swimming,
you have to run to learn running...
跑得越多， 自然越efficient, 身体自己知道去
学习用最省力的方法跑。。。光在这里纸上谈兵是
没啥用的。。。
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eve (小东东~divine horses a floating clouds) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:18:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
名ID嘛！
我觉得很多东西自己在慢慢实践中会有更多自己的体会
新手不要觉得看两篇post就能搞懂。更何况，学术界也好，野跑界也好，都还不能达成
一致观点呢。
key point：
跑鞋不是越贵越好
了解自己的脚和跑姿
跑起来再说！
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tangguoxin (糖果) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:20:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
新手FAQ 总结为一句话：参见饼干桶的签名档
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:23:45 2011, 美东) 提到:
然，俺跑半马之前也在这里潜了半年没吭声，偷偷学习
大牛们的经验心得。。。好像就问过两个问题，记得是
修罗和小钟回答的。。
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tangguoxin (糖果) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:27:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
恩，我也是先潜水好久，第一次发贴好像是受伤了才来问的
不跑的 时候我都没问题要问，跑了才发现很多问题，而且很多东西要自己 琢磨，别人
的经验未必适合你
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LittleZane (Mr. Bean) 于 (Mon Jul 11 14:56:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
偶第一次半马就没跑成。伤了。。。
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 24mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 15:01:57 2011, 美东) 提到:
跑步受伤的原因基本就两个， 跑太快跑太多...
我首半马前根本就不太理解啥tempo啥的， 平均每周
也就20多迈， 一周2到3次，赛前买了个5刀电子表
就去跑了...
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Mutu (Camoranesi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 15:18:37 2011, 美东) 提到:
我8年前的时候跑第一个半马的时候，侧附韧带撕裂还没好
前10km巨疼，
跑到10km之后不疼了。。。回来就彻底趴了很久。。。
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Rodimus (变叔- VFF 30mi) 于 (Mon Jul 11 16:14:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
原来是老江湖啊。。。。伤了最好别跑了，把伤病消灭在
萌芽状态。。。
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Rhein (Light stick) 于 (Tue Jul 12 04:59:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
这个网站很不错啊，
看了之后我才发现我穿的adidas climacool ride就是Minimal。 |
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