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PAC8020 (8020) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:32:40 2014, 美东) 提到:
本信的英文版附在下面。这封信是想提醒大家SJR23可能会触发一场族裔冲突，而这场
族裔战争亚裔很难取胜，所以大家需要谨慎和警惕。吴先生不希望亚裔成为这场战争的
牺牲品。
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您可能听说了一份加州参议院的提议(Senate Joint Resolution* 23或SJR23)，要求认
可华人对加州所作出贡献的历史，并要求加州参众两院就1882年的排华法案一事像向华
人社区正式道歉。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/SanFrancisco/34171177.html
您听到这个提议草案时，第一反应可能是欣慰，可能还是非常欣慰。但是请当心，因为
其实这步政棋有隐秘的极大的危险性，我们需清醒一点！
您也可能知道何美湄是参议院共和党领袖Bob Huff的太太。直到几个星期前，共和党在
加州的议会里还是个不值一顾的废物，因为民主党在参众两院都控制了2/3的绝对多数
席位。任何共和党的立法提案,无论多好,都是绝无可能通过的，既是财政预算 , 民主
党也不须共和党的投票赞同, 所以没啥好商量的,共和党不过是一个废物.
但共和党的机会终于到了,它看着华裔社区址反对SCA5上有效的阻击，他们用支持华裔/
亚裔的机会要在亚裔和民主党之间插橛子了—这也无所谓, 这可使民主党对我们社区多
尊重一些。
但是，我们不能帮助或容忍那些在亚裔和西班牙裔/非裔之间插橛子和搞分歧。请警醒
呀，朋友们！那些搞种族分歧的人是别有用心的。他们若成功的话,我们会受苦无穷。
是西班牙裔/非裔的人多, 还是我们人多? 这批不俱好意的人,有保守的共和党,也有自
由派的民主党人士—那些因为自己起初支持SCA5而羞愧不已, 现在又想在西裔/非裔和
亚裔之间煽风点火，来表明自己对西裔和非裔政客的随从是智慧的选择。
这项提议能通过吗？我不知道。因为我不太了解加州的议会的详情，不过这个提议是一
个橛子是毫无议问的，我拐心的是民主党内的西裔和非裔参众议员会出来反对这项提议
, 因此搞大了叁个族裔间的衝突. 危险呀，大家不要上当了！SJR23和SCA5不一样，这
项提案没有太大的现实意义, 也没有时间性。事实上，它任何时候都可以被提出。让那
些西裔/非裔民主党的恼怒先冷静下去再说吧。SJR23这提议是打铁趁热, 让亚裔和西班
牙裔/非裔之间的衝突, 继续不停的扩大!
80-20以前曾成功地通过"分而治之"来保护我们亚裔的权益，我们也成功地将这一战术
用在SCA5的阻击战里。让我们不要成为他人党派政治游戏的马前卒吧！民主党靠少数族
裔吃饭, 使民主党的少们数族裔内战, 对共和党有好处, 但这样的战局, 会使亚裔受苦
无穷.
请注意，注意呀！
80-20促进会主席，义工
吴仙标
*SJR 的全称是Senate Joint Resolution, 需要参众两院都通过了才会实施。
附注：我对Huff参议员和他的太太没有任何成见。只是想让大家知道政客们总是善于玩
“分而治之”的游戏。
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Dear Like-Minded:
See below for something (SJR23)* that many of us will like, perhaps
greatly. But let buyers beware! It is dangerous politics, we need to
play it smart!
As you may know Mei Mei is the wife of Senator Huff, who is CA's Senate
minority leaders and a politician. Up till a few weeks ago, the Republicans
in the CA legislature lived under the absolute rule of the Democrats who
had more than 2/3 vote in both the Senate and the Assembly -- those of you
who have not been in politics are extremely unlikely to appreciate what that
means. All those ELECTED Republicans became non-persons. Nothing they
wanted to do will be approved. All Republican sponsored bills would be "
dead on arrival", because the Dems don't even need a
single Republican vote for passing budget bills -- hence no aid pro quo,
period.
How can a Party lose that badly? Who knows. None of them can be too
politically astute.
So finally, inspired by the effectiveness of Ch-Ams community in opposing
the SCA 5, it is beginning to play SMART politics -- supporting ChAm/AsAm
to drive a wedge between the Dem Party and AsAms -- fine, I want the Dems to
show more respect to us.
However, there is one thing that none of us should help, NOT EVEN
TOLERATE -- to let the those nuts in partisan politics to drive a wedge
between Hispanic/black communities and the AsAm community. BEWARE, some of
the folks behind that wedge
are liberals -- those who feel humiliated by their support of SCA 5 and want
to fan a fire between Hispanics/Black and AsAms to justifying their past
slavish submittal to the Hispanic and black politicians.
Can Sen. Huff get his bill through? I don't know. I don't know enough
about CA legislature politics. But it is an apparent WEDGE to keep the fire
going between the ChAm community and the Democrats and there could also be
a hope that the Black/Hispanics senators and Assembly-person will boycott
this bill. DANGER. Don't take the bait. Unlike SCA 5, such a bill
doesn't affect reality. Indeed, it can be brought up anytime. Let all the
furies on the Hispanic/black/Dem sides die down first.
80-20 has successfully played one party against another in the past and
in the SCA 5 campaign. Don't let ourselves
be a pawn in other people's partisan political games!!!!
BEWARE. BEWARE.
* SJR stands for Senate Joint Resolution, which means it needs to pass both
the CA Senate and the Assembly.
PS I am not charging Mrs. Huff with anything. I just want you to know that
politicians are always good at the "Divide and Conquer" game.
I will indeed continue to communicate respectfully with politicians on
both sides. I've recently initiated communicating with Dem leader about the
dangers of having the Hispanic/black politicians behaving too emotionally.
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luckynoob (菜鸟) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:39:16 2014, 美东) 提到:
对共和党人太阴险了，只会政治投机。只有民主党人的民主是真正落到实处的，同胞们
要睁大眼睛呀！
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LDEP (LDEP) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:52:30 2014, 美东) 提到:
您太搞笑了
民主黨搞個“遺憾”，歡呼雀躍，罵共和黨不關係華裔
共和黨搞個“道歉”，提高警惕，這是共和黨的陰謀
還什麼共和黨在亞裔和民主黨之間插一腳，這sca5從頭到尾都是民主黨搞出來的，共和
黨從來都是反對票。
沒錯，sca5能被擱置，是我們努力的結果，是有針對性的幾個亞裔民主黨議員做工作的
結果。但是別太傻了，如果沒有共和黨保證的全黨反對票提供基礎，你找那幾個亞裔民
主黨議員有什麼用？
此外，別扯什麼種族對立了，共和黨南加3月9日的反sca5大會可是各個族裔都喊人來撐
場面了，白的黑的西裔，華韓越，都有
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nmtycl (你们太有才了) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:52:52 2014, 美东) 提到:
如果西裔或非裔为了反对共和党而反对这个议案，那说明他们是白痴，这样的少数族裔
战友是猪一样的队友。。。
挺好的一个试金石，只能说明民主党太容易被人钉楔子了。
亚裔怎么办，反对？是否比猪还猪？
这只是考验一下民主党，如果连这个都反对，以后民主党不就臭大街了吗？当年不是民
主党搞的排华法案吗？
怀疑这是吴仙标写的。。。
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LDEP (LDEP) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:54:50 2014, 美东) 提到:
吴仙标沒這麼弱吧？不可能吧？這基本沒啥正常邏輯思維的水平呀
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garnetcrow (kikicoco) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:55:03 2014, 美东) 提到:
明显不是吴，他自己作假写别人名字。黑墨党的托就都这种水平？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
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LDEP (LDEP) 于 (Fri Apr 11 20:56:06 2014, 美东) 提到:
應該不是，這個水平實在太差，名字也起的比較搞笑pac8020
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luckynoob (菜鸟) 于 (Fri Apr 11 21:00:29 2014, 美东) 提到:
民主党就是好呀，这两天病了。一直就在梦想我要是阳光的加州多好。好好想办法当上
公民，何必把自己累病了。躺在沙滩上灌着水，多好呀。
之間插一腳，這sca5從頭到尾都是民主黨搞出來的，共和
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LDEP (LDEP) 于 (Fri Apr 11 21:06:59 2014, 美东) 提到:
來吧來吧，多生孩子早致富
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yls (坑爹的妈) 于 (Fri Apr 11 21:08:13 2014, 美东) 提到:
政治背后就是利益瓜分。现在非裔墨裔已经看准亚裔盘子里的奶酪了，亚裔不奋起反抗
保护自己利益，到最后也是死路一条。你这种瞻前顾后怕得罪这个怠慢那个的思想，就
是心理上的东亚病夫，有这种心理，走到哪里都是任人予取予夺的砧板上的肥肉。
另外，支持共和党不代表要反对民主党。扶植共和党的同时也要支持民主党里的亲华势
力。扶植共和党是棒子，支持民主党的亲华势力是甜枣。谁给利益多就投谁的票。这样
华人群体才有政治发言权。否则很容易被人利用，忙活半天自己利益没得到保障全为别
人做嫁衣裳。
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nmtycl (你们太有才了) 于 (Fri Apr 11 21:10:07 2014, 美东) 提到:
嗯，怀疑是伪造的。谁说话还注意呀，注意呀的。
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LDEP (LDEP) 于 (Fri Apr 11 21:24:53 2014, 美东) 提到:
原來這樣，看來樓主是通過造假輿論來要分裂吳先標和共和黨？ 吳不是最近號召投共
和黨麼？
這要是造假，吳可以找樓主麻煩了。
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spencer2006 (Spencer) 于 (Fri Apr 11 23:06:32 2014, 美东) 提到:
貌似伪造，太阴险了。
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Stella12 (Stella) 于 (Fri Apr 11 23:20:51 2014, 美东) 提到:
Well said. 对民主党太失望了。
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jerseyv (Vendetta) 于 (Fri Apr 11 23:51:39 2014, 美东) 提到:
“
这批不俱好意的人,有保守的共和党,也有自
由派的民主党人士—那些因为自己起初支持SCA5而羞愧不已, 现在又想在西裔/非裔和
亚裔之间煽风点火，来表明自己对西裔和非裔政客的随从是智慧的选择。
”
黑的能说成白的
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tonyxu (无斋主人) 于 (Sat Apr 12 00:07:29 2014, 美东) 提到:
这个Resolution原本是准备由Bob Huff与Leland Yee一起提出的。
Leland被抓了，Bob才自己提出。牵扯不到阴谋论吧！
另外对排华法案的道歉，原本民主党也推动过一次，怎么牵扯到亚裔与西裔对决上面？
这个弯子有点大。
真是吴老先生写的？
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ice2000 (ice) 于 (Sat Apr 12 00:10:49 2014, 美东) 提到:
这个贴应该是伪造的，我刚去80/20网站上找这个文章的英文版，没有找到！
http://80-20initiative.blogspot.com/
为了避免混乱，版主请删伪造贴！
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nanobug (nanobug) 于 (Sat Apr 12 00:52:50 2014, 美东) 提到:
Yes, there is NO email or blog post on English
version of this article. If it were true, someone
could have leaked an internal 80-20 memo which
should not be released to public.
If it were true, it indicates several things --
1. 80-20 does NOT have a good ground
operation in California, it is seriously
misinformed of reality in California;
2. 80-20 does NOT believe we can get rid of
DEM super majority due to this misinformation.
Again it will be WE THE PEOPLE (not 80-20 or any other
organization) who will decide how WE THE PEOPLE
vote on June 3rd 2014. No matter what happened,
WE THE PEOPLE will vote for Republican, because
WE THE PEOPLE had enough already!
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PAC8020 (8020) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:37:30 2014, 美东) 提到:
这是本信的英文版。这封信是想提醒大家SJR23可能会触发一场族裔冲突，而这场族裔
战争亚裔很难取胜，所以大家需要谨慎和警惕。吴先生不希望亚裔成为这场战争的牺牲
品。
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Dear Like-Minded:
See below for something (SJR23)* that many of us will like, perhaps
greatly. But let buyers beware! It is dangerous politics, we need to
play it smart!
As you may know Mei Mei is the wife of Senator Huff, who is CA's Senate
minority leaders and a politician. Up till a few weeks ago, the Republicans
in the CA legislature lived under the absolute rule of the Democrats who
had
more than 2/3 vote in both the Senate and the Assembly -- those of you who
have not been in politics are extremely unlikely to appreciate what that
means. All those ELECTED Republicans became non-persons. Nothing they
wanted to
do will be approved. All Republican sponsored bills would be "dead on
arrival", because the Dems don't even need a single Republican vote for
passing budget bills -- hence no aid pro quo, period.
How can a Party lose that badly? Who knows. None of them can be too
politically astute.
So finally, inspired by the effectiveness of Ch-Ams community in opposing
the SCA 5, it is beginning to play SMART politics -- supporting ChAm/AsAm
to drive a wedge between the Dem Party and AsAms -- fine, I want the Dems to
show more respect to us.
However, there is one thing that none of us should help, NOT EVEN
TOLERATE -- to let the those nuts in partisan politics to drive a wedge
between Hispanic/black communities and the AsAm community. BEWARE, some of
the folks behind that wedge
are liberals -- those who feel humiliated by their support of SCA 5 and want
to fan a fire between Hispanics/black and AsAms to justifying their past
slavish submittal to the Hispanic and black politicians.
Can Sen. Huff get his bill through? I don't know. I don't know enough
about CA legislature politics. But it is an apparent WEDGE to keep the fire
going between the ChAm community and the Democrats and there could also be
a hope that the black/hispanics senators and Assembly-person will boycott
this bill. DANGER. Don't take the bait. Unlike SCA 5, such a bill doesn'
t affect reality. Indeed, it can be brought up anytime. Let all the furies
on the Hispanic/black/Dem sides die down first.
80-20 has successfully played one party against another in the past and
in the SCA 5 campaign. Don't let ourselves be a pawn in other people's
partisan political games!!!!
BEWARE. BEWARE.
* SJR stands for Senate Joint Resolution, which means it needs to pass both
the CA Senate and the Assembly.
PS I am not charging Mrs. Huff with anything. I just want you to know that
politicians are always good at the "Divide and Conquer" game.
I will indeed continue to communicate respectfully with politicians on
both sides. I've recently initiated communicating with Dem leader about the
dangers of having the Hispanic/black politicians behaving too emotionally.
SB Woo
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rabbit38 (rabbit) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:44:26 2014, 美东) 提到:
不明白当时那几个亚裔民主党不是声势浩大的推排华法案的道歉，并且号称成功时，那
时候为什么从来没听说是加深族裔矛盾。现在共和党和亚裔走近点了，这些族裔的
CONCERN都纷纷冒出来了？不懂，求解。
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nanobug (nanobug) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:49:11 2014, 美东) 提到:
Your Chinese translation is doing 80-20
(an anti-SCA5 ally) a great damage. It
does not reflect the moderate tone by
Mr. Woo himself. Please remove the Chinese
version.
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spectrum805 (spectrum805) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:54:13 2014, 美东) 提到:
This is a particular sensitive time right now, as some Latino and Black
Caucus members were very upset that we stopped SCA5 for now, and they have
started to treat this as a racial thing. They withdrew endorsements to Sen.
Ted Lieu and stopped supporting a bill authored by Assemblymember Al
Muratsuchi.
Mr. Woo does not want to see the Asian Community be hurt by the racial war
and party politics.
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RideHome (MetroLink Industry) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:54:30 2014, 美东) 提到:
我建议你把中文删了吧，表达的感情色彩和英文差太远，参杂太多翻译者个人偏见，从
很多用词能看出来，不但表达不了吴先生的担忧和分析，只能引起看的人反感。
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RideHome (MetroLink Industry) 于 (Sat Apr 12 01:56:24 2014, 美东) 提到:
对，这个中文翻译太烂，完全不是一个意思，不知道是不是翻译的故意捣乱
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David1231 (戴老四) 于 (Sat Apr 12 02:38:58 2014, 美东) 提到:
SIGH
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taylorlee (轻型农民) 于 (Sat Apr 12 05:09:26 2014, 美东) 提到:
老黑劳模已经通过SCA5对亚裔宣战了，难道只有把自己应得的利益拱手相让才能平息“
种族战争”？
另外这个翻译的也和原文太不一样了，非常明显的，赤裸裸的歪曲英文的原意，楼主这
是欺负大家不懂英文？ 民主党的党棍们给主子做damage control的手段也太下三滥了
吧。
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garnetcrow (kikicoco) 于 (Sat Apr 12 09:42:40 2014, 美东) 提到:
你们未免忒天真了，他能伪造一个中文，怎么不会伪造英文了？
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 8.2.2
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tdb (help) 于 (Sat Apr 12 10:19:21 2014, 美东) 提到:
三反版主要骨干已经成功被民主党三反分部花重金收买了
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saltshaker (老马识途) 于 (Sat Apr 12 13:05:10 2014, 美东) 提到:
80-20 either 是民主党的一条狗 or 就是个笑话 |
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