K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 1 IMO, the most important thing is: better serves.
He is already the best returner. Unfortunately, his serves are
very weak. But this AO, his average 1st serve winning ratio is
almost always above 70%. This is excellent considering his
1st serve in% is very high (around 70%). His 2nd serves are
still weak, but that doesn't matter much.
So, after Nadal improved his serves, now Joker also did. |
w********u
发帖数: 1865 | 2 joker现在技术上全面来说几乎是最好的了。就看稳定性了。如果能有老费和纳豆的稳
定性，他还是能
辉煌一段的。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: IMO, the most important thing is: better serves.
: He is already the best returner. Unfortunately, his serves are
: very weak. But this AO, his average 1st serve winning ratio is
: almost always above 70%. This is excellent considering his
: 1st serve in% is very high (around 70%). His 2nd serves are
: still weak, but that doesn't matter much.
: So, after Nadal improved his serves, now Joker also did.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 3 I still think Nadal has the best overall skills.
Nadal's volley/overhead ability is almost as good as Federer.
【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: joker现在技术上全面来说几乎是最好的了。就看稳定性了。如果能有老费和纳豆的稳
: 定性，他还是能
: 辉煌一段的。
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 4 exactly!
this AO's overall broken percentage is very high.
so whoever has a better service game has a better chance.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: IMO, the most important thing is: better serves.
: He is already the best returner. Unfortunately, his serves are
: very weak. But this AO, his average 1st serve winning ratio is
: almost always above 70%. This is excellent considering his
: 1st serve in% is very high (around 70%). His 2nd serves are
: still weak, but that doesn't matter much.
: So, after Nadal improved his serves, now Joker also did.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 5 其实他们年纪都还小啊，都在成熟的过程中
比如李娜，我觉得这次她能翻盘真的让人很振奋啊
留着包子搞定kim再发lol
【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: joker现在技术上全面来说几乎是最好的了。就看稳定性了。如果能有老费和纳豆的稳
: 定性，他还是能
: 辉煌一段的。
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 6 hard to say.
because nadal only comes to net when the ball already comes short.
federer comes to net a lot often, even when it's not a real opportunity.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I still think Nadal has the best overall skills.
: Nadal's volley/overhead ability is almost as good as Federer.
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d**********9
发帖数: 5215 | 7 picking the rite time to come to net is also part of the skill. Maybe
personality matters. Risk takers might have a larger margin to define what a
real chance is.
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: hard to say.
: because nadal only comes to net when the ball already comes short.
: federer comes to net a lot often, even when it's not a real opportunity.
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a*****3
发帖数: 10373 | 8 mmm... I don't think so.
For sure, he had a better serve and served pretty good last night. But I don
't think it was the most important thing to win the match.
Like I said always, by looking at the serve winning ratio, you can't
determine it was due to good serves.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: IMO, the most important thing is: better serves.
: He is already the best returner. Unfortunately, his serves are
: very weak. But this AO, his average 1st serve winning ratio is
: almost always above 70%. This is excellent considering his
: 1st serve in% is very high (around 70%). His 2nd serves are
: still weak, but that doesn't matter much.
: So, after Nadal improved his serves, now Joker also did.
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a**s
发帖数: 9606 | 9 all all these top guys, winning is just a few shots here and there.
Even Federer lost 0:3, his overall points just 8 less than Joker.
All depends who play better at key points, not because who has
better skills since their skills are all in the same league
【在 w********u 的大作中提到】
: joker现在技术上全面来说几乎是最好的了。就看稳定性了。如果能有老费和纳豆的稳
: 定性，他还是能
: 辉煌一段的。
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L**F
发帖数: 615 | 10 Joke的发球原来就相当不错，你可以查一下他前几年的发球统计，比如一发二发速度，
进球率等。
只是去年改了发球动作，需要有一个过程来适应。现在他的发球又回来了。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: IMO, the most important thing is: better serves.
: He is already the best returner. Unfortunately, his serves are
: very weak. But this AO, his average 1st serve winning ratio is
: almost always above 70%. This is excellent considering his
: 1st serve in% is very high (around 70%). His 2nd serves are
: still weak, but that doesn't matter much.
: So, after Nadal improved his serves, now Joker also did.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 11 I believe even if Murray or Joker comes to the net when the
ball is short, they may still make a few UEs...
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: hard to say.
: because nadal only comes to net when the ball already comes short.
: federer comes to net a lot often, even when it's not a real opportunity.
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 12 true. no pain, no gain.
a
【在 d**********9 的大作中提到】
: picking the rite time to come to net is also part of the skill. Maybe
: personality matters. Risk takers might have a larger margin to define what a
: real chance is.
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 13 murray and joker also have superb hands.
i don't see much difference among them in this aspect.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I believe even if Murray or Joker comes to the net when the
: ball is short, they may still make a few UEs...
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L**F
发帖数: 615 | 14 Nadal的高压球打得的确不错，但是网前技术也就和德穆相当吧。就像楼上诸位说的，
他属于不见兔子不撒鹰的那种，绝大多数Volley难度都不大。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I believe even if Murray or Joker comes to the net when the
: ball is short, they may still make a few UEs...
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 15 I don't know how much you follow Murray, but if Murray has as
good volley/overhead skills as Nadal, he won't be nervous in
so many matches.
He was nervous because he is not confident about going to the net.
Under pressure he don't have another reliable game plan option.
The same goes with Joker. If his baseline doesn't work, there isn't
much he could do.
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: murray and joker also have superb hands.
: i don't see much difference among them in this aspect.
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w********r
发帖数: 1397 | 16 Agree. Joker had a better performance at most of the crucial shots when he n
eeded, however Fed fell short in this aspect during last night game.
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: all all these top guys, winning is just a few shots here and there.
: Even Federer lost 0:3, his overall points just 8 less than Joker.
: All depends who play better at key points, not because who has
: better skills since their skills are all in the same league
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 17 aglee!
电光火石亚
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: all all these top guys, winning is just a few shots here and there.
: Even Federer lost 0:3, his overall points just 8 less than Joker.
: All depends who play better at key points, not because who has
: better skills since their skills are all in the same league
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 18 do you think if nadal's baseline doesn't work, he'd have another plan option?
it's just that nadal's baseline almost never fails.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't know how much you follow Murray, but if Murray has as
: good volley/overhead skills as Nadal, he won't be nervous in
: so many matches.
: He was nervous because he is not confident about going to the net.
: Under pressure he don't have another reliable game plan option.
: The same goes with Joker. If his baseline doesn't work, there isn't
: much he could do.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 19 Nadal surely does. If he can't overpower the opponent, he often
serve wide or use forehand to setup a wide angle and rush to the
net. As long as the opponent doesn't hit a screaming running
forehand winner, Nadal almost always finish the volley point.
Murray had no solution for this as a counter-puncher (see Wimbledon
and WTF 2010).
Nadal also does drop shots followed by volley. He has very good
reflexes at the net.
option?
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: do you think if nadal's baseline doesn't work, he'd have another plan option?
: it's just that nadal's baseline almost never fails.
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L**F
发帖数: 615 | 20 Murray的网前技术还是不错的，我觉得甚至比Nadal还要好一些。 Murray的问题并不是
缺少game plan，（事实上他的战术变化很多），而是缺少稳定可靠的的主动得分手段
， 这一点往往在比赛中是致命的。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: I don't know how much you follow Murray, but if Murray has as
: good volley/overhead skills as Nadal, he won't be nervous in
: so many matches.
: He was nervous because he is not confident about going to the net.
: Under pressure he don't have another reliable game plan option.
: The same goes with Joker. If his baseline doesn't work, there isn't
: much he could do.
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 21 我觉得小德的柔韧性很好啊，
和小克有一比。
男人有这么好柔韧性的不多见啊。 |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 22 dolgopolov!! lol
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得小德的柔韧性很好啊，
: 和小克有一比。
: 男人有这么好柔韧性的不多见啊。
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S***e
发帖数: 4426 | 23 that's only because nadal has better baseline shot, which gives
him a easier volley. nothing about the volley skill.
i think under pressure (i.e., one was brought to net by the opponent)
nadal, murray, joker, or even federer have similar volley skills.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Nadal surely does. If he can't overpower the opponent, he often
: serve wide or use forehand to setup a wide angle and rush to the
: net. As long as the opponent doesn't hit a screaming running
: forehand winner, Nadal almost always finish the volley point.
: Murray had no solution for this as a counter-puncher (see Wimbledon
: and WTF 2010).
: Nadal also does drop shots followed by volley. He has very good
: reflexes at the net.
:
: option?
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w********u
发帖数: 1865 | 24 昨天老费关键球拿不下，是因为joker在底线占据了主动，joker现在底线能力确实比老
费要强了。
【在 a**s 的大作中提到】
: all all these top guys, winning is just a few shots here and there.
: Even Federer lost 0:3, his overall points just 8 less than Joker.
: All depends who play better at key points, not because who has
: better skills since their skills are all in the same league
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 25 Nadal少年老成，很镇静坚定，神经和肌肉一样强大，呵呵
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: that's only because nadal has better baseline shot, which gives
: him a easier volley. nothing about the volley skill.
: i think under pressure (i.e., one was brought to net by the opponent)
: nadal, murray, joker, or even federer have similar volley skills.
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K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 26 Murray lost a set to Dolgopolov because he was out of tricks.
At a point Dolgo was so consistent that Murray started to make
UEs. Murray tried to push first. He did a 36-stroke rally with
Dolgo but still lost the point. He then tried to S&V but got
passed a couple of time. He then hit an overhead to the net,
hit another one so weak that passed immediately by Dolgo. Eventually
he lost in the tiebreak.
This is one example why I say Murray is not confident with his
volleys. Actually his racket is too heavy to be good at volleying.
It's customed to be a baseline racket.
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: that's only because nadal has better baseline shot, which gives
: him a easier volley. nothing about the volley skill.
: i think under pressure (i.e., one was brought to net by the opponent)
: nadal, murray, joker, or even federer have similar volley skills.
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b**k
发帖数: 11850 | 27 Murry is in general not confident when he has to attack aggressively.
But he's getting better at it.
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Murray lost a set to Dolgopolov because he was out of tricks.
: At a point Dolgo was so consistent that Murray started to make
: UEs. Murray tried to push first. He did a 36-stroke rally with
: Dolgo but still lost the point. He then tried to S&V but got
: passed a couple of time. He then hit an overhead to the net,
: hit another one so weak that passed immediately by Dolgo. Eventually
: he lost in the tiebreak.
: This is one example why I say Murray is not confident with his
: volleys. Actually his racket is too heavy to be good at volleying.
: It's customed to be a baseline racket.
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L**F
发帖数: 615 | 28 是啊，都不如 Llodra。 不过费的网前还是强不少的，比如对落点的控制比其他三人更
好一点。
费在网前的问题是缺乏上网的直觉和灵感，尤其是在网前的预判能力上， 这可能和他
实战中不经常上网有关。
【在 S***e 的大作中提到】
: that's only because nadal has better baseline shot, which gives
: him a easier volley. nothing about the volley skill.
: i think under pressure (i.e., one was brought to net by the opponent)
: nadal, murray, joker, or even federer have similar volley skills.
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d**f
发帖数: 293 | 29 我觉得都不是技术问题，是状态, 即体能。昨天相持球费费基本上拚不过久客，回合一
多,费费就输, 而且正手也显得力量不够. |
n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 30 Tim海曼和桑神之后,基本没上网高手了,费德勒这方面算剩下的人之中高手了. |
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w******n
发帖数: 13172 | 31 其实Murray输那一盘很正常，最后赢更正常。他的打法就是防守反击，根据对手的打法
来counter-attack。破落夫用的皮鞋剑法太诡异，Murray一上来没动明白，也就无从反
击了。不过皮鞋剑法毕竟是邪派，就那么几招，Murray后来就搞明白了，然后就打的很
有针对性，赢了就很正常了。
Murray的问题就是没有自己的进攻风格，不能在困难的情况下以我为主，没有屡试不爽
的杀手锏。
【在 K****D 的大作中提到】
: Murray lost a set to Dolgopolov because he was out of tricks.
: At a point Dolgo was so consistent that Murray started to make
: UEs. Murray tried to push first. He did a 36-stroke rally with
: Dolgo but still lost the point. He then tried to S&V but got
: passed a couple of time. He then hit an overhead to the net,
: hit another one so weak that passed immediately by Dolgo. Eventually
: he lost in the tiebreak.
: This is one example why I say Murray is not confident with his
: volleys. Actually his racket is too heavy to be good at volleying.
: It's customed to be a baseline racket.
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n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | |
K****D
发帖数: 30533 | 33 Federer is actually very good, not worse than Sampras IMHO...
Sampras does the smash well, but that's just for entertainment
purposes, hehe. He also misses easy volleys.
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: Tim海曼和桑神之后,基本没上网高手了,费德勒这方面算剩下的人之中高手了.
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