b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 1 今天WTA决赛几乎没有一个真正高质量的Inside out forehand。或者说几乎没有inside
out forehand。 |
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 2 Halep总算有一个。
inside
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 今天WTA决赛几乎没有一个真正高质量的Inside out forehand。或者说几乎没有inside
: out forehand。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 3 还是不一样啊，底线rally可能看不出来，对手上网你看看正手inside out容易穿越还
是反手容易穿越？肯定正手容易些，尤其是球比较高的时候。 |
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 4 穿越对我来说能够反手就反手，双反dipping比较准，还有机会打下一拍。
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 还是不一样啊，底线rally可能看不出来，对手上网你看看正手inside out容易穿越还
: 是反手容易穿越？肯定正手容易些，尤其是球比较高的时候。
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b*****i
发帖数: 318 | 5 FYI Lisicki does a lot run around forehand |
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 6 yes, I saw it. She made too many insideout FH errors when playing 杨科。
In other words, most WTA players don't need inside out FH and still perform
well.
【在 b*****i 的大作中提到】
: FYI Lisicki does a lot run around forehand
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b*****i
发帖数: 318 | 7 my point is she still use/practice it:) |
d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 8 那你牛，我反手就根本不会打dipping。
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 穿越对我来说能够反手就反手，双反dipping比较准，还有机会打下一拍。
|
s***e
发帖数: 7166 | 9 啥叫DIPPING？
【在 d*g 的大作中提到】
: 那你牛，我反手就根本不会打dipping。
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d*g
发帖数: 16592 | 10 过网急坠
【在 s***e 的大作中提到】
: 啥叫DIPPING？
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 11 纸面上可以， 不过现实中不大可能。。。 Kei 和 Joker的双反算是ATP中的top了，
他们也都尽量run around hit insideout... 正手insideout/insidein的角度比反手要
大 （or same angle easier)....
至于穿越， 如果对手的approach 你能run around 打正手， he has no business
coming in....
inside
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 今天WTA决赛几乎没有一个真正高质量的Inside out forehand。或者说几乎没有inside
: out forehand。
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 12 我想蜜蜂的意思是，wta水平低点，更接近wsn，虽然仍然比wsn高多了。
既然wta都不怎么需要run around forehand,那么wsn就更不需要了。
从物理角度“正手insideout/insidein的角度比反手要大”只怕是不成立的。但正手更
灵活，练习更多，力量更大，所以run around forehand比可以更快，更具进攻性。可
是given wsn跑速，其实反手角度打好了，也差不多够了。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: 纸面上可以， 不过现实中不大可能。。。 Kei 和 Joker的双反算是ATP中的top了，
: 他们也都尽量run around hit insideout... 正手insideout/insidein的角度比反手要
: 大 （or same angle easier)....
: 至于穿越， 如果对手的approach 你能run around 打正手， he has no business
: coming in....
:
: inside
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 13 总结得太好了。
从技术角度来讲，wsn run around到doubles alley打一个wide angle forehand是一个
high risky的技术活，估计我的失误率是60%以上。
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 我想蜜蜂的意思是，wta水平低点，更接近wsn，虽然仍然比wsn高多了。
: 既然wta都不怎么需要run around forehand,那么wsn就更不需要了。
: 从物理角度“正手insideout/insidein的角度比反手要大”只怕是不成立的。但正手更
: 灵活，练习更多，力量更大，所以run around forehand比可以更快，更具进攻性。可
: 是given wsn跑速，其实反手角度打好了，也差不多够了。
|
b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 14 我的感觉是，网上很多教材叫你yy老废那种run around:侧身，后退好几步，然后猛抽
一下。那么纯粹坑人。wsn的步伐，判断力，爆发力差太远。如果就是侧身同时后退一
步还是有可能模仿的，基本上如果对方球对你左肩来，而且不很快的话，还是可能的。
再偏的话，还是老老实实打反手。
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 总结得太好了。
: 从技术角度来讲，wsn run around到doubles alley打一个wide angle forehand是一个
: high risky的技术活，估计我的失误率是60%以上。
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 15 女子正反手的击球速度和稳定差别没男子那么大，所以inside out的优势不大。再说女
子移动方面不如男子迅速。
也就是说，反手好的确是减少了inside out的必要性。 |
b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 16 "wta水平低点，更接近wsn"
虽然你没说错，但我对此有不同的结论。 首先我觉得不能片面的说因为水平低所以不
需要run around.wta run around少主要是一下几个原因。WSN该参照这些来考虑是否该
run around.
-步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp
-正反手比较平均
-wta 的球比较偏向平快
"-步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp" 和 “-wta 的球比较偏向平快”是相符的。 WSN 虽然
步伐移动也不如wta, 但对手的球更不如wta 的球快平。所以从时间的相对上来说， 很
多 WSN 用来 run around 的时间比wta的多。
“-正反手比较平均”
从我的limited experience来说， 大多数wsn的正手远强于反手。
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 我想蜜蜂的意思是，wta水平低点，更接近wsn，虽然仍然比wsn高多了。
: 既然wta都不怎么需要run around forehand,那么wsn就更不需要了。
: 从物理角度“正手insideout/insidein的角度比反手要大”只怕是不成立的。但正手更
: 灵活，练习更多，力量更大，所以run around forehand比可以更快，更具进攻性。可
: 是given wsn跑速，其实反手角度打好了，也差不多够了。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 17 “网上很多教材叫你yy老废那种run around:侧身，后退好几步，然后猛抽一下。那么
纯粹坑人。"
这和叫WSN不要学atp 而去学wsn的口号性质差不多。
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 我的感觉是，网上很多教材叫你yy老废那种run around:侧身，后退好几步，然后猛抽
: 一下。那么纯粹坑人。wsn的步伐，判断力，爆发力差太远。如果就是侧身同时后退一
: 步还是有可能模仿的，基本上如果对方球对你左肩来，而且不很快的话，还是可能的。
: 再偏的话，还是老老实实打反手。
|
b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 18 还有一种情况，如果是中场浅球，假如是一个floater (我有足够时间run around
forehand), 我如果用双反approach可以打出很wide的角度，而且很有信心成功率高。
如果我run around forehand inside out approach, 打出的角度要么不大容易失位，
要么压不下来容易出边界。在底线附近(doubles alley)附近打inside out 正手也有这
样的问题。你有过这样的问题吗？
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "wta水平低点，更接近wsn"
: 虽然你没说错，但我对此有不同的结论。 首先我觉得不能片面的说因为水平低所以不
: 需要run around.wta run around少主要是一下几个原因。WSN该参照这些来考虑是否该
: run around.
: -步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp
: -正反手比较平均
: -wta 的球比较偏向平快
: "-步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp" 和 “-wta 的球比较偏向平快”是相符的。 WSN 虽然
: 步伐移动也不如wta, 但对手的球更不如wta 的球快平。所以从时间的相对上来说， 很
: 多 WSN 用来 run around 的时间比wta的多。
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 19 I have the same question.
So the correct way is a few shuffle steps and then semi open stance like
this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmPx2jinUg
This one below is incorrect, right? (I don't like back steps either, it
feels so awkward)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVT1z_ZbaEQ
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: “网上很多教材叫你yy老废那种run around:侧身，后退好几步，然后猛抽一下。那么
: 纯粹坑人。"
: 这和叫WSN不要学atp 而去学wsn的口号性质差不多。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 20 “如果是中场浅球”
是指 near service line T area... I would never hit a bh on those.
如果是指浅floater球 near the alley; 我和你相反，正手可以随便打， 反手往往打
出的角度不够sharp 轻松被对手block/chip dtl. 所以我常常是后悔自己太懒， 没有
run around.... 所以有些东西还是和自己本身的水平有关吧。我现在如果run around
的时间比较紧， 我会drill it dtl and approach the net. 我的sharp angle cc 打
的不是那么好， 稍微有偏差对手很容易pop dtl 让我从主动为被动，或直接丢分。
dtl approach 我只少再网前还有次机会， 并且也force 对手hit a good shot.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 还有一种情况，如果是中场浅球，假如是一个floater (我有足够时间run around
: forehand), 我如果用双反approach可以打出很wide的角度，而且很有信心成功率高。
: 如果我run around forehand inside out approach, 打出的角度要么不大容易失位，
: 要么压不下来容易出边界。在底线附近(doubles alley)附近打inside out 正手也有这
: 样的问题。你有过这样的问题吗？
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 21 no, the 2nd one, the one you think that's incorrect is actually the correct
one.
2nd one is not the same as the "incorrect one" the first one try to imitate.
Notice 2nd one is turn side way and run backwards, where the incorrect one
in the 1st video is turn side ways and shuffle. It's a HUGE difference.
You'll see Nadal, Nishiroki uses 2nd way almost all the time. You'll see Fed
used the side shuffle step a bit more often... My take is if you don't have
to take too many steps, 1st way is fine. Personally I would prefer the 2nd
way at all time, because tennis is about moving forward, when you run
backwards like that you'll move ALOT faster than side shuffle, and you will
have time to step forward to hit that inside out/in. Where for side shuffle
around, often WSN may get caught hitting off balance.... wsn's timing,
spacing, anticipation talent is a bit far off compare to Federer's.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I have the same question.
: So the correct way is a few shuffle steps and then semi open stance like
: this:
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmPx2jinUg
: This one below is incorrect, right? (I don't like back steps either, it
: feels so awkward)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVT1z_ZbaEQ
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 22 you are right, it may not feel as natural when you first tried it. It does
take practice. I used to practice with my buddy, but we don't do it anymore.
.. we should though... too lazy, we just stick with something even more
basic, stand there and do the drop feeds lol.
correct
imitate.
one
Fed
have
2nd
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: no, the 2nd one, the one you think that's incorrect is actually the correct
: one.
: 2nd one is not the same as the "incorrect one" the first one try to imitate.
: Notice 2nd one is turn side way and run backwards, where the incorrect one
: in the 1st video is turn side ways and shuffle. It's a HUGE difference.
: You'll see Nadal, Nishiroki uses 2nd way almost all the time. You'll see Fed
: used the side shuffle step a bit more often... My take is if you don't have
: to take too many steps, 1st way is fine. Personally I would prefer the 2nd
: way at all time, because tennis is about moving forward, when you run
: backwards like that you'll move ALOT faster than side shuffle, and you will
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 23 So this one is also incorrect (or inefficient), right?
http://lockandrolltennis.com/forehand/inside-out-inside-tin-for
I just need to stick to one to practice the footwork.
anymore.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: you are right, it may not feel as natural when you first tried it. It does
: take practice. I used to practice with my buddy, but we don't do it anymore.
: .. we should though... too lazy, we just stick with something even more
: basic, stand there and do the drop feeds lol.
:
: correct
: imitate.
: one
: Fed
: have
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 24 you are right, i do not think this guy's footwork is efficient. Notice how
he's still moving away from the ball as he hit that inside out/in. If he's
tick late, he'll have to compensate by getting the upper body falling back
or lift up the arm to pull the ball.
Notice how the black dude is set and balanced as he hit his. You can youtube
nadal or nishikori inside out, see how they run and how their balance is
when they hit theirs. Most of time it's either set balance or lean forward
into the shot. #2 is advance stuff :) #1 is wsn stuff as it pretty natural
for those who plays a lot tennis.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: So this one is also incorrect (or inefficient), right?
: http://lockandrolltennis.com/forehand/inside-out-inside-tin-for
: I just need to stick to one to practice the footwork.
:
: anymore.
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d****t
发帖数: 1284 | 25 这还要看你反手dtl的质量。如果你反手只能打cross court，那不如打正手inside out
， 这样你对手两边都要防，如果你反手打不好dtl， 那你的对手只要压cross court就
行了。
inside
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 今天WTA决赛几乎没有一个真正高质量的Inside out forehand。或者说几乎没有inside
: out forehand。
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a*****0
发帖数: 6788 | 26
没啥绝对的对与错。 这个和个人习惯有关系。 有的人习惯于开放式正手，或侧向移动
特别好，那第一个video里的螃蟹式比较适合。 有的人对闭合式正手更有感觉， 或退
步很灵活，那第二个video里的虾米式后退更容易。
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I have the same question.
: So the correct way is a few shuffle steps and then semi open stance like
: this:
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LYmPx2jinUg
: This one below is incorrect, right? (I don't like back steps either, it
: feels so awkward)
: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVT1z_ZbaEQ
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 27 赞螃蟹和虾米，非常生动的形容!
【在 a*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: 没啥绝对的对与错。 这个和个人习惯有关系。 有的人习惯于开放式正手，或侧向移动
: 特别好，那第一个video里的螃蟹式比较适合。 有的人对闭合式正手更有感觉， 或退
: 步很灵活，那第二个video里的虾米式后退更容易。
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g*****y
发帖数: 7271 | 28 Federer好像经常有这个动作啊，尤其是右脚kick back。
youtube
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: you are right, i do not think this guy's footwork is efficient. Notice how
: he's still moving away from the ball as he hit that inside out/in. If he's
: tick late, he'll have to compensate by getting the upper body falling back
: or lift up the arm to pull the ball.
: Notice how the black dude is set and balanced as he hit his. You can youtube
: nadal or nishikori inside out, see how they run and how their balance is
: when they hit theirs. Most of time it's either set balance or lean forward
: into the shot. #2 is advance stuff :) #1 is wsn stuff as it pretty natural
: for those who plays a lot tennis.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 29 yea, i see Federer does this more often than other players, and it is still
a good shot when execute well. My claim is this is a more difficult shot to
execute in term of timing, especially when you are a bit tired.
One way to look at it is turn and run backward is more of brute force way as
it may be easier to train footwork vs timing.
I would also think we'll see less of this in the younger generation and more
of #2 type of run around in the future tennis. As for WSN, between the 2, I
would say pick whatever is comfortable. If you are young and have quick
feet, I would suggest try both and pick one yourself. As of now, I'm
picking #2.
【在 g*****y 的大作中提到】
: Federer好像经常有这个动作啊，尤其是右脚kick back。
:
: youtube
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 30 Great, thanks. I will try to get used to this #2 footwork and hopefully can
improve insideout FH.
I have another problem. If my opponent is at the net and I am trying to hit
a passing shot, I can usually create very wide angles either FH or BH. If
nobody is at net, my inside out FH tend to float too wide off the sideline.
Not sure if anyone has this problem before and how do I solve it.
still
to
as
more
I
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: yea, i see Federer does this more often than other players, and it is still
: a good shot when execute well. My claim is this is a more difficult shot to
: execute in term of timing, especially when you are a bit tired.
: One way to look at it is turn and run backward is more of brute force way as
: it may be easier to train footwork vs timing.
: I would also think we'll see less of this in the younger generation and more
: of #2 type of run around in the future tennis. As for WSN, between the 2, I
: would say pick whatever is comfortable. If you are young and have quick
: feet, I would suggest try both and pick one yourself. As of now, I'm
: picking #2.
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 31 我试验过第2种步伐，总的来说，在后退过程中对球的定位和timing更难。所以我觉得
用反手更划算，这是从roi角度来说的。
can
hit
.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Great, thanks. I will try to get used to this #2 footwork and hopefully can
: improve insideout FH.
: I have another problem. If my opponent is at the net and I am trying to hit
: a passing shot, I can usually create very wide angles either FH or BH. If
: nobody is at net, my inside out FH tend to float too wide off the sideline.
: Not sure if anyone has this problem before and how do I solve it.
:
: still
: to
: as
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 32 你说的都有道理，可是你这里面有个漏洞：你认为wsn球慢，所以run around相对于wta
更划算。要知道run around全套动作的时间不由球的快慢决定，还有反映时间呢？职业
运动员光一个正手就先挥拍几万下，每个球路的对应都练习的无数遍，她们在对方挥拍
的时候就猜到球要哪里来了。另外很多4.0/4。5的wsn球速也很快，总之wsn作run
around不一定多。
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: "wta水平低点，更接近wsn"
: 虽然你没说错，但我对此有不同的结论。 首先我觉得不能片面的说因为水平低所以不
: 需要run around.wta run around少主要是一下几个原因。WSN该参照这些来考虑是否该
: run around.
: -步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp
: -正反手比较平均
: -wta 的球比较偏向平快
: "-步伐，移动，灵活度不如atp" 和 “-wta 的球比较偏向平快”是相符的。 WSN 虽然
: 步伐移动也不如wta, 但对手的球更不如wta 的球快平。所以从时间的相对上来说， 很
: 多 WSN 用来 run around 的时间比wta的多。
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 33 I tried shadow footwork today. Back steps feels more natural to me now.
another question. what's the first recovery step after you hit inside out
forehand? left foot cross back step?
anymore.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: you are right, i do not think this guy's footwork is efficient. Notice how
: he's still moving away from the ball as he hit that inside out/in. If he's
: tick late, he'll have to compensate by getting the upper body falling back
: or lift up the arm to pull the ball.
: Notice how the black dude is set and balanced as he hit his. You can youtube
: nadal or nishikori inside out, see how they run and how their balance is
: when they hit theirs. Most of time it's either set balance or lean forward
: into the shot. #2 is advance stuff :) #1 is wsn stuff as it pretty natural
: for those who plays a lot tennis.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 34 didn't see your stroke on this particular shot, but my guess is your
footwork is the #1 type, and you didn't get to the proper spot on time, thus
you compensate by side swipe more, result in the ball curves to the right
as you hit it. So if you were "aim" to hit near the sideline it will curve/
float wide.
I notice I do this often when I get tired. So late in the match i'll just
aim a bit more toward the center for those inside out to compensate lack/
lazy footwork.
Also if you do the #2 footwork, you should have less of this type of
occurrence.
can
hit
.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: Great, thanks. I will try to get used to this #2 footwork and hopefully can
: improve insideout FH.
: I have another problem. If my opponent is at the net and I am trying to hit
: a passing shot, I can usually create very wide angles either FH or BH. If
: nobody is at net, my inside out FH tend to float too wide off the sideline.
: Not sure if anyone has this problem before and how do I solve it.
:
: still
: to
: as
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 35 yes, if that's the case for you, maybe you should just stick with backhand.
But base on my experience roi is much higher if I ran around with #2.
Everyone is different. :)
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: 我试验过第2种步伐，总的来说，在后退过程中对球的定位和timing更难。所以我觉得
: 用反手更划算，这是从roi角度来说的。
:
: can
: hit
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 36 "另外很多4.0/4。5的wsn球速也很快"
sure, they are capable of, but not for average rally speed. Kinda hard to
quantify this, (reaction time + stroke time + movement time) / (ball travel
time), my assumption is reaction time and stroke time is in unit of mSec,
where is movement time and ball travel time is in unit of Sec. Would be
interesting if you can create a model or do a thesis on this. :)
With that said, I saw the HL of Halep vs JJ. I thought both had more
opportunity to run around. I would guess this has to do with the typical
pattern they practice and more familiar with. Most of time when Halep ran
around, she won the point. JJ seems to like to drive that ball dtl with BH.
She has bandage on her thigh, so maybe her movement is a bit hampered, thus
ran around less. Both are hitting with a lot more topspin than what I
recall from WTA. I thought Halep could have hit more swing volley... she
seems to like to let it bounce and hit off the rise....
wta
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 你说的都有道理，可是你这里面有个漏洞：你认为wsn球慢，所以run around相对于wta
: 更划算。要知道run around全套动作的时间不由球的快慢决定，还有反映时间呢？职业
: 运动员光一个正手就先挥拍几万下，每个球路的对应都练习的无数遍，她们在对方挥拍
: 的时候就猜到球要哪里来了。另外很多4.0/4。5的wsn球速也很快，总之wsn作run
: around不一定多。
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 37 yes, get the left foot cross over behind the right, then side shuffle 1 or 2
steps, then split for the next shot.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: I tried shadow footwork today. Back steps feels more natural to me now.
: another question. what's the first recovery step after you hit inside out
: forehand? left foot cross back step?
:
: anymore.
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 38 great stuff! I haven't practiced on the court yet, but by just doing shadow
footwork, I feel that I have already improved. This also applies to my
forehand approach shot, which I need to take racquet back early and stay
side way.
2
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: yes, get the left foot cross over behind the right, then side shuffle 1 or 2
: steps, then split for the next shot.
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 39 黑导的指导太有效了! 今天带着黑导的tip, 室内联赛战胜了俱乐部联赛头号选手4.5暴
力男。該4.5暴力男以前曾经给过我双蛋，这次竟然被我7-5, 6-1打败。提前30分钟到
俱乐部，恰好该场地有空，self drop练了inside out的步伐。结果比赛时因为对手太
暴力，我只有机会打出一个inside out FH, 而且是没有用back steps那种。但侧身后
的close stance让我正手outside in cross court 信心十足。加上底线站位和防守稳
定，对手在第二盘彻底崩溃，拍子摔掉好几次。分享几个技术/战术要点。
1. 对手回我deuce court slice serve DTL失误无数。deuce court我就盯着他正手发
，拿到很多cheap point。
2. 我serve & volley 三次，因为对手回球太暴力，都失误了。
3. 陷入moonball rally三次， 我都采用打一个反手moonball, 然后上网的战术，最好
是delayed上网。第一次对手回一个medium difficult lob, 我makable overhead失误
了。第二次我easy forehand high volley winner。 第三次对手正手直接抽飞。
4. 我有三个double faults，但我二发不软，kick或spin还不错，对手站不了便宜。
5. 我反手防对手inside out不错， 来不及双反时slice的质量比较高。
6. 我接发球发挥不错，上次看了一个视频，imaginary rectangular area, 不求边角
，只求深重。
胜不骄败不急，在第一盘5-5, 15-40的时候我守住两个破发点。相反对手每次失误都显
得很暴躁。当然，这次对手没有发挥应有的水平。前几次我跟一个4.5稳定男我一般都
是1-6,0-6输的。该4.5稳定男总会给我各种球最后我正手位的footwork彻底乱了。下次
争取能够再接再厉，提高正手footwork和技术，跟4.5稳定男打得再接近些。
2
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: yes, get the left foot cross over behind the right, then side shuffle 1 or 2
: steps, then split for the next shot.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 40 恭喜！！！ 别给我戴高帽， you did all the hard works and deserves all the
credit. :) Nice win!!!
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 黑导的指导太有效了! 今天带着黑导的tip, 室内联赛战胜了俱乐部联赛头号选手4.5暴
: 力男。該4.5暴力男以前曾经给过我双蛋，这次竟然被我7-5, 6-1打败。提前30分钟到
: 俱乐部，恰好该场地有空，self drop练了inside out的步伐。结果比赛时因为对手太
: 暴力，我只有机会打出一个inside out FH, 而且是没有用back steps那种。但侧身后
: 的close stance让我正手outside in cross court 信心十足。加上底线站位和防守稳
: 定，对手在第二盘彻底崩溃，拍子摔掉好几次。分享几个技术/战术要点。
: 1. 对手回我deuce court slice serve DTL失误无数。deuce court我就盯着他正手发
: ，拿到很多cheap point。
: 2. 我serve & volley 三次，因为对手回球太暴力，都失误了。
: 3. 陷入moonball rally三次， 我都采用打一个反手moonball, 然后上网的战术，最好
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b**********s
发帖数: 9531 | 41 恭喜阿，蜜蜂也4.5了
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 黑导的指导太有效了! 今天带着黑导的tip, 室内联赛战胜了俱乐部联赛头号选手4.5暴
: 力男。該4.5暴力男以前曾经给过我双蛋，这次竟然被我7-5, 6-1打败。提前30分钟到
: 俱乐部，恰好该场地有空，self drop练了inside out的步伐。结果比赛时因为对手太
: 暴力，我只有机会打出一个inside out FH, 而且是没有用back steps那种。但侧身后
: 的close stance让我正手outside in cross court 信心十足。加上底线站位和防守稳
: 定，对手在第二盘彻底崩溃，拍子摔掉好几次。分享几个技术/战术要点。
: 1. 对手回我deuce court slice serve DTL失误无数。deuce court我就盯着他正手发
: ，拿到很多cheap point。
: 2. 我serve & volley 三次，因为对手回球太暴力，都失误了。
: 3. 陷入moonball rally三次， 我都采用打一个反手moonball, 然后上网的战术，最好
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 42 没有啊，还是USTA 4.0， 只是偶尔状态好对手状态差以弱胜强。前几次都被4.5稳定男
大饼油条。希望今年夏天能练成稳定正手在4.0 usta league有好的战绩。
【在 b**********s 的大作中提到】
: 恭喜阿，蜜蜂也4.5了
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 43 如果球不是特别靠近ad court边线，比如在ad区1/2处，你觉得neutral stance (
square stance 90度)容易打两个角 (inside out 或inside in), 还是 semi open
stance (45度) 容易瞄准？看电视上男pro一般用semi open stance较多。
anymore.
【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: you are right, i do not think this guy's footwork is efficient. Notice how
: he's still moving away from the ball as he hit that inside out/in. If he's
: tick late, he'll have to compensate by getting the upper body falling back
: or lift up the arm to pull the ball.
: Notice how the black dude is set and balanced as he hit his. You can youtube
: nadal or nishikori inside out, see how they run and how their balance is
: when they hit theirs. Most of time it's either set balance or lean forward
: into the shot. #2 is advance stuff :) #1 is wsn stuff as it pretty natural
: for those who plays a lot tennis.
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b*********s
发帖数: 6757 | 44 it should be semi open stance. Keep in mind, because of you are running
around the center of the bisect angle is no longer directly across the net (
"center" of the court is now moved further to opponent's ad court, and
because of this it may look a bit like neutral stance.
【在 b*e 的大作中提到】
: 如果球不是特别靠近ad court边线，比如在ad区1/2处，你觉得neutral stance (
: square stance 90度)容易打两个角 (inside out 或inside in), 还是 semi open
: stance (45度) 容易瞄准？看电视上男pro一般用semi open stance较多。
:
: anymore.
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b*e
发帖数: 3845 | 45 嗯。在看Pospisil和Del Potro的比赛重放，两种不同风格inside out FH步伐的较量，
的确比较喜欢Pospisil用的后退式步伐。
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【在 b*********s 的大作中提到】
: it should be semi open stance. Keep in mind, because of you are running
: around the center of the bisect angle is no longer directly across the net (
: "center" of the court is now moved further to opponent's ad court, and
: because of this it may look a bit like neutral stance.
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