w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 1 I preflop raised 3.5 BB with pocket KK, someone reraised me 3 times my bet.
I think for a while and folded.
I think the chance he was AA was high enough for me to fold, and if he had pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and that would be tough for me to decide.
Was I wrong? | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 hard to say, but safe for you.
3.5BB? the way that ppl play in AC might be diff. for such a hand, or even
QQ, JJ, TT, ppl would normally bet $15-30 (depends on position) in 1/2NL
game, which is 7.5-15 times BB. some agrressive ppl would even bet so much
on 88, 77, 66 since they can't afford to let others see flop.
so if you play with me in AC with such a "small" raise, 50% chance i would
re-raise you as the other guy did. most ppl here with KK would definitely
call the re-raise and see flop at l
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I preflop raised 3.5 BB with pocket KK, someone reraised me 3 times my bet.
: I think for a while and folded.
: I think the chance he was AA was high enough for me to fold, and if he had pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and that would be tough for me to decide.
: Was I wrong?
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 3 man...
pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is
likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and
that would be tough for me to decide.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I preflop raised 3.5 BB with pocket KK, someone reraised me 3 times my bet.
: I think for a while and folded.
: I think the chance he was AA was high enough for me to fold, and if he had pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and that would be tough for me to decide.
: Was I wrong?
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 4 Yes, I noticed this difference.
For online cash game, the standard preflop raise is 3.5 BB.
I read from you guys' posts that live poker has much higher raise. That's
what I meant the same action has different meaning in online poker vs live
poker.
I think it is due to slowness in dealing cards in live poker.Online you may
play 5 times more hand than in live poker for the same period. So you can
always give up some opportunities and wait for the next one. In live poker
you just can't afford let
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hard to say, but safe for you.
: 3.5BB? the way that ppl play in AC might be diff. for such a hand, or even
: QQ, JJ, TT, ppl would normally bet $15-30 (depends on position) in 1/2NL
: game, which is 7.5-15 times BB. some agrressive ppl would even bet so much
: on 88, 77, 66 since they can't afford to let others see flop.
: so if you play with me in AC with such a "small" raise, 50% chance i would
: re-raise you as the other guy did. most ppl here with KK would definitely
: call the re-raise and see flop at l
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 I just watch 插一腿's vedio playing $3/$6 cash game at fulltilt.
http://www.screencast.com/t/S8mHwaBY
But the link no longer works now.
He is regarded as playing too aggressive in MTT and SNG, but in cash game he
played more conservative than I thought, more conservative even than my
play.
At the button he had AJ but folded to a 3.5 BB preflop raise.Even I would call.
BTW, he played well and made $300 into $1200 in one hour.
In another hand, he had pocket AA, raised to $21 preflop and a guy with KK | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 6 well, AJ is a major sucker to call a tight player's preflop raise...
You may end up losing a lot of money if you flop an ace or J. I'd call
a raise with AJ only against aggressive or super aggressive players.
he
call.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I just watch 插一腿's vedio playing $3/$6 cash game at fulltilt.
: http://www.screencast.com/t/S8mHwaBY
: But the link no longer works now.
: He is regarded as playing too aggressive in MTT and SNG, but in cash game he
: played more conservative than I thought, more conservative even than my
: play.
: At the button he had AJ but folded to a 3.5 BB preflop raise.Even I would call.
: BTW, he played well and made $300 into $1200 in one hour.
: In another hand, he had pocket AA, raised to $21 preflop and a guy with KK
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 7 if you are going to fold a big reraise with KK, you'd better limp with KK,
so you can call a raise and try to hit trips, hehe. man, you played KK
like I am playing 88...
pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is
likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and
that would be tough for me to : Was I wrong?
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I preflop raised 3.5 BB with pocket KK, someone reraised me 3 times my bet.
: I think for a while and folded.
: I think the chance he was AA was high enough for me to fold, and if he had pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and that would be tough for me to decide.
: Was I wrong?
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 8 i don't play aj in a raised pot unless its suited...
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: well, AJ is a major sucker to call a tight player's preflop raise...
: You may end up losing a lot of money if you flop an ace or J. I'd call
: a raise with AJ only against aggressive or super aggressive players.
:
: he
: call.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 9 and my 22...
is
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: if you are going to fold a big reraise with KK, you'd better limp with KK,
: so you can call a raise and try to hit trips, hehe. man, you played KK
: like I am playing 88...
:
: pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is
: likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and
: that would be tough for me to : Was I wrong?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 me 2.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: i don't play aj in a raised pot unless its suited...
| | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 11 Where you guys play?
Maybe different poker rooms has different action.
Ultimatebet gave me $10 free money yesterday, and I played $.25/$0.5 cash
game since yesterday evening and now it is $200.
It would be 0 if I played more loose.
I dislike big swing in cash game, so my method is to change table once my buyin double, and avoid playing big in close games, I mean unless the estimated edge I have over opponents is more than 70%, I would not put in big money. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 12 I understand now I am lot of more tight, or timid, or whatever you call it,
than normal players. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 no, we all have our limits.
but we have to conquer our "worst" fears sometimes, like when we have KK and
somebody re-raises, we get emotionally nervous and instantly put him on
something super strong like AA (as if he knew you had KK) ......
this is one gate we have to pass.
,
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I understand now I am lot of more tight, or timid, or whatever you call it,
: than normal players.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 14 I had 4 out of 5 times pocket KK beat by AA, in the same situation as above
mentioned.It is now an alarming pattern to me that reraise on preflop raise,
has more chance to be AA.
As I think it over, QQ is not safe to do a reraise, because one A or K on
flop , will give QQ enough trouble.
I mean the main function of reraise on preflop raise, is to make your opponents more pot committed.But QQ is not powerful enough to commit both your opponnent and yourself into the pot, since most preflop raiser | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 not actually, a re-raise could be "get out now, i don't want you to stay"
too, just like what the other did to your KK.
i always tell myself, don't let your past bad experience control your
current play, i.e., your opponents/stake/position could all be different.
shouldn't QQ re-raise? really hard to say. ppl raise/re-raise for diff.
reasons, not always the one you or me can easily tell.
like one hand i post before: | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 16 Got one more just now, lost all my buyin.
Almost always lose total buyin in this case. | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 17 maybe its because you folded the ones you could win?
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Got one more just now, lost all my buyin.
: Almost always lose total buyin in this case.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 18 Could you guys report what results you get from same situation? I mean
online game. I got 80% with AA.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: maybe its because you folded the ones you could win?
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 19 you mean getting 3 bet?
I got 3 bet fairly often because i raise a lot myself, so people will
eventually start to play back at me. By doing this, when I indeed hold a
good hand like AA/KK/QQ, I can get more action hopefully.
The problem of your fold is you have to read the guy almost perfectly (
having AA)，otherwise you lost lots of value here.
AKs, QQ,JJ are all 3 bet hand even against a fairly tight player. If you put
those hands into consideration you are definitely not the underdog here.
Fro
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Could you guys report what results you get from same situation? I mean
: online game. I got 80% with AA.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 20 Yes, I read opponents as specific hand like AA,but in a probability sense.I
mean AA but it is like 70% or 80%, 30% or 20% weaker.I think it function the
same as you put a range. It work for me well.
Where you play? I find some pokerrooms people bluff a lot more, in that
situation,reraise on preflop raise don't have to mean something.
Here in ultimatebet, at $.25/$.5, people usually play straight,I mean they
play what they have, bluff less.So I can read out their hands well, actually
there are ve
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: you mean getting 3 bet?
: I got 3 bet fairly often because i raise a lot myself, so people will
: eventually start to play back at me. By doing this, when I indeed hold a
: good hand like AA/KK/QQ, I can get more action hopefully.
: The problem of your fold is you have to read the guy almost perfectly (
: having AA)，otherwise you lost lots of value here.
: AKs, QQ,JJ are all 3 bet hand even against a fairly tight player. If you put
: those hands into consideration you are definitely not the underdog here.
: Fro
| | | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 21 i play at pokerstars.
i don't know, if it works for you then you can stick with it.
i just want to say that 3-bet with hands weaker than AA does not mean it is
a bluff.
I
the
actually
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I read opponents as specific hand like AA,but in a probability sense.I
: mean AA but it is like 70% or 80%, 30% or 20% weaker.I think it function the
: same as you put a range. It work for me well.
: Where you play? I find some pokerrooms people bluff a lot more, in that
: situation,reraise on preflop raise don't have to mean something.
: Here in ultimatebet, at $.25/$.5, people usually play straight,I mean they
: play what they have, bluff less.So I can read out their hands well, actually
: there are ve
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 honestly, i'm afraid of holding AA these days, hehe, so many AAs were shot
down in live casinos, i bet the winning rate is <50%.
another problem is that a lot of ppl get high whenever they get AA and lose
their mind. they think like "i have to be very strong..." "i can't let ppl
bluff me..."
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Could you guys report what results you get from same situation? I mean
: online game. I got 80% with AA.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 23 The more people call the less the chance AA could win.
1 call: 80%
2 call: 60%
3 call: 50% | p*t
发帖数: 275 | 24 AA v.s. KK的几率极小，AK的可能性稍大一点吧。甚至可能是KK，呵呵。
pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is
likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and
that would be tough for m
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I preflop raised 3.5 BB with pocket KK, someone reraised me 3 times my bet.
: I think for a while and folded.
: I think the chance he was AA was high enough for me to fold, and if he had pocket QQ, should not do this( unless he play very loose).If I call, he is likely to bet like 10-15 times BB on flop( no matter he was AA or QQ), and that would be tough for me to decide.
: Was I wrong?
| p*t
发帖数: 275 | 25 I think that's because 1/2 blind is too small. if 2/4, may be still in the
10-15 raise range.
may
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: Yes, I noticed this difference.
: For online cash game, the standard preflop raise is 3.5 BB.
: I read from you guys' posts that live poker has much higher raise. That's
: what I meant the same action has different meaning in online poker vs live
: poker.
: I think it is due to slowness in dealing cards in live poker.Online you may
: play 5 times more hand than in live poker for the same period. So you can
: always give up some opportunities and wait for the next one. In live poker
: you just can't afford let
| t***k
发帖数: 57 | 26 how deep are you with the vilian?
how can you fold a KK for only like 100BB?
if the opponent reraise range has KK, AA, AKs or AKo, you still has 47/53
equity with your KK.
I guess you did not play online 6max. online even AK is a default all in
hand for 100bb. | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 27 if AA can move all in and attract calls, I'd certianly move all in with AA.
Basically, I'd play small pot with one pair hands against most opps,
unless the one is very live... also, another thing is that if one buyin
means too much to me, I may not play at the right level.
lose
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: honestly, i'm afraid of holding AA these days, hehe, so many AAs were shot
: down in live casinos, i bet the winning rate is <50%.
: another problem is that a lot of ppl get high whenever they get AA and lose
: their mind. they think like "i have to be very strong..." "i can't let ppl
: bluff me..."
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 28 Kao,今天打到现在,只见到一个reraise on preflop raise.
It was me and a guy both with AA and raised back and forth until allin.
LOL.
As I said before, people here don't reraise preflop with AK,QQ, or even KK.They just call. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 29 I played there since Friday, 80% reraise on preflop raise were AA.
I was beat with KK by AA 5, 6 times, all lost buyin.
I understand it would not be the case in other places.
Another feature here, is if you sit at button, the 3 or 4 players check
round on flop before you,and you bet a BB, all fold.
It works about 70% time,
so I usually like to call at the button, no matter what my hand is. | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 30 one bb and all fold? oh my god:)
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I played there since Friday, 80% reraise on preflop raise were AA.
: I was beat with KK by AA 5, 6 times, all lost buyin.
: I understand it would not be the case in other places.
: Another feature here, is if you sit at button, the 3 or 4 players check
: round on flop before you,and you bet a BB, all fold.
: It works about 70% time,
: so I usually like to call at the button, no matter what my hand is.
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