w***w
发帖数: 6301 | | m******1
发帖数: 715 | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 3 作者扑克水平挺高.
主人公溶进了历史上扑克高手的事迹.
不过作者不太懂heads-up(打几个小时只bluff两次是不可能的).而且对online poker和 live poker比较不符合事实.
作者描写的那种强弱差距,现在只有在live poker能见到.online poker已经没有那种环
境了.online poker的竞争和水平都超过live poker. | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 4 very unreal.
the author is a bad player watched too much TV.
but who has the post 49 articles, please help to post.. really want to
finish the reading.. :) | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 5 Now you have to become a VIP member to read next chapters. That means you
need to pay to read. But I think those chapters will be available for free
later.
I remember she played WSOP and got good result.That alone prove her poker
skill.
Her description of MTT process is extremely true.
There are sure some YY, but without that it would not be a good novel. | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 6 the author is a wsop player? | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 7 She mentioned that somewhere.( online qualifer later stage? Not sure)
她小说里大部分战例实际上是历史上扑克巨星的战例.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: the author is a wsop player?
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 9 i think it is just faking. he/she just watched enough wsop tv. he/she has
not even been to Las Vegas. | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 10 If she never play, she could not give that kind of description.
Anyone that play enough MTT should know what I mean.
当接近钱圈时拿到好牌,内心的挣扎,是放弃好牌先进钱圈,还是赌一把大的.
还有每个人尽力拖延时间.同时不停地去查排名.很多很多这样的细节.一个没打过,或打
的少的人,是不可能体会的到的.
这样说吧,当一个你不认识的人,跟你谈起你家乡每件细小的事,人物,地方,气候,街道,
单位,等等,你就知道他是和你同一地方来的. | | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 hehe, i always imagine in a tough MTT, top 10 get paid, you rank 7 or 8, 12
players left.... and then dealt with AA, two guys go all-in pre-flop before
you... both get you covered or could seriously hurt you...
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: If she never play, she could not give that kind of description.
: Anyone that play enough MTT should know what I mean.
: 当接近钱圈时拿到好牌,内心的挣扎,是放弃好牌先进钱圈,还是赌一把大的.
: 还有每个人尽力拖延时间.同时不停地去查排名.很多很多这样的细节.一个没打过,或打
: 的少的人,是不可能体会的到的.
: 这样说吧,当一个你不认识的人,跟你谈起你家乡每件细小的事,人物,地方,气候,街道,
: 单位,等等,你就知道他是和你同一地方来的.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 12 That would cause me big struggle.I guess I need to flip a coin to decide
what to do.
12
before
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, i always imagine in a tough MTT, top 10 get paid, you rank 7 or 8, 12
: players left.... and then dealt with AA, two guys go all-in pre-flop before
: you... both get you covered or could seriously hurt you...
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 13 she is a poker player, but the wsop in vegas? I really doubt.
anyway, it is fun to read.
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: If she never play, she could not give that kind of description.
: Anyone that play enough MTT should know what I mean.
: 当接近钱圈时拿到好牌,内心的挣扎,是放弃好牌先进钱圈,还是赌一把大的.
: 还有每个人尽力拖延时间.同时不停地去查排名.很多很多这样的细节.一个没打过,或打
: 的少的人,是不可能体会的到的.
: 这样说吧,当一个你不认识的人,跟你谈起你家乡每件细小的事,人物,地方,气候,街道,
: 单位,等等,你就知道他是和你同一地方来的.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 14 in MTT, basically you play to win, not play to win a small money, so it's
really an easy call....
12
before
或打
道,
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, i always imagine in a tough MTT, top 10 get paid, you rank 7 or 8, 12
: players left.... and then dealt with AA, two guys go all-in pre-flop before
: you... both get you covered or could seriously hurt you...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 15 say, for example, WSOP buy-in is $10000, you're close to money, say top X (
let's say X = 50) pays at least $20000.
final stage, you're in OK shape and in top 35-45, 55 guys left, two guys go
all-in, one big stack who covers you, one low stack who is desperate but
still could cost you 70% chips...
would you really make this call with AA?
yeah, for some pros/high rollers, they play big tourneies every day and may
not care as mush as most semi-prow and ametuers who i guess will find it
very tough.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: in MTT, basically you play to win, not play to win a small money, so it's
: really an easy call....
:
: 12
: before
: 或打
: 道,
| k******t
发帖数: 257 | 16 Totolly agree. Making the money means little as most tourneys are heavily
front-loaded. You are big winner if you just won 1 out of 10, only wasting
tons of time or may still loss even you make small money 5 out of 10.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: in MTT, basically you play to win, not play to win a small money, so it's
: really an easy call....
:
: 12
: before
: 或打
: 道,
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 17 as long as your expectation is to win, it shouldn't bother you IMO.
go
may
s
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: say, for example, WSOP buy-in is $10000, you're close to money, say top X (
: let's say X = 50) pays at least $20000.
: final stage, you're in OK shape and in top 35-45, 55 guys left, two guys go
: all-in, one big stack who covers you, one low stack who is desperate but
: still could cost you 70% chips...
: would you really make this call with AA?
: yeah, for some pros/high rollers, they play big tourneies every day and may
: not care as mush as most semi-prow and ametuers who i guess will find it
: very tough.
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 18 The point is if you win that hand, that don't garantee you big money( even
you enter money zone with decent stack,you still have to be very lucky to
get to final table) .
If you lose you get nothing.
Now if you don't play that hand, you are most likely to enter money zone (
since you are ahead of many other players along money zone)and make 2X your
buying, and you still have chance to make big money after that, just your
stack will be smaller.
Easy call? I don't think so. Those who struggle in t | i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 19 i think if you care too much about the buy-in money you are probably playing
above your bankroll.
go
may
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: say, for example, WSOP buy-in is $10000, you're close to money, say top X (
: let's say X = 50) pays at least $20000.
: final stage, you're in OK shape and in top 35-45, 55 guys left, two guys go
: all-in, one big stack who covers you, one low stack who is desperate but
: still could cost you 70% chips...
: would you really make this call with AA?
: yeah, for some pros/high rollers, they play big tourneies every day and may
: not care as mush as most semi-prow and ametuers who i guess will find it
: very tough.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 20 sure it doesn't. However, if you win, say, a three-way confrontation, you
just triple your chance of winning the final thing, which is a big deal.
For example, suppose the first place prize is 10 M for wsop,
300 left, you have an average stack, that means you have about 1/300 chance
to a shot of 10M, now you win, and your chance becomes 1/100,
, that's already 100 K in a long run. That's certainly still a long shot,
but as long as you keep playing, you may hit your EV sooner or later.
If you fol
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: The point is if you win that hand, that don't garantee you big money( even
: you enter money zone with decent stack,you still have to be very lucky to
: get to final table) .
: If you lose you get nothing.
: Now if you don't play that hand, you are most likely to enter money zone (
: since you are ahead of many other players along money zone)and make 2X your
: buying, and you still have chance to make big money after that, just your
: stack will be smaller.
: Easy call? I don't think so. Those who struggle in t
| | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 21 I don't think your calculation is correct.
If you win you don't lift your chance from 1/300 to 1/100.
Nor you can move your ranking from 300 to 100.If you play it and look at
player list, you can find it.You are around money zone, which means you rank
the last 10 or so.Your chip could be 10000, The guys behind you could be
9000,8700,7000,5000,3000,2000,1000,500,300.The guys ahead of you could be
13000, 15000, 20000, all the way to 1000000.When you triple your money you
may move your rank from 30
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: sure it doesn't. However, if you win, say, a three-way confrontation, you
: just triple your chance of winning the final thing, which is a big deal.
: For example, suppose the first place prize is 10 M for wsop,
: 300 left, you have an average stack, that means you have about 1/300 chance
: to a shot of 10M, now you win, and your chance becomes 1/100,
: , that's already 100 K in a long run. That's certainly still a long shot,
: but as long as you keep playing, you may hit your EV sooner or later.
: If you fol
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 22 My assumption is that the chance of winning the whole thing is proportional
to your stack, regardless of skill factor, which is certainly a reasonable
assuption. Well, one can really survive from a very small stack,
4-5 successful double up would usually be fine.
rank
The
chance.Suppose BB
you
,
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I don't think your calculation is correct.
: If you win you don't lift your chance from 1/300 to 1/100.
: Nor you can move your ranking from 300 to 100.If you play it and look at
: player list, you can find it.You are around money zone, which means you rank
: the last 10 or so.Your chip could be 10000, The guys behind you could be
: 9000,8700,7000,5000,3000,2000,1000,500,300.The guys ahead of you could be
: 13000, 15000, 20000, all the way to 1000000.When you triple your money you
: may move your rank from 30
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 23 well, i guess for WSOP main event, 90% of players would care much about $10K
. also, that's why a lot of players didn't show up in last year's after they
won local circuit ones and cashed out.
just saw the current issue of Card Player, and "player of the year", "dragon
" pham made about 1.7 millions in 2007 and 11 final tables, so i guess most
of normal pro players won't be as lucky.
i agree with wmwmw, that you throw away a "premium" hand in a risky
situation is not bad. you need to survive fir
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: i think if you care too much about the buy-in money you are probably playing
: above your bankroll.
:
: go
: may
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 25 Basically and simply,never fold AA pre-flop.
if it is heads up, you dont need to worry.
if you face more than two, AND they both cover you,
then some of them should worry, not you.
12
before
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, i always imagine in a tough MTT, top 10 get paid, you rank 7 or 8, 12
: players left.... and then dealt with AA, two guys go all-in pre-flop before
: you... both get you covered or could seriously hurt you...
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 26 1, If this is the case, someone have 70% of your chips is desperate,
Then you are desperate ,as well.
2, if you are rank 35~39/55, basically you should at least have double
chips of those who are desperate.
3, if you rank behind 40,and fold every hand, the blind may eat you up
you may drop down to 50~ at the end easily
go
may
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: say, for example, WSOP buy-in is $10000, you're close to money, say top X (
: let's say X = 50) pays at least $20000.
: final stage, you're in OK shape and in top 35-45, 55 guys left, two guys go
: all-in, one big stack who covers you, one low stack who is desperate but
: still could cost you 70% chips...
: would you really make this call with AA?
: yeah, for some pros/high rollers, they play big tourneies every day and may
: not care as mush as most semi-prow and ametuers who i guess will find it
: very tough.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 27 exactly. if i win an entry i'll definitely cash out. Because 10k buy-in
tournament is way above my bankroll.
10K
they
dragon
most
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, i guess for WSOP main event, 90% of players would care much about $10K
: . also, that's why a lot of players didn't show up in last year's after they
: won local circuit ones and cashed out.
: just saw the current issue of Card Player, and "player of the year", "dragon
: " pham made about 1.7 millions in 2007 and 11 final tables, so i guess most
: of normal pro players won't be as lucky.
: i agree with wmwmw, that you throw away a "premium" hand in a risky
: situation is not bad. you need to survive fir
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 28 well, personally i believe no hand (including AA) is not foldable pre-flop
with multiple all-ins, solely depending diff. situations. on the other hand,
the same holds true that i might go all-in with 55, 89o, K5s... in another
word, to believe some simple golden rules (never fold AA pre-flop) is not my
type, hehe.
surely AA has 100% winning chance pre-flop, but it's a 7 cards and multi ppl
game, down to the river, what's the winning percentage then? i won't risk
100% of my chips for a x% chance
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: Basically and simply,never fold AA pre-flop.
: if it is heads up, you dont need to worry.
: if you face more than two, AND they both cover you,
: then some of them should worry, not you.
:
: 12
: before
| k******t
发帖数: 257 | 29 I think that's because most wsop $10k entries are from satellites,so they
care cashing.If you play your normal bankroll like $24,$75 token tourment in
Fulltilt, it's totol nonsense to throw away As when you are in bubble
facing allins. You are making a couple bucks at bottom of the money for
hours of grinding. Forget about miracle, you basically got no chance for
winning if short-stacked going in. All people can call you 3xBBs allin and
check it down.
10K
they
dragon
most
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: well, i guess for WSOP main event, 90% of players would care much about $10K
: . also, that's why a lot of players didn't show up in last year's after they
: won local circuit ones and cashed out.
: just saw the current issue of Card Player, and "player of the year", "dragon
: " pham made about 1.7 millions in 2007 and 11 final tables, so i guess most
: of normal pro players won't be as lucky.
: i agree with wmwmw, that you throw away a "premium" hand in a risky
: situation is not bad. you need to survive fir
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 30 true, for FT's $24, $75 or whatever level you're confortable with, throwing
AA away doesn't make sense, cause even if you got bad beats once in while,
in the long run, you'll be fine for such a decision. you can afford the loss
, the same goes for maybe 90% of all players
but for the original ones we talked about what happens in LV and Macau, it's
kind of different. there i guess 90% will find it hard to accept such a so-
close-but-nothing loss. some may call eventually but it's painful and
stre
【在 k******t 的大作中提到】
: I think that's because most wsop $10k entries are from satellites,so they
: care cashing.If you play your normal bankroll like $24,$75 token tourment in
: Fulltilt, it's totol nonsense to throw away As when you are in bubble
: facing allins. You are making a couple bucks at bottom of the money for
: hours of grinding. Forget about miracle, you basically got no chance for
: winning if short-stacked going in. All people can call you 3xBBs allin and
: check it down.
:
: 10K
: they
| | | m******1
发帖数: 715 | | w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 32 This one is the latest.
第五十八章 夜半歌声（下）
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: http://www.zhaoxiaoshuo.com/chapter_url.php?cid=521869&bid=218815
: this link has more complete.
| p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 33 刚从澳门回来没多久，据我所知，只有新葡京有live的无限红（赌场自己的叫法），另
外Starworld Casino(星际酒店）有电子桌。新葡京有10/20,20/40,50/100港币的NL,最
多四桌，每桌10个人，刚开不到两个月，水平普遍不行，抽水是5%，上限50港币（我玩
的是20/40)，不知道50/100是不是也是同样的上限。发牌员明显手生，打得特别的慢，
一个小时我估计打不了15手。至于贵宾俱乐部里有没有我就不知道了。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: Here are the latest chapters:
: http://www.shulou.com/files/article/html/101/101770/index.shtml
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 34 hehe sounds good. did you play?
【在 p*****l 的大作中提到】
: 刚从澳门回来没多久，据我所知，只有新葡京有live的无限红（赌场自己的叫法），另
: 外Starworld Casino(星际酒店）有电子桌。新葡京有10/20,20/40,50/100港币的NL,最
: 多四桌，每桌10个人，刚开不到两个月，水平普遍不行，抽水是5%，上限50港币（我玩
: 的是20/40)，不知道50/100是不是也是同样的上限。发牌员明显手生，打得特别的慢，
: 一个小时我估计打不了15手。至于贵宾俱乐部里有没有我就不知道了。
| p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 35 总共玩了几个小时吧，输了一千多港币。不过不过真是太慢了，第一天一个小时连十手
牌都没打上，非常闷，就跑去看日本AV女的脱衣舞表演去了。
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: hehe sounds good. did you play?
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 36 take picture le me?
【在 p*****l 的大作中提到】
: 总共玩了几个小时吧，输了一千多港币。不过不过真是太慢了，第一天一个小时连十手
: 牌都没打上，非常闷，就跑去看日本AV女的脱衣舞表演去了。
| p*****l
发帖数: 399 | 37 这个女的写得也忒夸张了，感觉和其他的yy小说是一个路数啊。Phil Helmuth看到自己
在她笔下输得破产，估计要气晕了。
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: Here are the latest chapters:
: http://www.shulou.com/files/article/html/101/101770/index.shtml
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 39 Phil Helmuth plays a very solid poker IMO, and he intentionally painted
himself as a poker brat and takes advantage of this image.
自己
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: http://www.zhaoxiaoshuo.com/chapter_url.php?cid=521869&bid=218815
: this link has more complete.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 40 he's so tight, i don't think he'll ever go broke.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Phil Helmuth plays a very solid poker IMO, and he intentionally painted
: himself as a poker brat and takes advantage of this image.
:
: 自己
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