h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 1 前几天用$6赢了一个$26的token，今天报名参加$27,500 guarantee的比赛，double
stack（3000筹码），1474人，10分钟升blind。
比赛初期一切正常，不掺和乱七八糟的pot，主要靠两三个大pot，第一个小时到了
10000 chip size左右，field从1474人减少到1000人左右。
后来，我AQ call了一个44的allin，输了，筹码掉到3000多。立即switch gear，变得
更aggreesive，开始allin。这时候来牌了，总是拿pocket pair，而别人以为我开始
tilt了，给我action，结果我double up两次，然后kick out 4人，期间的牌比如55
beat AJ，KK beat 88（flop先出8，river出K），等等。那个最初44赢我的人说，your
blessed，呵呵。运气是不错，赢了好几个coin flip。第二个小时我的筹码到了29000
左右，排到第12名，field还剩394人。
后来我换了一桌，碰上两个排在前5名的。我第一手拿到AQ，call 2x raise，flop出来 | h***i
发帖数: 122 | 2 只说最后一把牌。到TURN以后注意到手上的D flush 没有意义了。此时对方两小对也是
很有可能的。要尽量避免跟CHIP LEADER摊牌。多欺负筹码在自己50%以下的。错了还有
机会。系统要清人的时候一般都给你发一些貌似很好的牌，然后来BAD BEAT。 | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 赞！相当不错，俺还有一堆tokens没敢玩，觉得水平不够，而且耗时很厉害。
你那个最后一把pre-flop小了点，到这个阶段，大家都知道最危险的敌人是和自己筹码
接近的，你这个size的raise基本等于没raise，不足以“赢得”他的重视，flop上看见
Q，他已经不可能放手了。
感觉到这个阶段，对chip leader，让，对类似级别，短兵相接，互相试探火力就够了
，玩最简单的standard扑克。而对short stack，狠狠砸，2 handed，shove with any
high+low cards, small PP。
打过的几次大型里面：
1)28000 guarantee，24名(1154人)，也就80来块小钱，那时候还不懂在最后20%阶段发
狠的打法。
2)32000 KO guarantee，146名(1449人)，这个更露怯，刚刚进bubble，最后大家几个
都在故意磨时间，等别桌的先死。
3)11500 KO guarantee，71名(661人)，这个其实开始打得相当不错，但是不喜欢6人台
的桌子。最后被donk打死，拿回buy-in而已。
4)mid n
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 前几天用$6赢了一个$26的token，今天报名参加$27,500 guarantee的比赛，double
: stack（3000筹码），1474人，10分钟升blind。
: 比赛初期一切正常，不掺和乱七八糟的pot，主要靠两三个大pot，第一个小时到了
: 10000 chip size左右，field从1474人减少到1000人左右。
: 后来，我AQ call了一个44的allin，输了，筹码掉到3000多。立即switch gear，变得
: 更aggreesive，开始allin。这时候来牌了，总是拿pocket pair，而别人以为我开始
: tilt了，给我action，结果我double up两次，然后kick out 4人，期间的牌比如55
: beat AJ，KK beat 88（flop先出8，river出K），等等。那个最初44赢我的人说，your
: blessed，呵呵。运气是不错，赢了好几个coin flip。第二个小时我的筹码到了29000
: 左右，排到第12名，field还剩394人。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 4 俺觉得MTT就最后这20%阶段，靠近bubble到只剩5%选手阶段最难打也最考验技术运气。
之前好打，见机行动，等好牌，找donks，甚至什么都不打，1/3的人已经阵亡了。而最
后阶段，大家都有还够意思的钱拿了(虽然ladder很陡)，而且chips/blinds也不象20%
那时候那么急迫。
【在 h***i 的大作中提到】
: 只说最后一把牌。到TURN以后注意到手上的D flush 没有意义了。此时对方两小对也是
: 很有可能的。要尽量避免跟CHIP LEADER摊牌。多欺负筹码在自己50%以下的。错了还有
: 机会。系统要清人的时候一般都给你发一些貌似很好的牌，然后来BAD BEAT。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 5 在回到了10万左右时，我拿到了AQ，raise到2xBB 8000, BB call。flop出来是Q 3 7
rainbow，perfect。BB bet 12000到22000的pot，我想了一下，smooth call。turn是2
，BB check，我30000，他raise allin（cover我），我call，结果他是QJ，river是个
J！弄了个44名，$84.9（图6）。唉，否则chip能到20多万。第一名可是$7000多啊。 | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 6 MTT is toughest game. This kind of big field need luck to win. Later on,
everyone has around 3M--8M. The guy who can steal the blinds often will win
in the end.
The payout is also very important, need to enter into final table and try to
win top 3.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺觉得MTT就最后这20%阶段，靠近bubble到只剩5%选手阶段最难打也最考验技术运气。
: 之前好打，见机行动，等好牌，找donks，甚至什么都不打，1/3的人已经阵亡了。而最
: 后阶段，大家都有还够意思的钱拿了(虽然ladder很陡)，而且chips/blinds也不象20%
: 那时候那么急迫。
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 7 yeah, agree. Also mtt's fluctuation is huge. So even if you play correctly,
you may not see any major wins in several months or even years. That's why
few really play mtt as their major source of income and many make their
living doing sng or cash games.
win
to
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: MTT is toughest game. This kind of big field need luck to win. Later on,
: everyone has around 3M--8M. The guy who can steal the blinds often will win
: in the end.
: The payout is also very important, need to enter into final table and try to
: win top 3.
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 8 factor of winning a big MTT is
LUCK,LUCK,LUCK
Win top 3 for a MTT Over 2000 ppl is like flip coin for
7 times continuous same side
win
to
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: MTT is toughest game. This kind of big field need luck to win. Later on,
: everyone has around 3M--8M. The guy who can steal the blinds often will win
: in the end.
: The payout is also very important, need to enter into final table and try to
: win top 3.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 fryking , try to play 180ppl tournament. It is very good for practicing MTT
skills
including bubble play, later tournament play, final table bubble play, short
hand playing, and Heads up playing.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺觉得MTT就最后这20%阶段，靠近bubble到只剩5%选手阶段最难打也最考验技术运气。
: 之前好打，见机行动，等好牌，找donks，甚至什么都不打，1/3的人已经阵亡了。而最
: 后阶段，大家都有还够意思的钱拿了(虽然ladder很陡)，而且chips/blinds也不象20%
: 那时候那么急迫。
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 Maybe not. There are many MTT pros, you can check record of following
players.
Peargammered, Ducku(both ftp and stars, win ftp main event several times, 1k
monday one time, stars wins 2rd for 10k buyin game), MoormanI, AJKHoosier1
I do not think they can win coin flip every time, there are something we do
not know about MTT game.
And you will see these online MTT players in WSOP MAIN event also, and usually they are very very deep, around 300rd or better. Watching Wsop main event yesterday, phil
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: factor of winning a big MTT is
: LUCK,LUCK,LUCK
: Win top 3 for a MTT Over 2000 ppl is like flip coin for
: 7 times continuous same side
:
: win
: to
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 Sound not correct enough. If 1200 ppl into the game, 150 ppl into the money.
everyone has 3000 starting chips, you need at least 12k chips to into the
money. 28k chip is the average.
allin in later stage with short stack is very hard. PPl will call u with
anything. ak can not hold. and surely, better hand will call u.
the bubble play is very hard for short stack.
甚至什么都不打------it can not garantee you with a healthy stack to steal blinds, and even harder to get deep enough of MTT. The 18th get aro
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 俺觉得MTT就最后这20%阶段，靠近bubble到只剩5%选手阶段最难打也最考验技术运气。
: 之前好打，见机行动，等好牌，找donks，甚至什么都不打，1/3的人已经阵亡了。而最
: 后阶段，大家都有还够意思的钱拿了(虽然ladder很陡)，而且chips/blinds也不象20%
: 那时候那么急迫。
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 12 everybody is lag when M is low, like 10 or less. When stack is deep,
lag style can accumulate larger stack or go bust earlier. So overally,
lag style is quite successful cause you either accumulate a large stack
or go bust early to save time....For cash game, it's a different story.
Many successful players only wear the skin of lag, they play a very tough
game when the pot is big. Those who are loose when the pot is big would be
eaten alive by better players...
money.
blinds, and even harder to
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Sound not correct enough. If 1200 ppl into the game, 150 ppl into the money.
: everyone has 3000 starting chips, you need at least 12k chips to into the
: money. 28k chip is the average.
: allin in later stage with short stack is very hard. PPl will call u with
: anything. ak can not hold. and surely, better hand will call u.
: the bubble play is very hard for short stack.
: 甚至什么都不打------it can not garantee you with a healthy stack to steal blinds, and even harder to get deep enough of MTT. The 18th get aro
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 13 And one crucial skill is to know how to win extra pot when you do not hit,
and you know how to play postflop and against certain player.
One pot is so crucial, it makes it add another 8bb--12bb to your stack.
Suppose you are in BB, have 1010, button raises to 3bb.
you have to call,
flop ace queen 5,
you check,
button raise. to 4BB
Do you fold right away or call? If you call, what should you do next street?
I watch one guy(BB) played, he calls 4bb raise. turn is 8 , BB leads out with 6bb. and win
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: everybody is lag when M is low, like 10 or less. When stack is deep,
: lag style can accumulate larger stack or go bust earlier. So overally,
: lag style is quite successful cause you either accumulate a large stack
: or go bust early to save time....For cash game, it's a different story.
: Many successful players only wear the skin of lag, they play a very tough
: game when the pot is big. Those who are loose when the pot is big would be
: eaten alive by better players...
:
: money.
: blinds, and even harder to
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 14 那个写MTT经验的人说，从in the money到final table，你要做的就是比较aggressive
并加上不断的拿到好牌，一轮至少要steal一次blinds to stay alive。不过我觉得要
注意steal的对象，那些还不是特别short的stack会容易fold，他们在等牌allin。对最
short或是比较大的stack要小心一点。当然，最重要的是观察对手的style，敢于
reraise的最好不要去steal了。
他还说了一个很有意思的经验：在刚刚ITM的时候，要玩得保守一点。因为这个时候大
家都relived，玩得loose，你反而要保守一点，什么都不敢都可以很快上升一些名次。 |
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