m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 1 Full Tilt Poker Game #10274924816: Table Baritone (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit
Hold'em - 0:34:00 ET - 2009/01/27
Seat 1: luckbox360 ($200)
Seat 2: yanjiegou2007 ($364.05)
Seat 3: WhitieTighty ($223.65)
Seat 4: d4donkey ($266.10)
Seat 5: vilStrat ($294.25)
Seat 6: Vlad KGB ($200)
d4donkey posts the small blind of $1
vilStrat posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yanjiegou2007 [4s 4h]
Vlad KGB folds
luckbox360 raises to $7
yanjiegou2007 calls $7
WhitieTighty | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 3 Want some bloody truth？
you sucked by you greedy
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: second time this month!
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 5 I am all in on the turn! | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 6 you were not all in, you called his all in since you can not fold.
First，
you slow-play by check-call,try to hide your monster, you succeeded,
(Now big $$ in your eyes....)
and,you lead bet, try to pretend you have a bluffed-able hand, you suceeded
such a good trap!
but,unfortunately,you falled in instead of him.....
it is a definitely good play, but bad beat...
if you all in at flop, he may fold
if you all in at turn, he will fold
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: I am all in on the turn!
| m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 7 can't get what y ou mean, you think he will fold?? | l**********t
发帖数: 269 | 8 I have to agree with DOA. you slow played a monster hand perfectly. at
that level, he will definitly fold QQ if you go all in first on the turn.
as played, it is just a bad beat.
but again, I wont go all in on the turn either as that will scare that guy
away. really good play and really bad beat. | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 9 Full Tilt Poker Game #10276910031: Table Coralie (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit
Hold'em - 3:29:22 ET - 2009/01/27
Seat 1: gotigers2008 ($218.75)
Seat 2: JS2 ($490.55)
Seat 3: yanjiegou2007 ($238)
Seat 4: BIG SLICK 13 ($332.95), is sitting out
Seat 5: Leviathan101 ($512.70)
Seat 6: hldorfld ($390.25)
Leviathan101 posts the small blind of $1
hldorfld posts the big blind of $2
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to yanjiegou2007 [9c 7c]
gotigers2008 folds
JS2 folds
yanjiegou2007 calls $2 | m*****i
发帖数: 1873 | 10 the 3rd hand 1 hours later I got set again and all in on the turn
he runner runner flush again!!! | | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 sigh, one reason i don't play 6-max is the aggression level. it's very hard
for him to fold QQ here.
44 vs. QQ is 20:80, and hands like this unfortunately fall into the 80 range
, ALTHOUGH at one point, 44 looks so dominant.
a pre-flop call of $7 with 44 is fine, but another call after raising to $20
is kind of problematic.
against premium hands (most likely with $20 raise), 44 has little post flop
value:
1) any big card would force you to fold;
2) any trash low cards like 357r or 362r would onl
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: Full Tilt Poker Game #10276910031: Table Coralie (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit
: Hold'em - 3:29:22 ET - 2009/01/27
: Seat 1: gotigers2008 ($218.75)
: Seat 2: JS2 ($490.55)
: Seat 3: yanjiegou2007 ($238)
: Seat 4: BIG SLICK 13 ($332.95), is sitting out
: Seat 5: Leviathan101 ($512.70)
: Seat 6: hldorfld ($390.25)
: Leviathan101 posts the small blind of $1
: hldorfld posts the big blind of $2
| m******1
发帖数: 715 | 12 Someone suggested to get a whole new luck factor by closing the existing
account and open a new one later.
I did not believe that initially. But it does make some senses to attract
new customers. The house is running a biz, not playing god. Right? | c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 13 it's those rare cases that make your call very profitable against big
over pairs. If you hit a trip and is able to stack your opp, it's fine
to invest 5% of your stack and hit such kind of situations once every 10
times. Also, it's a good thing to play small pokect pairs cause it's easy
to play postflop, you either like the flop when you hit the trip or
you want to fold. Those suited connectors are actually way more tricky,
especially played out of position, cause when you hit a hand, unless it'
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: sigh, one reason i don't play 6-max is the aggression level. it's very hard
: for him to fold QQ here.
: 44 vs. QQ is 20:80, and hands like this unfortunately fall into the 80 range
: , ALTHOUGH at one point, 44 looks so dominant.
: a pre-flop call of $7 with 44 is fine, but another call after raising to $20
: is kind of problematic.
: against premium hands (most likely with $20 raise), 44 has little post flop
: value:
: 1) any big card would force you to fold;
: 2) any trash low cards like 357r or 362r would onl
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 14 i used to believe so, when i was bad beat so badly.
but now i guess i've passed that psycological phase.
pros like tom durrr dwan started with $10, up to 100K, up to $3M, down to 1M
, up, down... if we only take a few hands, a short time period to look at,
we should have all quit long time ago, lol.
when i'm not in a hand, i watch how ppl play a lot, in 10 hands, it might be
a bad beat (and cost you 1-2 buy-ins), in 10000 hands, ppl lose 70% of time
because of mistakes (and cost you whole bankro
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: Someone suggested to get a whole new luck factor by closing the existing
: account and open a new one later.
: I did not believe that initially. But it does make some senses to attract
: new customers. The house is running a biz, not playing god. Right?
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 15 well, that's not the point. When players have a huge edge, they can
win when the online sites manipulate cards. That's actually why you want to
play
it although you know the cards may not be truly random.
1M
be
time
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i used to believe so, when i was bad beat so badly.
: but now i guess i've passed that psycological phase.
: pros like tom durrr dwan started with $10, up to 100K, up to $3M, down to 1M
: , up, down... if we only take a few hands, a short time period to look at,
: we should have all quit long time ago, lol.
: when i'm not in a hand, i watch how ppl play a lot, in 10 hands, it might be
: a bad beat (and cost you 1-2 buy-ins), in 10000 hands, ppl lose 70% of time
: because of mistakes (and cost you whole bankro
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 suited connectors maybe, since you have many more ways to win and very
hidden.
but for small PP vs. big PP, i guess not that profitable. most likely you
can only afford to play the flop. you hit a set on flop 1 in 8 times. it's
true you may win your opponent's whole stack, but not that often.
1) for hands like 44 vs. KK, QQ, JJ, a flop like A49 would kill a lot of
actions;
2) unless you know your opponent well, like he could never fold a high PP
easily, your big win is not guaranteed;
3) draw he
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: it's those rare cases that make your call very profitable against big
: over pairs. If you hit a trip and is able to stack your opp, it's fine
: to invest 5% of your stack and hit such kind of situations once every 10
: times. Also, it's a good thing to play small pokect pairs cause it's easy
: to play postflop, you either like the flop when you hit the trip or
: you want to fold. Those suited connectors are actually way more tricky,
: especially played out of position, cause when you hit a hand, unless it'
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 17 nah, from us average player's standard point, sites want to manipulate cards
to make the pots bigger and get more rakes. but in the long term, it can only
turn regular "juicy" players like melonli away, who play a lot and are their
core business.
tom dwan and so many other internet kids had little edge against others in
the beginning, they played $0.01/0.02 with a $10, 50 bankroll. some didn't
even have a bankroll, like one guy sold his 1M FTP playmoney for $10 on ebay
, and got started in real
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: well, that's not the point. When players have a huge edge, they can
: win when the online sites manipulate cards. That's actually why you want to
: play
: it although you know the cards may not be truly random.
:
: 1M
: be
: time
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 18 Well, I really don't see much logic here. If a player is a long term winner,
there is no way for the site to turn him away. Those frequent huge
confrontations only make their fluctuations high, but they are still winners
. And the sites
can take higher profit from such kind of confrontations. It's not from
an average player's point or advanced player's points, it's just the real
world
that if a business has the motivation to make more money and has the ability
to make more money and is under no
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: nah, from us average player's standard point, sites want to manipulate cards
: to make the pots bigger and get more rakes. but in the long term, it can only
: turn regular "juicy" players like melonli away, who play a lot and are their
: core business.
: tom dwan and so many other internet kids had little edge against others in
: the beginning, they played $0.01/0.02 with a $10, 50 bankroll. some didn't
: even have a bankroll, like one guy sold his 1M FTP playmoney for $10 on ebay
: , and got started in real
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 19 no, if such a winner feels being manipulated, he can freely choose to play
at another site and the competition right now is very high. i'm not saying
all sites are good (and i do believe some do cheating for profits), but for
those major sites like FT and PS, this doesn't look likely.
also, with so many statistics software running/monitoring outside of the
sites, there's not much "secret" a site can hide, and it's actually how "
riorio" on UB got caught by the poker community.
some players are m
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, I really don't see much logic here. If a player is a long term winner,
: there is no way for the site to turn him away. Those frequent huge
: confrontations only make their fluctuations high, but they are still winners
: . And the sites
: can take higher profit from such kind of confrontations. It's not from
: an average player's point or advanced player's points, it's just the real
: world
: that if a business has the motivation to make more money and has the ability
: to make more money and is under no
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 20 I play HU at PS, on week days pretty easy to win and all the Friday nights
till Saturday get big loss.Allin like AK vs A10, or QQ vs A5, rarely beat
opponents.
While coming to week days all become normal.
At bodog same thing happen. So I don't play bodog on week ends(never win on
week ends but on week days almost never lose). | | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 just checked FTP's rake policy: | r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 22 casino的rake是10%,2BB max。
现在看来online只有1/2nl以上才有rake优势，1/2以下的上限太高了。
maximum
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: just checked FTP's rake policy:
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 23 actually it's extremely difficult to make statistics to monitor those
sites. In most hands dealt in no limit, cards are not seen on the river, so
for such incomplete information, nothing serious could be drawn and
when the data are impossible to be complete, there is just no way to say
those big sites don't cheat.
on
【在 w***w 的大作中提到】
: I play HU at PS, on week days pretty easy to win and all the Friday nights
: till Saturday get big loss.Allin like AK vs A10, or QQ vs A5, rarely beat
: opponents.
: While coming to week days all become normal.
: At bodog same thing happen. So I don't play bodog on week ends(never win on
: week ends but on week days almost never lose).
| w***w
发帖数: 6301 | 24 I have proved to myself but I can't convince others.
so
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: actually it's extremely difficult to make statistics to monitor those
: sites. In most hands dealt in no limit, cards are not seen on the river, so
: for such incomplete information, nothing serious could be drawn and
: when the data are impossible to be complete, there is just no way to say
: those big sites don't cheat.
:
: on
| k***n
发帖数: 1682 | 25 其实想想你有没有ALL IN 后靠RIVER CARD BAD BEAT 别人就好了.HOHO..
QQ他不会FOLD的, 第二把他有点CRAZY 用STRAIT DRAW+PAIR跟你ALL IN, 除非他以为你
是AK/AQ, 第三把不知道他的牌, 不过我知道很多人AKs, AQs, AJs FLASH DRAW是无脑
ALL IN的. 因为可以做FALSH DRAW + OVER PAIR. 即使FLOP你是小于T的TOP PAIR,他RIVER赢的可能也超过50%.
Limit
【在 m*****i 的大作中提到】
: Full Tilt Poker Game #10276910031: Table Coralie (6 max) - $1/$2 - No Limit
: Hold'em - 3:29:22 ET - 2009/01/27
: Seat 1: gotigers2008 ($218.75)
: Seat 2: JS2 ($490.55)
: Seat 3: yanjiegou2007 ($238)
: Seat 4: BIG SLICK 13 ($332.95), is sitting out
: Seat 5: Leviathan101 ($512.70)
: Seat 6: hldorfld ($390.25)
: Leviathan101 posts the small blind of $1
: hldorfld posts the big blind of $2
| m*****i
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