y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 1 Completely lose my head, get 3k FTP point in 6 hours yesterday, and another
3k FTP points in 5 hours today.
ID 开始时间 名称 买入筹码 玩家 位置 胜出
注意
124734068 Dec 13 09:12ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
$42.00 + $1.50 2 1 $84
124733774 Dec 13 09:10ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
$42.00 + $1.50 2 1 $84
124733607 Dec 13 09:09ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
$42.00 + $1 | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 2 biggest down swing is around -1300 bucks.
another
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Completely lose my head, get 3k FTP point in 6 hours yesterday, and another
: 3k FTP points in 5 hours today.
: ID 开始时间 名称 买入筹码 玩家 位置 胜出
: 注意
: 124734068 Dec 13 09:12ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
: $42.00 + $1.50 2 1 $84
: 124733774 Dec 13 09:10ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
: $42.00 + $1.50 2 1 $84
: 124733607 Dec 13 09:09ET $42 + $1.50 Heads Up Sit & Go Turbo
: $42.00 + $1
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 3 until the big upswing.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: biggest down swing is around -1300 bucks.
:
: another
:
:
:
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 4 The rake is ridiculous high.
I played 20 games of 160$+4$ game, the rake is 80$. How long does it take? Maybe just around 1 hour.
No matter what happens, the FTP is the big winner.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: until the big upswing.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 yep, and it's super turbo, you guys donate $1.5 x 2 in less than 2 mins, it'
s $90 "easy" money for FTP in an hour, no wonder they ask you "do you want
to start another game?..."
HU can easily put ppl on tilt.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: The rake is ridiculous high.
: I played 20 games of 160$+4$ game, the rake is 80$. How long does it take? Maybe just around 1 hour.
: No matter what happens, the FTP is the big winner.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 FTP always wins no matter it is super turbo, turbo or regular game. But in
super turbo HU game, your edge is very low. Mostly are all in with coin flip
. So in a long run, it is very hard to be winning consistently even without
the rake. With rake it completely kills it.
The problem is not how fast you are paying the rake. It is whether you have a positive ROI (including the rakes) over these games. The percentage of the rake is not more but less for HU. The way to compute ROI is also still the | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 7 Partially true.
But the problem is that you need try out if you have a positive ROI. I am
not afraid of HU, but the rake is very very high, it is very hard to have a
great ROI.
For example, I check my rake, I paid 400+ bucks in 2 days of HU game.
Similarly, the other guy need to pay another 400+ dollar into FTP rake. No
matter who wins, FTP gets 800+ bucks from me and my opponent in 2 days.
So, if I need to beat that game, at least I need to win 400+ bucks for the
rake. For example, if I win 500
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: FTP always wins no matter it is super turbo, turbo or regular game. But in
: super turbo HU game, your edge is very low. Mostly are all in with coin flip
: . So in a long run, it is very hard to be winning consistently even without
: the rake. With rake it completely kills it.
: The problem is not how fast you are paying the rake. It is whether you have a positive ROI (including the rakes) over these games. The percentage of the rake is not more but less for HU. The way to compute ROI is also still the
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 i remember someone said you have to play high stake in HU to beat rake?
a
bucks
plus
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Partially true.
: But the problem is that you need try out if you have a positive ROI. I am
: not afraid of HU, but the rake is very very high, it is very hard to have a
: great ROI.
: For example, I check my rake, I paid 400+ bucks in 2 days of HU game.
: Similarly, the other guy need to pay another 400+ dollar into FTP rake. No
: matter who wins, FTP gets 800+ bucks from me and my opponent in 2 days.
: So, if I need to beat that game, at least I need to win 400+ bucks for the
: rake. For example, if I win 500
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 9 check my post below, you will understand the rake can kill all the profit.
because live game is very slow, the rake effect may not that apparent.
But with online super turbo structure, I calculate it, I play one game
around 2.5 minutes, I need pay 1.5$ for that HU game. If I match up one guy
continuously, I pay 1.5*(60/2.5) = 36 dollars to FTP.
Wow, I do not know how much my hourly rate could be, but if i have 50
dollars without rake, I only get 14 dollars effectively.
If I break even with my op
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: FTP always wins no matter it is super turbo, turbo or regular game. But in
: super turbo HU game, your edge is very low. Mostly are all in with coin flip
: . So in a long run, it is very hard to be winning consistently even without
: the rake. With rake it completely kills it.
: The problem is not how fast you are paying the rake. It is whether you have a positive ROI (including the rakes) over these games. The percentage of the rake is not more but less for HU. The way to compute ROI is also still the
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 10 My guess for the strategy for super turbo HU games is to pick up the weak
spots, wins the money, and wait for another victim.
Do not play huge volume against regulars(, in this scenario, even I break
even, I lose a lot).
flip
without
have a positive ROI (including the rakes) over these games. The percentage
of the rake is not more but less for HU. The way to compute ROI is also
still the same. The problem is that you are not beating the game with such
small edge. If you can, then the rake does
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: FTP always wins no matter it is super turbo, turbo or regular game. But in
: super turbo HU game, your edge is very low. Mostly are all in with coin flip
: . So in a long run, it is very hard to be winning consistently even without
: the rake. With rake it completely kills it.
: The problem is not how fast you are paying the rake. It is whether you have a positive ROI (including the rakes) over these games. The percentage of the rake is not more but less for HU. The way to compute ROI is also still the
| | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 11 Yes. But I guess if regulars match up, both of them will lose big.
The reality case is spider phenomena, lots of regulars open the tables, but
they will not sit against each other, and wait for the victims.
You will see a lot of regulars buyin full, and opens the tables, and no one
plays against each other. Sometimes ppl(if you do not know) may wonder why
they do not just sit together, and plays the games.
It is real, you can observe it. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 I guess if you have a coach, coach will tell you right away, and save you
time and money for the discovery.
I am not very smart, but still can figure this out quickly.
Believe me, the rake can make the games totally unprofitable.
Another easy finding is cash game can clear bonus quickly than tournaments, it means the rake can big role in cash games. although I do not spend time on calculating how the role is for the rake.
but
one | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 in a sense, it's like 2/4L, 3/6L or 1/2NL live games, rake+tip kill the game.
, it means the rake can big role in cash games. although I do not spend time
on calculating how the role is for the rake.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: I guess if you have a coach, coach will tell you right away, and save you
: time and money for the discovery.
: I am not very smart, but still can figure this out quickly.
: Believe me, the rake can make the games totally unprofitable.
: Another easy finding is cash game can clear bonus quickly than tournaments, it means the rake can big role in cash games. although I do not spend time on calculating how the role is for the rake.
: but
: one
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 14 HI, king,
Are you still playing 1/2NL live games this time?
Curious question, how long does it take you to figure this out? And how did
you find out, by reading books, told by other guys, or you calculate it out?
Just pure curiosity.
game.
time
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: in a sense, it's like 2/4L, 3/6L or 1/2NL live games, rake+tip kill the game.
:
: , it means the rake can big role in cash games. although I do not spend time
: on calculating how the role is for the rake.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 15 HI, king,
Are you still playing 1/2NL live games this time?
Curious question, how long does it take you to figure this out? And how did
you find out, by reading books, told by other guys, or you calculate it out?
Just pure curiosity.
game.
time
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: in a sense, it's like 2/4L, 3/6L or 1/2NL live games, rake+tip kill the game.
:
: , it means the rake can big role in cash games. although I do not spend time
: on calculating how the role is for the rake.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 yeah, still 1/2NL, for me, poker is just for semi-fun, so i can't move up to
, say, 2/5NL, and have a $3K down day.
i've played/observed 1/2NL's profitability for a long time, it's very hard
to win $2K in a 5-hour normal session unless being extremely lucky in big
pot confrontations, even 1K needs a lot of luck/action.
the common saying is if you can consistently make $20/hr in 1/2NL, you're
very good already, i believe so.
rake+tip adds up to be a lot, $4 from each normal pot (reaching river) +
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: HI, king,
: Are you still playing 1/2NL live games this time?
: Curious question, how long does it take you to figure this out? And how did
: you find out, by reading books, told by other guys, or you calculate it out?
: Just pure curiosity.
:
: game.
: time
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 I don't think I made my point very clear.
For example for 1$ HU SNG, the rake is 0.1$ which is 10%. for 1$ 9 people
SNG it is 0.2$ it is actually 20% rake, which is more than HU. You might say
that I could win more if I get number 1 in 9 person sng but it really doesn
't matter because you could be out of the money more often as well. Assume
your have exactly the same performance ROI wise, the HU SNG actually
collects less rake compare to 9 person SNG. The problem is not rake being
too high, bu | c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 18 so you play the highest level of super turbe in FTP? that's a jam or fold
game at all, and it's easy for everyone to play optimal strategy at that
level. therefore FTP will be the only winner finally of course since you won
't have any edge over your villain in the game.
Maybe just around 1 hour.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: The rake is ridiculous high.
: I played 20 games of 160$+4$ game, the rake is 80$. How long does it take? Maybe just around 1 hour.
: No matter what happens, the FTP is the big winner.
| c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 19 That's for cash game, in high level HUSNG 5% ROI will make you one of the
best players.(regular or turbe) but in super turbe no one beat the rake in
long term(incluide rakeback and fpps)
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i remember someone said you have to play high stake in HU to beat rake?
:
: a
: bucks
: plus
| c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 20 I hate live game after playing 10 times in local casinos (there ars 3 here)
because of the fucking tips, expensive drink and food there and gasoline
for car.......
to
1
are
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: yeah, still 1/2NL, for me, poker is just for semi-fun, so i can't move up to
: , say, 2/5NL, and have a $3K down day.
: i've played/observed 1/2NL's profitability for a long time, it's very hard
: to win $2K in a 5-hour normal session unless being extremely lucky in big
: pot confrontations, even 1K needs a lot of luck/action.
: the common saying is if you can consistently make $20/hr in 1/2NL, you're
: very good already, i believe so.
: rake+tip adds up to be a lot, $4 from each normal pot (reaching river) +
| | | h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 21 drinks are $1 tip only, right?
)
【在 c**********o 的大作中提到】
: I hate live game after playing 10 times in local casinos (there ars 3 here)
: because of the fucking tips, expensive drink and food there and gasoline
: for car.......
:
: to
: 1
: are
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 22 yeah, i know.
for me, need to include $27 for tolls + tax for hotels ($11/night, well,
comp rooms, otherwise even more costs)... in total, before i get the first 2
cards, i'm already about $80 down, lol.
it sucks after you play for a full day, realize that you pay $80 + $100 (tip
+drink+etc.) for only "live and fun", hehe.
)
【在 c**********o 的大作中提到】
: I hate live game after playing 10 times in local casinos (there ars 3 here)
: because of the fucking tips, expensive drink and food there and gasoline
: for car.......
:
: to
: 1
: are
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 23 Period Period End Revenue Rakeback Carryover Total
2009-12-08 2009-12-14 $1005.27 $271.42 $0 $271.42
2009-12-12 2009-12-12 $370.97 $100.16
2009-12-13 2009-12-13 $591 $159.57
When you saw that, you will understand how sick is that.
I do not play a week, I only play 2 days, plus I need go to church on Sunday
, only limited time to play.
Get 1k for the rake. Oh, yah, only play less than 2 days, no matter I lose
or win, I will pay FTP 1k for the rake.
If I can not win m
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I don't think I made my point very clear.
: For example for 1$ HU SNG, the rake is 0.1$ which is 10%. for 1$ 9 people
: SNG it is 0.2$ it is actually 20% rake, which is more than HU. You might say
: that I could win more if I get number 1 in 9 person sng but it really doesn
: 't matter because you could be out of the money more often as well. Assume
: your have exactly the same performance ROI wise, the HU SNG actually
: collects less rake compare to 9 person SNG. The problem is not rake being
: too high, bu
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 24 thx for the tips. I do not understand that in the beginning, so I lose big.
【在 c**********o 的大作中提到】
: That's for cash game, in high level HUSNG 5% ROI will make you one of the
: best players.(regular or turbe) but in super turbe no one beat the rake in
: long term(incluide rakeback and fpps)
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 25
Sunday
It is not the rake that kills the game for you. It is your negative roi in
general with your small edge against your opponents in this game. Super
turbo or not, to calculate ROI or each individual game is the same. If you
have a positive ROI for each game in general, the speed of the game can make
you more $$. When you do not have a positive ROI of course you lose in long
run and faster. FTP collects rake faster but not more because of the speed
of the game. The difference is that you ca
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: Period Period End Revenue Rakeback Carryover Total
: 2009-12-08 2009-12-14 $1005.27 $271.42 $0 $271.42
: 2009-12-12 2009-12-12 $370.97 $100.16
: 2009-12-13 2009-12-13 $591 $159.57
: When you saw that, you will understand how sick is that.
: I do not play a week, I only play 2 days, plus I need go to church on Sunday
: , only limited time to play.
: Get 1k for the rake. Oh, yah, only play less than 2 days, no matter I lose
: or win, I will pay FTP 1k for the rake.
: If I can not win m
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26
The point here is that in super turbo, you can't maintain the 5% ROI. If you
can, then super turbo will make you more $$ and faster. It is not the rake
that makes the difference. It is because you are not beating the game as
much as regular game. ROI have nothing to do with the speed of the game.
And they are calculated the same no matter how fast is the game. However,
Even if you have a 1% ROI in super turbo, you might end up making more $$
than 5% ROI in regular game because the game is fast
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: thx for the tips. I do not understand that in the beginning, so I lose big.
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 27 It is HU, I do not how much ROI ppl can get, usually very low.
But considering even I break even with my opponents(Assume we play 100 games
, I win 50 games, my opponent wins the rest 50 games), both I and my
opponent lose 1k to FTP. That 1k makes the huge difference.
Suppose I win my opponent 1010 dollars, sounds a lot, but effectively, I
only get 10 bucks into my pocket, FTP wins 1k, my opponent lose big,
1010bucks.
Do you see the difference, the rake is huge. If you can not beat the rake,
you
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
:
: The point here is that in super turbo, you can't maintain the 5% ROI. If you
: can, then super turbo will make you more $$ and faster. It is not the rake
: that makes the difference. It is because you are not beating the game as
: much as regular game. ROI have nothing to do with the speed of the game.
: And they are calculated the same no matter how fast is the game. However,
: Even if you have a 1% ROI in super turbo, you might end up making more $$
: than 5% ROI in regular game because the game is fast
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 28 Similar stuff happens in live game.
You go to casino, you win your opponent 500$, but you need consider how much
have you paid for your rake+tips.
And different from online game, you need consider your travel fee and hotel
fee also.
Combine those stuff together, even you win 500$ from your opponent, you may
end with 0$ into your pockets. However, you play with regulars, it is hard
to win them, you end up with break even with those regulars, you will pay
500$ cover your own expenses. Considering
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
:
: The point here is that in super turbo, you can't maintain the 5% ROI. If you
: can, then super turbo will make you more $$ and faster. It is not the rake
: that makes the difference. It is because you are not beating the game as
: much as regular game. ROI have nothing to do with the speed of the game.
: And they are calculated the same no matter how fast is the game. However,
: Even if you have a 1% ROI in super turbo, you might end up making more $$
: than 5% ROI in regular game because the game is fast
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 29 The edge in the HU can not be huge.
Usually, fish loses 2 games to you, then they quit. Usually you will match
up with some regulars, you will lose your head, and play huge amount against
him, suppose easily play 200-400 games in just several hours, and each game
rake you 2 bucks. You break even, you lose big, since you lose 400-800bucks
to the rake.
That really changes the strategy about those super turbo HU games, mainly
because of the rakes. Because normally you match up with a regular, you a
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
:
: The point here is that in super turbo, you can't maintain the 5% ROI. If you
: can, then super turbo will make you more $$ and faster. It is not the rake
: that makes the difference. It is because you are not beating the game as
: much as regular game. ROI have nothing to do with the speed of the game.
: And they are calculated the same no matter how fast is the game. However,
: Even if you have a 1% ROI in super turbo, you might end up making more $$
: than 5% ROI in regular game because the game is fast
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 30 "The edge in the HU can not be huge."
Yes this is the key. the edge is not huge so you can't have large enough ROI
to cover the rake. The rake are the same in HU STT MTT, regular, turbo or
super turbo.
You can also look it this way, compute your ROI without considering the rake
. You will find your ROI is much lower in super turbo HU. You are losing $$
not because of the % of rakes, it is because your ROI without the rakes.
You are being raked the same amount for all games. But you don't notic | | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 31 when you are computing ROI, the actual dolar amount should not be involved.
You only look at the % of rakes towards your buy-in or you only get yourself
confused | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 32 HU is (ROI) player dependent.
The real case is that you will match up against one buddy(usually 200 games)
, and break even, then lose huge. At that point, you need take your actual
dollar amount into consideration.
Consider fryking is happy about 1k profit in a month, something like a hobby
plus part-time job, I can not be happy with the result get raked 1k$ for
pure rake purpose in 2 days.
Since I do not know what the heck is super turbo HU games, and do not have a
strategy either, I play huge | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 33 You are being rake such as every day for every game you play on FTP. That's
why you always choose the game provide you the biggest edge to beat the rake
. It is always true, if everyone evens out the long run, only the casino
wins. But we still keep playing because we believe that we have enough edge to win over rakes. Super turbo HU does not give you that edge,
so pick another game. But the rake never changed for different games | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 34 In normal speed game, you match up against other regulars, it is fine, since
you do not lose much since the rake is small.
However, it could be huge dog if you do so in super turbo HU, since the rake
kills everyone.
Rake eats all your winnings or you lose huge because you lose and need pay
the rake.
ROI is player dependent in HU, even you break even, the ROI could be just -2
% since the rake,(Who the heck knows in advance, especially you just play
super turbo HU games, you may not pay attention
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: "The edge in the HU can not be huge."
: Yes this is the key. the edge is not huge so you can't have large enough ROI
: to cover the rake. The rake are the same in HU STT MTT, regular, turbo or
: super turbo.
: You can also look it this way, compute your ROI without considering the rake
: . You will find your ROI is much lower in super turbo HU. You are losing $$
: not because of the % of rakes, it is because your ROI without the rakes.
: You are being raked the same amount for all games. But you don't notic
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 35 You are being rake such as every day for every game you play on FTP. That's
why you always choose the game provide you the biggest edge to beat the rake
. It is always true, if everyone evens out the long run, only the casino
wins. But we still keep playing because we believe that we have enough edge
to win over rakes. Super turbo HU does not give you that edge,
so pick another game. But the rake never changed for different games
You are being rake such as every day for every game you play on F | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 36 By the way, if you pay attention, FTP rake race winners always are high
stake sng HU players. Usually 500+ $ for one buyin. Even without super turbo structure, only normal turbo structure.
s
rake
edge to win over rakes. Super turbo HU does not give you that edge,
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: You are being rake such as every day for every game you play on FTP. That's
: why you always choose the game provide you the biggest edge to beat the rake
: . It is always true, if everyone evens out the long run, only the casino
: wins. But we still keep playing because we believe that we have enough edge to win over rakes. Super turbo HU does not give you that edge,
: so pick another game. But the rake never changed for different games
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 37 You don't want to go up against regulars no matter what games you play. Mtt
you don't have a choice since there is always certain percentage of regulars
and fishes. but for STT and HU, table selection becomes critical because it
will impact your ROI huge. Again, these are general strategies to pick up
a game maximize your ROI. You don't do that only because the rake is too
high
"By the way, if you pay attention, FTP rake race winners always are high
stake sng HU players. Usually 500+ $ for one | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 Played some Super Turbo myself with 6 people sng. Have around 11% ROI over
less than 100 games. It is in micro stake 1.50$ buy in 0.2$ rake. It is quite fun in
fact since the games go so fast. You can find some edge in 6 people sng at
least vs fish. I am guessing if you can't beat 45$ superturbo SNG, lower the
buy-in a bit until you have a positive ROI. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 39 I guess I do beat that game, but just need follow the lesson that do not
play 200 games in a row(around 5 hours). The rake does hurt in that way.
HU can not be profitable by playing low stake games, it takes too much time,
I guess I can not afford that.
HU is high variance game, low buyin might help a little bit, but not that
much.
If you play low buyin, you need at least play 6 tables at a time to be
profitable.
over
quite fun in
the
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Played some Super Turbo myself with 6 people sng. Have around 11% ROI over
: less than 100 games. It is in micro stake 1.50$ buy in 0.2$ rake. It is quite fun in
: fact since the games go so fast. You can find some edge in 6 people sng at
: least vs fish. I am guessing if you can't beat 45$ superturbo SNG, lower the
: buy-in a bit until you have a positive ROI.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 40 still hating the rakes? hehe... Just keep your ROI positive first... if your
ROI is positive, you are making $$ other wise you are losing. Can't beat
the high stake, then lower the stake. If you are winning then great and stay there.. If you are losing $$ then no, your ROI is negative and you are not beating the game. Rake doesn't matter.. :D
What I tried to say is that for 6 person super turbo sng, you can have enough edge to beat the rake even at low stake | | | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 41 If I only win 20bucks by using 3 hours, I actually lose.
I mean time(3 hours) is way more valuable than small money(20 bucks).
Believe me, we have much more value by spending 3 hours wisely.
I guess that is a problem by considering ROI without considering overhead. (
Suppose you go to live casino, you need consider commute time, tips, and
rakes, or other stuff, such as the price of lunch.)
ROI is one thing, but get raked 500$ per day is an issue you can never
overlook. (I guess if I play 50$ per
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: still hating the rakes? hehe... Just keep your ROI positive first... if your
: ROI is positive, you are making $$ other wise you are losing. Can't beat
: the high stake, then lower the stake. If you are winning then great and stay there.. If you are losing $$ then no, your ROI is negative and you are not beating the game. Rake doesn't matter.. :D
: What I tried to say is that for 6 person super turbo sng, you can have enough edge to beat the rake even at low stake
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 42 Surely enough, I hate the rakes. I paid 500+$ per day, it could be my profit
, or make me lose way less than expected. Fair enough, I hate it.
If I just pay 50$-100$ for the rake, I will say "hi, FTP, you know what, I
hate that, but I do not mind let you have it".
If I pay 500+ bucks per day for the rake, I will say " what the f*** are you
doing, FTP, go to hell, screw it."
your
stay there.. If you are losing $$ then no, your ROI is negative and you are
not beating the game. Rake doesn't matter
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: still hating the rakes? hehe... Just keep your ROI positive first... if your
: ROI is positive, you are making $$ other wise you are losing. Can't beat
: the high stake, then lower the stake. If you are winning then great and stay there.. If you are losing $$ then no, your ROI is negative and you are not beating the game. Rake doesn't matter.. :D
: What I tried to say is that for 6 person super turbo sng, you can have enough edge to beat the rake even at low stake
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 43 Whether the winning worth the time, it is entirely a different issue here..
lol
But how rake impact the game is just simple math, elementary school level.
you don't need to play in it to understand how it impacts your ROI. (heck,
obviously some don't get it even when playing it) If you are losing your ROI
is negative and the key to make it positive. if you are winning and making
a killing. then it is great. You focus how much rake you pay over 5 hour is
not where the problem is. I am only tryi | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 44 One last time and i am done posting. You are getting rake the same whether
it is super turbo or not. if anything HU rakes less.. | y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 45 I have already done with you, because you simply do not have such experience
. No matter ROI, the 500$ per day rake has already greatly changed the
middle stake level(50dollar level) HU games' strategy.
(ROI is high variance in HU games, even high stakes HU(500 bucks+ per game)
poker guys has ups and downs on those games per month. ROI does not work
well on that HU games, you need play a ton to find out your ROI. However,
playing too much does a poor job on super turbo games.)
Since I have alrea
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: One last time and i am done posting. You are getting rake the same whether
: it is super turbo or not. if anything HU rakes less..
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 46 Ok I have too much time to burn in my hand. so i will still reply.
experience
. No matter ROI, the 500$ per day rake has already greatly changed the
middle stake level(50dollar level) HU games' strategy.
【在 y********n 的大作中提到】
: I have already done with you, because you simply do not have such experience
: . No matter ROI, the 500$ per day rake has already greatly changed the
: middle stake level(50dollar level) HU games' strategy.
: (ROI is high variance in HU games, even high stakes HU(500 bucks+ per game)
: poker guys has ups and downs on those games per month. ROI does not work
: well on that HU games, you need play a ton to find out your ROI. However,
: playing too much does a poor job on super turbo games.)
: Since I have alrea
| c**********l
发帖数: 606 | 47 the lowest superturbo HU used to be 14+.5
basically you wait for fish who don't have the nash equilibrium table by
their hands. punish their timid play and profit. label them with a
specific color and look for them, otherwise just wait in your spidernet.
avoid regs, they have exactly the same push/fold table as you do and you pay
the rake for null edge. |
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