g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 1 I have 56s in the CO with $300+ chips. EP(stake $120+) guy raise $7 and 2 MP
called and I called. BTN and SB/BB fold.
flop: QQ6 with flush draw. EP raise to $18, all fold to me and I called. BB
fold.
Turn: 6 add another flush draw. I feel I got lucky here. But all the
sudetnly EP all in with around 100 left.No read on him, feel him is a donk.
The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet
with AKXr borad.
What do I do? What does he have? | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 2 call.
btw, the first pot opener is called bet, not raise.
MP
BB
.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I have 56s in the CO with $300+ chips. EP(stake $120+) guy raise $7 and 2 MP : called and I called. BTN and SB/BB fold. : flop: QQ6 with flush draw. EP raise to $18, all fold to me and I called. BB : fold. : Turn: 6 add another flush draw. I feel I got lucky here. But all the : sudetnly EP all in with around 100 left.No read on him, feel him is a donk. : The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet : with AKXr borad. : What do I do? What does he have?
| g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 3 yes. it's bet.
why call? what does he have so he shove all in over bet on turn?
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : call. : btw, the first pot opener is called bet, not raise. : : MP : BB : .
| D*****A 发帖数: 551 | 4 I think Fold.
Maybe he has AQx. | W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 5 preflop call is marginal, but i would fold flop...
now you hit full house, it is a 50% 50% on call or fold. I would not push
all in lead at this spot with a Q, but he is obviously not a NL100 regular
online....so Q is not unlikely... in fact if he is a level 1 thinker or less, he is more likely to push with a Q here. | s*********k 发帖数: 1989 | 6 with around 80$ on flop, it is 100$ for 280$. It is close to call. He more
likely has JJ/TT than AQ. With 3ppl aft, typically with Q, he would check.
Well you do not have read, it is tricky by any mean. | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 7 easy call.
from his preflop, flop, and turn action, a Qx hand is so unlikely, but
apparently he doesn't put you on Qx either but a draw or weak pair, in live,
his hands could be any PP between 77-JJ, even suited AK, AJ alike.
short stackers simply don't shove on QQ66 turn with Qx, what's the point? if
you're drawing to a flush and a donk, you may still know you are very
likely drawing dead. his shove is not for value, but out of fear.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : yes. it's bet. : why call? what does he have so he shove all in over bet on turn?
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 8 preflop call is not marginal, but good call, with position and 1:3.5 odds,
56s or similar SCs is profitable for $7 (tiny in live). an EP opens with
this size here, his range is very wide, 2 MP call, theirs too. 56s plays
well postflop in this situation.
flop call is marginal though, a fold is ok. if he believes it's a naked c-
bet, a raise might win right here. unless he plans for a bluff on later
streets to represent Qx, a call here is not good.
any A/K or high card like J/T on turn/river could
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : preflop call is marginal, but i would fold flop... : now you hit full house, it is a 50% 50% on call or fold. I would not push : all in lead at this spot with a Q, but he is obviously not a NL100 regular : online....so Q is not unlikely... in fact if he is a level 1 thinker or less, he is more likely to push with a Q here.
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 9 my gut feeling is that fishes are more likely to push a Q here, because en
they are fish. Fish or people that are more advanced than us... It is simply leveling..
but he could also have a pair and push in fear of the flush which is retarded by itself. so it is really 50 50 to call or fold...
to
hits
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : preflop call is not marginal, but good call, with position and 1:3.5 odds, : 56s or similar SCs is profitable for $7 (tiny in live). an EP opens with : this size here, his range is very wide, 2 MP call, theirs too. 56s plays : well postflop in this situation. : flop call is marginal though, a fold is ok. if he believes it's a naked c- : bet, a raise might win right here. unless he plans for a bluff on later : streets to represent Qx, a call here is not good. : any A/K or high card like J/T on turn/river could
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 10 whether 56s is a good call preflop depends on your post flop play. If you
are going to be loose passive and call and call and call with a bottom pair.
I think the preflop call is very very bad. 7$ + 18$ into the pot without any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big pot. If you don't get your flush going, your hand is not too much different from 56o, which is very very weak at the bottom | | | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 11 nah, when you call $7 with 56s in a 4-way pot with position, bottom pair on
flop is NOT what you're looking for, that's why i said flop call is marginal
, but not preflop.
1:3.5, it's great odds for 56s. and in live, even better since you only get
so few "good" hands.
the power of SCs is not pair (even you hit one, still trash), but draws.
with position, you add some stealing value too, so it's good.
pair.
any inititive but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find
your chip stac
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : whether 56s is a good call preflop depends on your post flop play. If you : are going to be loose passive and call and call and call with a bottom pair. : I think the preflop call is very very bad. 7$ + 18$ into the pot without any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big pot. If you don't get your flush going, your hand is not too much different from 56o, which is very very weak at the bottom
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 12 56s i would limp but i think 7$ is pretty expensive. you really don't have
that many 7$ to put in the pot with marginal hand like this. But we can
agree and disagree on that.
But the most important factor whether to put in 7$ into a 4 way action pot
is whether these players are weak tight or loose passive... if it is the
former, i don't think it is as bad as the latter. Don't play those hand vs
loose passive people, you have very little fold equity against them. Unless
you flop something really | g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 13 I am not passive in live game. I do have initiative before flop, on the flop
and on the turn. my plan was call the flop, if he checks on the turn, I bet
, if he bet, I shove. turn 6 is a surprise to me but his shove astonish me.
his shove just destroys my plan, don't know how to deal with it.
pair.
any inititive but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find
your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big
pot. If you don't get your flush going, your han
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : whether 56s is a good call preflop depends on your post flop play. If you : are going to be loose passive and call and call and call with a bottom pair. : I think the preflop call is very very bad. 7$ + 18$ into the pot without any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big pot. If you don't get your flush going, your hand is not too much different from 56o, which is very very weak at the bottom
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 14 if the context of this hand is online, i tend to agree somehow, hehe.
but in live, especially in lowest 1/2NL game, $7 or 3.5x is next to nothing,
or at most, a pot sweetener. it carries very little value, unlike online,
where you could put your oppoents on AK or good PP or at least speculative
hands like KQo, KJs, TJs.
the "standard" bet for a good hand in live is more or less in the $10-15
range. it's not really that more than $7, but unless in some loose games,
you're not likely to get 3 call
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 56s i would limp but i think 7$ is pretty expensive. you really don't have : that many 7$ to put in the pot with marginal hand like this. But we can : agree and disagree on that. : But the most important factor whether to put in 7$ into a 4 way action pot : is whether these players are weak tight or loose passive... if it is the : former, i don't think it is as bad as the latter. Don't play those hand vs : loose passive people, you have very little fold equity against them. Unless : you flop something really
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 15 I think this is where people are mostly wrong about live and on-line..
Altering their game dramaticly because they are different games. If you look
at the poker fundamental, there is only about blind size, raise size and
stack size. If you have KQ, you can use their preflop raise size to decide
whether you are ahead of their range or not, and you are right on-line and
live are different. If someone open 5X preflop online, you are probably behind and dominated. If it is live, maybe you are ok.
bu
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if the context of this hand is online, i tend to agree somehow, hehe. : but in live, especially in lowest 1/2NL game, $7 or 3.5x is next to nothing, : or at most, a pot sweetener. it carries very little value, unlike online, : where you could put your oppoents on AK or good PP or at least speculative : hands like KQo, KJs, TJs. : the "standard" bet for a good hand in live is more or less in the $10-15 : range. it's not really that more than $7, but unless in some loose games, : you're not likely to get 3 call
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 16 very impressive play if you do that on turn when he bets.. do you usually get
folds? i guess you have big swings play live?
and you know what? if you play like this and can win consistently, you can practically play any two cards live and be profitable. very impressive!
one last thing, if you have a plan like that based on read, then it is a no brainer call on the shove because you obviously do not put him on a Q. the 6 only make your hand stronger and he never is folding a Q if turn is a bla
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I am not passive in live game. I do have initiative before flop, on the flop : and on the turn. my plan was call the flop, if he checks on the turn, I bet : , if he bet, I shove. turn 6 is a surprise to me but his shove astonish me. : his shove just destroys my plan, don't know how to deal with it. : : pair. : any inititive but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find : your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big : pot. If you don't get your flush going, your han
| g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 17 I fold. I told myself I have much much more chances later to get my $25 back
... That guy did not show his cards(he claimed he has nuts later...),I did
not show either. I still dont know I should call or fold. 50% I guess. Maybe
he noticed I like to float and stop me right there...
I float more and more in live and online, something I was feared to do
before.
there are some aggressive regulars on the table do same thing to me.
I bet $12 in LP with QJo and he calls in BB, pot is about $30.
flop K
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : very impressive play if you do that on turn when he bets.. do you usually get : folds? i guess you have big swings play live? : and you know what? if you play like this and can win consistently, you can practically play any two cards live and be profitable. very impressive! : one last thing, if you have a plan like that based on read, then it is a no brainer call on the shove because you obviously do not put him on a Q. the 6 only make your hand stronger and he never is folding a Q if turn is a bla
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 18
"Maybe he noticed I like to float and stop me right there..."
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I fold. I told myself I have much much more chances later to get my $25 back : ... That guy did not show his cards(he claimed he has nuts later...),I did : not show either. I still dont know I should call or fold. 50% I guess. Maybe : he noticed I like to float and stop me right there... : I float more and more in live and online, something I was feared to do : before. : there are some aggressive regulars on the table do same thing to me. : I bet $12 in LP with QJo and he calls in BB, pot is about $30. : flop K
| c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 19 "The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet
with AKXr borad."
I'm just curious as to what do you think of players who do that?
MP
BB
.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I have 56s in the CO with $300+ chips. EP(stake $120+) guy raise $7 and 2 MP : called and I called. BTN and SB/BB fold. : flop: QQ6 with flush draw. EP raise to $18, all fold to me and I called. BB : fold. : Turn: 6 add another flush draw. I feel I got lucky here. But all the : sudetnly EP all in with around 100 left.No read on him, feel him is a donk. : The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet : with AKXr borad. : What do I do? What does he have?
| g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 20 high level player can certainly bet UTG re-flop and people in same level
will respect the move. However in 1/2 game, all different level players
mixed together, bet UTG with 55 pre-flop is not a profitable play in MHO. C
bet with 55 is different story, depends on how many callers and how good/bad
, aggressive/passive they are.
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : "The only thing I can remember is he raises with 55 UTG one hand and c bet : with AKXr borad." : I'm just curious as to what do you think of players who do that? : : MP : BB : .
| | | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 21 nah, or you should think in this way, live (especially 1/2NL) and online are
like two different stages in a tournament, you need to use different
strageties accordingly (hands/hr, stack, donk level, etc.). your core game
might be the same, but you need to balance your range too.
even online, calling a 3.5x with 5s6s in a 4-way pot with position is
totally fine. yes, most of time, you're behind (guess what? only AA is
absolutely not, lol), but why you're playing this hand? because:
1) it has grea
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I think this is where people are mostly wrong about live and on-line.. : Altering their game dramaticly because they are different games. If you look : at the poker fundamental, there is only about blind size, raise size and : stack size. If you have KQ, you can use their preflop raise size to decide : whether you are ahead of their range or not, and you are right on-line and : live are different. If someone open 5X preflop online, you are probably behind and dominated. If it is live, maybe you are ok. : bu
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | | g**s 发帖数: 1114 | 23 just want to make it clear I dont always play sc like this in live game. I
am little more loose than online, but compare with other players on the
table, I am still a TAG.
Also some times you have to pay to do some ads. When you play loose while
you are TAG, it's good for people to have the wrong impression.
pair.
any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find
your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big
pot. If you don't get your flus
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : whether 56s is a good call preflop depends on your post flop play. If you : are going to be loose passive and call and call and call with a bottom pair. : I think the preflop call is very very bad. 7$ + 18$ into the pot without any initiative but to guess whether your bottom pair is good. You will find your chip stack could be gone in no time without even getting into any big pot. If you don't get your flush going, your hand is not too much different from 56o, which is very very weak at the bottom
| c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 24 I asked because it took me a long time to get comfortable with cbet on just
any flop with any hand.
C
bad
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : high level player can certainly bet UTG re-flop and people in same level : will respect the move. However in 1/2 game, all different level players : mixed together, bet UTG with 55 pre-flop is not a profitable play in MHO. C : bet with 55 is different story, depends on how many callers and how good/bad : , aggressive/passive they are.
| s*********k 发帖数: 1989 | 25 with 3 players ahead and SB/BB to act behind, call w/ 56s surely is
profitable.
Not only if SB/BB re-raise to squeeze.
nothing,
be
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : if the context of this hand is online, i tend to agree somehow, hehe. : but in live, especially in lowest 1/2NL game, $7 or 3.5x is next to nothing, : or at most, a pot sweetener. it carries very little value, unlike online, : where you could put your oppoents on AK or good PP or at least speculative : hands like KQo, KJs, TJs. : the "standard" bet for a good hand in live is more or less in the $10-15 : range. it's not really that more than $7, but unless in some loose games, : you're not likely to get 3 call
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 26 live and online, if we use 1/2NL and 50NL (more likely 25NL) to compare here.
live, for example, you rarely see ppl do squeeze play, while it's almost a
standard play online. or another example, online, before, 4-bet light is
almost impossible, now you see ppl do this at least to some degree.
so the nature of the games is somehow different, which requires us to adjust
too.
SCs are actually one of ed miller's favorites. even old tight gun like bob
ciaffone suggests to squeeze with 56s once in whi
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : with 3 players ahead and SB/BB to act behind, call w/ 56s surely is : profitable. : Not only if SB/BB re-raise to squeeze. : : nothing, : be
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 27 squeeze is nice.. it adds fold equity. and the flop will either hit your
perceived range or hit your real range. of course fish doesn't really care
about that. and if you win the pot right there it is extra nice...
i am not saying it is bad to call i am saying it is marginal probably around
0 EV play over long run. Fold is not too bad. Squeeze is exceptionally
nice play if you know how to play it after flop in case they call. raise to around 30$ | c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 28 do you know any good articles focusing on suited connectors? the one on two
plus two for micro full ring is just horrible. its basic idea is that it
is not profitable to play suited connector in general. bluffing is needed
just to break even with those hands. but in the case of 5 players in the
hand, I think it is mathatically sound to play this hand.
personally I always found it is easier to play centain hands when I
understand the math behind it. It would be great if you could recomman
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : live and online, if we use 1/2NL and 50NL (more likely 25NL) to compare here. : live, for example, you rarely see ppl do squeeze play, while it's almost a : standard play online. or another example, online, before, 4-bet light is : almost impossible, now you see ppl do this at least to some degree. : so the nature of the games is somehow different, which requires us to adjust : too. : SCs are actually one of ed miller's favorites. even old tight gun like bob : ciaffone suggests to squeeze with 56s once in whi
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 29 那篇COTW 其实写得不错..
suited connector like 56s 54s are trash hand without fold equity. if you don't hit your dream flop which is most of the time, there will be so many trouble spots post flop.. that's why pros suggested to squeeze instead of call.
two
it
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : do you know any good articles focusing on suited connectors? the one on two : plus two for micro full ring is just horrible. its basic idea is that it : is not profitable to play suited connector in general. bluffing is needed : just to break even with those hands. but in the case of 5 players in the : hand, I think it is mathatically sound to play this hand. : personally I always found it is easier to play centain hands when I : understand the math behind it. It would be great if you could recomman
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 30 try to google for ed miller's articles, he published some on cardplayer, don
't know if they're available online.
two
it
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : do you know any good articles focusing on suited connectors? the one on two : plus two for micro full ring is just horrible. its basic idea is that it : is not profitable to play suited connector in general. bluffing is needed : just to break even with those hands. but in the case of 5 players in the : hand, I think it is mathatically sound to play this hand. : personally I always found it is easier to play centain hands when I : understand the math behind it. It would be great if you could recomman
| | | c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 31 I dont like it for a few reasons. frist, I dont even play the top suited
connectors such as QK for pairs. that is the sure way to lose money. I will
always have AQ/AK waiting there me to go crazy with my QK hiting Q on the
flop.
Second, the writer didn't prove his statement "it is not profitable play
suited connectors". the write for the papaer on "how to play pairs" backed
up everything with math. this one seems can only state opinions.
don't hit your dream flop which is most of the time,
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 那篇COTW 其实写得不错.. : suited connector like 56s 54s are trash hand without fold equity. if you don't hit your dream flop which is most of the time, there will be so many trouble spots post flop.. that's why pros suggested to squeeze instead of call. : : two : it
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 32 you are assuming people only opens with premium hand AK AQ or better. This
is completely false. Even a nit like me has a much wider opening range than
this. and KQs is actually at the top of the range for all hands, which
means even without a good draw or nut flop, you have some equity in the pot
and if you make a pair on the flop, you are most likely ahead.
on the other hand, 56s is at the bottom of the range vs everyone's opening
range. You want to make a profit by out flopping 4 people. it i
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : I dont like it for a few reasons. frist, I dont even play the top suited : connectors such as QK for pairs. that is the sure way to lose money. I will : always have AQ/AK waiting there me to go crazy with my QK hiting Q on the : flop. : Second, the writer didn't prove his statement "it is not profitable play : suited connectors". the write for the papaer on "how to play pairs" backed : up everything with math. this one seems can only state opinions. : : don't hit your dream flop which is most of the time,
| c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 33 I'm not talking about 56 at all. I'm talking about that article about
suited connectors saying KQ is only good for hiting a pair on the flop. I
dont think that guy can make any money from those hands playing that way.
And I want the math to back up his statments.
His statments are sounding false and he didn't give any prove. So everyone
has the right to qestion him. and the quality of this article is so bad
compare to all other COTW
than
pot
realistic.
is
know
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : you are assuming people only opens with premium hand AK AQ or better. This : is completely false. Even a nit like me has a much wider opening range than : this. and KQs is actually at the top of the range for all hands, which : means even without a good draw or nut flop, you have some equity in the pot : and if you make a pair on the flop, you are most likely ahead. : on the other hand, 56s is at the bottom of the range vs everyone's opening : range. You want to make a profit by out flopping 4 people. it i
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 34 你是说我refer的这段话? 我觉得讲得一点也没错啊..
"- High sc, they go from QJs to AKs, their value mainly come from hitting
pair, you obviousy will make the most profit with them, simply because a
pair of ace if better than a pair of king which is better than a pair of
queen aswell that a A high ace flush beats a K high flush. You see my point
right ?
- Medium sc, 78s to JTs, those will be the gist of this CotW. They make good
pairs and on a lot of boards, you’ll have decent equity.
- Low sc, 23s to 67s, those suck | W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 35 他先说hit nut flop, flush straight 2 pair的比例很小. well obviously not
enough to cover the 7$ you invested preflop. if you can't do that, you have
to either rely on fold equity, or make money when you hit 1 pair. when your
fold equity sucks. and you have to fold your 1 pair hand most of the time with 56s.
Then you are in a very bad situation.
KQs is not only good for hitting a pair. but a lot of its equity come from hitting a pair after flop. for 56s you can pretty much ignore those equity. | f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 36 agree with this one, lol.
KQs is like in the top 15% range of hands, they're much more powerful than
56s because:
1) pair strength, they flop much stronger pairs like TPSK;
2) nuts or 2nd nuts strength, when they draw to flush or str8, much safer
than small SCs;
3) fold equity, it's ok to raise with them with confidence, while 56s is
more like a semi-bluff.
TJs is a unique SC, they make 4 diff. nut str8.
KQs need to be played with caution though, like running into AA/KK/AK/AQ,
like any other han
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : you are assuming people only opens with premium hand AK AQ or better. This : is completely false. Even a nit like me has a much wider opening range than : this. and KQs is actually at the top of the range for all hands, which : means even without a good draw or nut flop, you have some equity in the pot : and if you make a pair on the flop, you are most likely ahead. : on the other hand, 56s is at the bottom of the range vs everyone's opening : range. You want to make a profit by out flopping 4 people. it i
| W********m 发帖数: 7793 | 37 play with your head, not with your ass. lol
that sounds better..
play with your read, not over
your head.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : agree with this one, lol. : KQs is like in the top 15% range of hands, they're much more powerful than : 56s because: : 1) pair strength, they flop much stronger pairs like TPSK; : 2) nuts or 2nd nuts strength, when they draw to flush or str8, much safer : than small SCs; : 3) fold equity, it's ok to raise with them with confidence, while 56s is : more like a semi-bluff. : TJs is a unique SC, they make 4 diff. nut str8. : KQs need to be played with caution though, like running into AA/KK/AK/AQ,
| c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 38 most players are playing with 9-10% of their hands. at least on the NL5
level. I'm running at 13% because I have some small pair and high suited
connectors in my range. the top 15% really don't do well in rush.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : agree with this one, lol. : KQs is like in the top 15% range of hands, they're much more powerful than : 56s because: : 1) pair strength, they flop much stronger pairs like TPSK; : 2) nuts or 2nd nuts strength, when they draw to flush or str8, much safer : than small SCs; : 3) fold equity, it's ok to raise with them with confidence, while 56s is : more like a semi-bluff. : TJs is a unique SC, they make 4 diff. nut str8. : KQs need to be played with caution though, like running into AA/KK/AK/AQ,
| c*****a 发帖数: 447 | 39 I'm not talking about this little section you quoated. I'm talking about
the original article. as COTW, he need to prove his statements and have
facts listed to back up his opinions. and he didn't do that. which is why I
think the quality of his writing is horrible.
point
good
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : 你是说我refer的这段话? 我觉得讲得一点也没错啊.. : "- High sc, they go from QJs to AKs, their value mainly come from hitting : pair, you obviousy will make the most profit with them, simply because a : pair of ace if better than a pair of king which is better than a pair of : queen aswell that a A high ace flush beats a K high flush. You see my point : right ? : - Medium sc, 78s to JTs, those will be the gist of this CotW. They make good : pairs and on a lot of boards, you’ll have decent equity. : - Low sc, 23s to 67s, those suck
| f*****g 发帖数: 15860 | 40 well, it all depends, 10% is too narrow or tight.
after introducing rush poker for 8 months now, i can see the whole game is
getting similar to regular, ppl are definitely playing with wider range of
hands. if you have interest, check your hand history file for a night, see
what others are opening/calling with.
another example, CO/BTN 3x becomes so "auto", and makes my re-steal
profitable. same as SB vs. BB (me), so many SBs are used to the idea of 3x
instead of giving up mere 0.5x... amazingly!
【在 c*****a 的大作中提到】![](/moin_static193/solenoid/img/up.png) : most players are playing with 9-10% of their hands. at least on the NL5 : level. I'm running at 13% because I have some small pair and high suited : connectors in my range. the top 15% really don't do well in rush.
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