B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 1 25NL, Vallain: 12/9 never had a single 3-bet or 4-bet based on 50 hand histo
ry. both hero and vallian deep stack.
hero MP pocket AKs
utg raise to $0.75, hero 3-bet to $2.50, utg 4-bet to $6.25
Based on vallain's data. I was seriously thinking about folding my AKs. Sinc
e my AK is suited and I'm in position, I dicided to call and see flop.
Flop Kxx no flush draw for me.
utg bet half pot, I think for a while then fold.
Any comments? |
p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 2 if you don't fold pre..., why fold at flop, if you think he 100% has Aces,
why you call his 4-bet? u wish to flop sth like KKx or a flush/flush draw?
histo
Sinc
【在 B*********s 的大作中提到】
: 25NL, Vallain: 12/9 never had a single 3-bet or 4-bet based on 50 hand histo
: ry. both hero and vallian deep stack.
: hero MP pocket AKs
: utg raise to $0.75, hero 3-bet to $2.50, utg 4-bet to $6.25
: Based on vallain's data. I was seriously thinking about folding my AKs. Sinc
: e my AK is suited and I'm in position, I dicided to call and see flop.
: Flop Kxx no flush draw for me.
: utg bet half pot, I think for a while then fold.
: Any comments?
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B*********s
发帖数: 4158 | 3 A may also a good card for me. 不过确实不应该call 4-bet,就算是flush来了，imp
lied odds估计也不大
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: if you don't fold pre..., why fold at flop, if you think he 100% has Aces,
: why you call his 4-bet? u wish to flop sth like KKx or a flush/flush draw?
:
: histo
: Sinc
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 if you don't go broke with TPTK with AK post flop, then you should not
calling that big 4 bet at all preflop. You can either fold or 5 bet shove
him. |
G********r
发帖数: 666 | 5 Either fold PREFLOP if you believed your opponent had AA/KK, or shove on
that flop if you gave him a lower range. What flops were you hoping for
after calling a solid player's 4 bet preflop, if you intended to fold on a
King rag-rag board? |
s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 6 I bet that flop if yours
histo
Sinc
【在 B*********s 的大作中提到】
: 25NL, Vallain: 12/9 never had a single 3-bet or 4-bet based on 50 hand histo
: ry. both hero and vallian deep stack.
: hero MP pocket AKs
: utg raise to $0.75, hero 3-bet to $2.50, utg 4-bet to $6.25
: Based on vallain's data. I was seriously thinking about folding my AKs. Sinc
: e my AK is suited and I'm in position, I dicided to call and see flop.
: Flop Kxx no flush draw for me.
: utg bet half pot, I think for a while then fold.
: Any comments?
|
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 7 5 bet all in to fold out KK preflop is what a pro would do. |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 but I think 5 bet all in with A2s is better than AKs because with AK you have a
blocker on Ks which you try to fold out. |
G********r
发帖数: 666 | 9 5bet AK/s is an great but advanced move. However, will an opponent playing
25NL have the discipline to fold KK?
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 5 bet all in to fold out KK preflop is what a pro would do.
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 No
playing
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: 5bet AK/s is an great but advanced move. However, will an opponent playing
: 25NL have the discipline to fold KK?
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 11 why you sure folding kk is good (since you refer it as discipline)
playing
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: 5bet AK/s is an great but advanced move. However, will an opponent playing
: 25NL have the discipline to fold KK?
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W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 It is a level..
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: why you sure folding kk is good (since you refer it as discipline)
:
: playing
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 13 What Windstormm was talking bout was a 2nd and 3rd level thinking strategy applied extensively by pros playing at higher stakes, where players are generally better in putting a range to opponents' holdings, and therefore are capable of making huge laydowns. Such advanced strategies do not work on 25,50NL or 1-2 live.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: why you sure folding kk is good (since you refer it as discipline)
:
: playing
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 lol, thanks for teaching
still, why you sure folding KK is a good move , even in NL25
applied extensively by pros playing at higher stakes, where players are
generally better in putting a range to opponents' holdings, and therefore
are capable of making huge la
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: What Windstormm was talking bout was a 2nd and 3rd level thinking strategy applied extensively by pros playing at higher stakes, where players are generally better in putting a range to opponents' holdings, and therefore are capable of making huge laydowns. Such advanced strategies do not work on 25,50NL or 1-2 live.
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 15 梨叔太客气了, 不是teaching, 是互相交流看法切磋进步.
preflop折KK是higher stake, deeper stack时面对solid player全进时的纪律。
Windstormm的preflop 5 bet Ax/s的pro bet也是针对于此的高级move。在２５NL上，
面对全进可以说几乎没有人preflop折JJ甚至AK以上的牌，因此想５bet的没必要采取一些具有针对性
质的高级策略,被５bet的没必要也折KK, just call away ...
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: lol, thanks for teaching
: still, why you sure folding KK is a good move , even in NL25
:
: applied extensively by pros playing at higher stakes, where players are
: generally better in putting a range to opponents' holdings, and therefore
: are capable of making huge la
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f*f
发帖数: 121 | 16 I got AKo the other day 200bb deep at 5/10,
Opp raise --- I am happy
3bet to 110
opp 4bet to 220 --- I am v happy
I 5bet to 480
opp 6bet allin for 1600 more
now I am a little worried, click option, reload 2k, call
opponent show AJo and didn't suck out. :) |
W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 17 赞"click option, reload 2k, call".. lol |
f*f
发帖数: 121 | 18 I usually just play ak like AA, except I don't slowplay it preflop, but I
can do that because I play a lot of other hands aggressively preflop, even
deep stack, if you fold AQ type of hand to me preflop, it probably would be
a mistake in the long run |
G********r
发帖数: 666 | 19 牛
【在 f*f 的大作中提到】
: I got AKo the other day 200bb deep at 5/10,
: Opp raise --- I am happy
: 3bet to 110
: opp 4bet to 220 --- I am v happy
: I 5bet to 480
: opp 6bet allin for 1600 more
: now I am a little worried, click option, reload 2k, call
: opponent show AJo and didn't suck out. :)
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f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 20 well, for him, i'd say that's why $50K/month is not a legend but real, haha.
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: 牛
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c****1
发帖数: 457 | 21 agree Li Shu's reply. If you are so sure he holds AA, dont call pre.
considering he might have QQ JJ TT and make the c-bet move here( which you
dont have history information to judge here), you should call.
histo
Sinc
【在 B*********s 的大作中提到】
: 25NL, Vallain: 12/9 never had a single 3-bet or 4-bet based on 50 hand histo
: ry. both hero and vallian deep stack.
: hero MP pocket AKs
: utg raise to $0.75, hero 3-bet to $2.50, utg 4-bet to $6.25
: Based on vallain's data. I was seriously thinking about folding my AKs. Sinc
: e my AK is suited and I'm in position, I dicided to call and see flop.
: Flop Kxx no flush draw for me.
: utg bet half pot, I think for a while then fold.
: Any comments?
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p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 22 where is the deeper stack? I thought we are discussing that hand, not some
artificial hand which someone imagined
一些具有针对性
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: 梨叔太客气了, 不是teaching, 是互相交流看法切磋进步.
: preflop折KK是higher stake, deeper stack时面对solid player全进时的纪律。
: Windstormm的preflop 5 bet Ax/s的pro bet也是针对于此的高级move。在２５NL上，
: 面对全进可以说几乎没有人preflop折JJ甚至AK以上的牌，因此想５bet的没必要采取一些具有针对性
: 质的高级策略,被５bet的没必要也折KK, just call away ...
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G********r
发帖数: 666 | 23 lol...
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: where is the deeper stack? I thought we are discussing that hand, not some
: artificial hand which someone imagined
:
: 一些具有针对性
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