s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 1 最近我又开始在网上打tourney，总是不能有突破. I can most time get above chip
average when half of players left. But after that point with blind raising,
and antes, I got tighter. If don't get really lucky plus couple bad beats,
I can't move up more and start to loose chips to ants. Most time have to
survive to money and finish one more level afterwoads. 各位高手有什么建议来
提高水平？ | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 (not a tourney 高手)
but your approach is kind of backward (But after that point with blind
raising, and antes, I got tighter). this stage is the most challenging part
for your read/aggression because stack/blinds ratio is getting lower, and
you have to steal/re-steal a lot to survive. there is simply no way you can
continue waiting for your good hands.
and, for MTTs, try to finish in money or close to final table is very weak,
because you only get decent money as top 5 or so, otherwise it's a waste of
time anyway to get your buy-in back or double it at most.
watch more MTTs, you'll see many ppl fight over little edge and make "crazy"
moves with hands that may surprise you by your "normal" standard.
chip
raising,
beats,
to
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 最近我又开始在网上打tourney，总是不能有突破. I can most time get above chip
: average when half of players left. But after that point with blind raising,
: and antes, I got tighter. If don't get really lucky plus couple bad beats,
: I can't move up more and start to loose chips to ants. Most time have to
: survive to money and finish one more level afterwoads. 各位高手有什么建议来
: 提高水平？
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 3 hehe, me either. I used to have had a couple of good finishes. Now play too
many
turbo and PLO, get too loose.
To get 3/4X up is easy to do at low stake. I can do it most of times.
When BB goes up to 300, it becomes tricky and hard to breath after one big
hand loss.
Most times it is about Table Image and Move. I have not done these well.
chip
raising,
beats,
to
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 最近我又开始在网上打tourney，总是不能有突破. I can most time get above chip
: average when half of players left. But after that point with blind raising,
: and antes, I got tighter. If don't get really lucky plus couple bad beats,
: I can't move up more and start to loose chips to ants. Most time have to
: survive to money and finish one more level afterwoads. 各位高手有什么建议来
: 提高水平？
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 4 I see. I need to find a balance between steal/resteal and being tight.
Tourney is fun for me because this is how I started to play poker. At that
time, I was worse with cash game than tourney for a long time. Now, I am
bad at both. MTTs are not good for making money, but still need more
practise for WSOP next year.
part
can
,
of
crazy"
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: (not a tourney 高手)
: but your approach is kind of backward (But after that point with blind
: raising, and antes, I got tighter). this stage is the most challenging part
: for your read/aggression because stack/blinds ratio is getting lower, and
: you have to steal/re-steal a lot to survive. there is simply no way you can
: continue waiting for your good hands.
: and, for MTTs, try to finish in money or close to final table is very weak,
: because you only get decent money as top 5 or so, otherwise it's a waste of
: time anyway to get your buy-in back or double it at most.
: watch more MTTs, you'll see many ppl fight over little edge and make "crazy"
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 5 “Now, I am bad at both.”
not really brother, and congs you stepped into the phase 2, "Know that you
don't know"
keep going, we will c | D*****A
发帖数: 551 | | c****1
发帖数: 457 | 7 tourney 是非常dynamic的。later stage和early stage感觉是完全不一样。 到后来，
一定要aggressive。 但是一定是controlled aggression。 这个control还是挺难练的
，要很多经验。人们常说"the line between the aggression and donkey move is
very thin"。 但是第一步一定要不能想赢怕输，要勇于pick up the right spot and
make a move.比如当别人raise 你的blinds，如果你有60-70%感觉认为他是在steal，
那你就要敢于3 bet， reraise。 如果你对他有read，认为他会fold to 3 bet, 那么2
,7 off suit 你都可以reraise。 flop 出来 rag，你认为对方是high cards， 时不时
你也要check raise bluff with nothing，或者float the flop and bet the turn.
反正第一步要感于move，当然有时候不work，然后慢慢总结，为什么不work，是纯运气
不好，还是自己made a bad move. 时间长了就能慢慢掌握了
chip
raising,
beats,
to
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: 最近我又开始在网上打tourney，总是不能有突破. I can most time get above chip
: average when half of players left. But after that point with blind raising,
: and antes, I got tighter. If don't get really lucky plus couple bad beats,
: I can't move up more and start to loose chips to ants. Most time have to
: survive to money and finish one more level afterwoads. 各位高手有什么建议来
: 提高水平？
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 "the line between the aggression and donkey move is
very thin"。
kao ,, 这是我常说的。。。 | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 9 I go play lower buy-in events, such as 1k or 2k. No plan for main event yet.
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 你想在ftp通过比赛去wsop，还是直接买入？
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 10 是啊，还得多练。controlled aggression.
and
，
么2
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: tourney 是非常dynamic的。later stage和early stage感觉是完全不一样。 到后来，
: 一定要aggressive。 但是一定是controlled aggression。 这个control还是挺难练的
: ，要很多经验。人们常说"the line between the aggression and donkey move is
: very thin"。 但是第一步一定要不能想赢怕输，要勇于pick up the right spot and
: make a move.比如当别人raise 你的blinds，如果你有60-70%感觉认为他是在steal，
: 那你就要敢于3 bet， reraise。 如果你对他有read，认为他会fold to 3 bet, 那么2
: ,7 off suit 你都可以reraise。 flop 出来 rag，你认为对方是high cards， 时不时
: 你也要check raise bluff with nothing，或者float the flop and bet the turn.
: 反正第一步要感于move，当然有时候不work，然后慢慢总结，为什么不work，是纯运气
: 不好，还是自己made a bad move. 时间长了就能慢慢掌握了
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 11 near bubble时呢？如果是big stack似乎怎么搞都行，但average或small stack呢？我
觉得其实有两个目标：一是进钱圈，二是build up chips and shoot for big win。如
果光是被动耗到进钱圈，往往也拿不到多少钱，不如利用别人的保守心态，对筹码类似
的人狂捞，注意避开超大和超小stack。
进了钱圈，貌似更难。。有人说最开始要保守，因为很多短筹的开始乱上，很快要出去
一批，等过了那时候再开始激进。但我觉得这在MTT里也有问题，因为payout structur
e太不平均了，刚进钱圈被淘汰和100人之后被淘汰没什么本质区别，不如稍微放开一点
，早点拼，否则到后面也不好捞了。
不知道对不对。
and
，
么2
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: tourney 是非常dynamic的。later stage和early stage感觉是完全不一样。 到后来，
: 一定要aggressive。 但是一定是controlled aggression。 这个control还是挺难练的
: ，要很多经验。人们常说"the line between the aggression and donkey move is
: very thin"。 但是第一步一定要不能想赢怕输，要勇于pick up the right spot and
: make a move.比如当别人raise 你的blinds，如果你有60-70%感觉认为他是在steal，
: 那你就要敢于3 bet， reraise。 如果你对他有read，认为他会fold to 3 bet, 那么2
: ,7 off suit 你都可以reraise。 flop 出来 rag，你认为对方是high cards， 时不时
: 你也要check raise bluff with nothing，或者float the flop and bet the turn.
: 反正第一步要感于move，当然有时候不work，然后慢慢总结，为什么不work，是纯运气
: 不好，还是自己made a bad move. 时间长了就能慢慢掌握了
| y********n
发帖数: 2063 | 12 near bubble时呢？如果是big stack似乎怎么搞都行，但average或small stack呢？-- |
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