W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 I lost couple pot, and stack was a little short 175$ stack or so.
I am at co with KsQs couple limpers to me, I raise it up to 12$, button
calls a 1 others called. pot is 38$. Button just got on the table, so no
read,
flop 10s8s4h
I have flush draw + back door straight draws.
ep check i bet 25$, button raise 75$. EP fold. to me.
What do I do here? i have 140$ left.
I think this is pretty straight forward with some EV calculation. Shove or fold. | c****1
发帖数: 457 | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 I shoved. I thought it was a no-brainer. but then i did some ev calculation
fold -37$ ev
set
175-350$ *26% =-84$
straight
175-350$ * 37.88%=-42.42$
2 pair
175-350$ * 34.65%=-53$
1 pair
350*0.5434-175=15.19$
nut flush draw we are behind, if other draws, we are ahead.
Now the question is do you think he will raise here this big with a pair on
a weak tight live game?
It look like it is probably a fold vs a TAG live regular who rarely raise with a draw at this spot. Depending on read, the less likely someone will raise at this spot with draws and 1 paired hand, the better it is to lay it down. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 4 不算不知道, 一算吓一跳~~~~
I didn't include fold equity. But i think we overestimating our fold equity
too much at this spot. with the stack size after that raising, our fold
equity is practically zero. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 5 完了，你太学究了。
如果你一年玩50次live，打1万把，或者你很了解live里面的某个对手，算算EV倒也不
错。
而这里，just let it go。
equity
have better ev than him going all in 1 pair.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 不算不知道, 一算吓一跳~~~~
: I didn't include fold equity. But i think we overestimating our fold equity
: too much at this spot. with the stack size after that raising, our fold
: equity is practically zero.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 6 这种东西你仔细想想几分钟的事，长期可以帮你挣很多钱。。这牌如果你有read, 对手
加注基本是2 pair +, 你这个all in 的move lose you 5$-50$. 你打一个session,
多做几个这种-ev 的move, 长期怎么行？ 其实live read 还是不难。。 几手牌就可以
看出对手是不是那中会top pair 就go crazy的人。。对某些人绝对可以shove,, 对某
些人还是fold 比较好。。 | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 7 教科书般的例子，有个疑问
flop上的ev是不是应该去除之前你贡献到pot的金额
即只拿你手上的140来算投入获得期望
anyways 这个shove还是看上去减ev的 除非你有对手的额外信息 just my 2c |
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