P*****s
发帖数: 393 | 1 Last saturday, 1-2 table, $300 max buy in, 10 players, tight table execept
for two players. I was on big blind. One of the two agressive guys raised to
$10, four calls. I re-raised to $35 with 5,6 suited. All fold except for
the original raiser, who lost several hands recently down from $1600 to
about $800. I had about $1500 chips.
Flop 5,3,7 rainbow.
I made a continuous bet $60, He instantly calls.
Turn to another 7.No flush draw available.
I made another $80 bet. He thinked a little bit then made a huge raise, $200
on top. I spent a few time to think and raised him all in.
He instantly fold to this pot. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 super deep and so aggressive, zan!
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200
【在 P*****s 的大作中提到】
: Last saturday, 1-2 table, $300 max buy in, 10 players, tight table execept
: for two players. I was on big blind. One of the two agressive guys raised to
: $10, four calls. I re-raised to $35 with 5,6 suited. All fold except for
: the original raiser, who lost several hands recently down from $1600 to
: about $800. I had about $1500 chips.
: Flop 5,3,7 rainbow.
: I made a continuous bet $60, He instantly calls.
: Turn to another 7.No flush draw available.
: I made another $80 bet. He thinked a little bit then made a huge raise, $200
: on top. I spent a few time to think and raised him all in.
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | | p******e
发帖数: 327 | 4 Great move! $80 bet to ~$230 pot on turn made him think your hand is not
strong. This might induced his $200 raise??
I think he might have a pair? 88,99 or even 1010?
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200
【在 P*****s 的大作中提到】
: Last saturday, 1-2 table, $300 max buy in, 10 players, tight table execept
: for two players. I was on big blind. One of the two agressive guys raised to
: $10, four calls. I re-raised to $35 with 5,6 suited. All fold except for
: the original raiser, who lost several hands recently down from $1600 to
: about $800. I had about $1500 chips.
: Flop 5,3,7 rainbow.
: I made a continuous bet $60, He instantly calls.
: Turn to another 7.No flush draw available.
: I made another $80 bet. He thinked a little bit then made a huge raise, $200
: on top. I spent a few time to think and raised him all in.
| n***a
发帖数: 274 | 5 doesn't instant fold indicate a bluff? | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 6 beyond my level +1
能说说你中间的思想分析么，最后这个allin是怎么决定的 | P*****s
发帖数: 393 | 7 he only raised preflop $10 and called my $25 raise. he probably only have
two high cards or a middle pair 10s or 99s. And 4 other tight player called
$10 raise and folded $35 bet, they probably had high cards (10-A) in hand
and folded. So I was pretty confortable with my 5,6 suited. And he probably
put me as High Pair or AK AQ. At flop, he called my continuous bet $60 on
flop. This indicated that he might have a over pair besides the hands above.
On the turn, he raised $200 more when I bet $80. If he had a high pair, I
think he would be very confortable just snap calling the $80 no matter I
really had a high pair or just bluffing because there is no flush draw
available. The same for 10s and 9s.
The only scenario he could raise was that he had 33s, 55s, or 77s. I noticed
this guy usually will bet more than $10 when he had a pocket pair. And 77s
hit the quads at the turn. It was very low chance for him to have a pair 7
in hand. Most likely he had 2 high cards and saw I bet only $80, showing
some weakness, then he bluffed at turn.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: beyond my level +1
: 能说说你中间的思想分析么，最后这个allin是怎么决定的
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 He is not Reping 33 55 77. He is only Reping 7x which he would never fold
with if he had it.
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发帖数: 1500 | 9 i am wondering too, if he has 7x, then zest la vie?
and what exact did you represent when you shove? | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 He is Reping over played big pair with which he is willing to pay off to any
better hand.
i am wondering too, if he has 7x, then zest la vie?and what exact did you
represent when........
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【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: i am wondering too, if he has 7x, then zest la vie?
: and what exact did you represent when you shove?
| | | P*****s
发帖数: 393 | 11 That has been ruled out at pre-flop. That player is agrresive but not donkey
. He raised $10 right behind me and call $35.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: i am wondering too, if he has 7x, then zest la vie?
: and what exact did you represent when you shove?
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 12 if you have a7s or 78s 67s, would you bet 10 and call 35 and call that flop
cbet in position? were you small blind or big blind? | P*****s
发帖数: 393 | 13 it depends on the position, my potsize, and who is in the pot. In his
position, right after blind, i am not going to play with 7,8.
flop
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: if you have a7s or 78s 67s, would you bet 10 and call 35 and call that flop
: cbet in position? were you small blind or big blind?
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 14 Nice play.
$35 seems not enough to squeeze people out. I would prefer 45-50
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200
【在 P*****s 的大作中提到】
: Last saturday, 1-2 table, $300 max buy in, 10 players, tight table execept
: for two players. I was on big blind. One of the two agressive guys raised to
: $10, four calls. I re-raised to $35 with 5,6 suited. All fold except for
: the original raiser, who lost several hands recently down from $1600 to
: about $800. I had about $1500 chips.
: Flop 5,3,7 rainbow.
: I made a continuous bet $60, He instantly calls.
: Turn to another 7.No flush draw available.
: I made another $80 bet. He thinked a little bit then made a huge raise, $200
: on top. I spent a few time to think and raised him all in.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 Agree. In deep stack cash game, most pro do 4-5 times 3 betting size.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Nice play.
: $35 seems not enough to squeeze people out. I would prefer 45-50
:
: to
: 200
| P*****s
发帖数: 393 | 16 Agree. $50 could win the preflop directly.
【在 g**s 的大作中提到】
: Nice play.
: $35 seems not enough to squeeze people out. I would prefer 45-50
:
: to
: 200
| G********r
发帖数: 666 | 17 this one is incredibly awesome! | c****1
发帖数: 457 | 18 Can your $800 effective stack raise let him fold a better hand such 99+?
Your read said he probably didnt have the pocket high pair. Can your raise
get any value from a worse hand? very unlikely he called with 33 or 44. And
the risk you bear is that he might have A7s, or 78s. In that case, you lose
$800 for sure.
So, by shoving that hand with certain value. you
1) lose the oppurtunity to give your opponent a rope to hand himself on
river (some value from your opponent's bluff on river)
2) bear a significant risk, $800
In my opinion, the only benefit from raising is protecting your hand from
the river outdrawn. the only scary card is an ace on river.
So overall, if I had position, i definitely wouldnt shove there. As you
played in big blind. I am not sure shove is +EV
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200
【在 P*****s 的大作中提到】
: Last saturday, 1-2 table, $300 max buy in, 10 players, tight table execept
: for two players. I was on big blind. One of the two agressive guys raised to
: $10, four calls. I re-raised to $35 with 5,6 suited. All fold except for
: the original raiser, who lost several hands recently down from $1600 to
: about $800. I had about $1500 chips.
: Flop 5,3,7 rainbow.
: I made a continuous bet $60, He instantly calls.
: Turn to another 7.No flush draw available.
: I made another $80 bet. He thinked a little bit then made a huge raise, $200
: on top. I spent a few time to think and raised him all in.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 终于有个明白人.
这里应该可以fold 掉88-JJ, 不过对手只有特别烂才会raise fold 这些牌.就算他们会这样打, 加上way behind 和drawing dead 的calling range, 这个shove也是得不偿失的(A.K.A. -ev).
It is usually not a good idea to shove a weaker range into opponents' strong perceived range when you can not even rep a stronger hand, because there is no value in it and you can not bluff either. You are shoving your hand into a perceived range of 7x+ which he would never fold. The strongest hand you can rep is AA.
And
lose
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: Can your $800 effective stack raise let him fold a better hand such 99+?
: Your read said he probably didnt have the pocket high pair. Can your raise
: get any value from a worse hand? very unlikely he called with 33 or 44. And
: the risk you bear is that he might have A7s, or 78s. In that case, you lose
: $800 for sure.
: So, by shoving that hand with certain value. you
: 1) lose the oppurtunity to give your opponent a rope to hand himself on
: river (some value from your opponent's bluff on river)
: 2) bear a significant risk, $800
: In my opinion, the only benefit from raising is protecting your hand from
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 20 +1.
He is most likely to call with 88-jj on the turn and raise with trips/
full house or total air. You 250BB+ shove on the turn will only make total
airball to fold. Holding trip 7s is definately a possibility there and he
would not lay that down often.
I hate this play from risk/reward point view as well.
会这样打, 加上way behind 和drawing dead 的calling range, 这个shove也是得不偿
失的(A.K.A. -ev).
strong perceived range when you can not even rep a stronger hand, because
there is no value in it and you can not bluff either. You are shoving your
hand into a perceived range of 7x+ which he would never fold. The strongest
hand you can rep is AA.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 终于有个明白人.
: 这里应该可以fold 掉88-JJ, 不过对手只有特别烂才会raise fold 这些牌.就算他们会这样打, 加上way behind 和drawing dead 的calling range, 这个shove也是得不偿失的(A.K.A. -ev).
: It is usually not a good idea to shove a weaker range into opponents' strong perceived range when you can not even rep a stronger hand, because there is no value in it and you can not bluff either. You are shoving your hand into a perceived range of 7x+ which he would never fold. The strongest hand you can rep is AA.
:
: And
: lose
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